I don't mean this in a argumentative or offensive way, but don't you find it ironic that men are basically in charge of the world, throughout history have been responsible for war, genocide, rape, murder, countless deaths through domestic abuse and yet more women will be going to hell essentially because they aren't grateful enough to men?
No offence to the many perfectly lovely men out there either!
Yes, but who will be victorious before the Day of Judgment???
The Muslims
Many Non-Muslim members here are asking questions to what they don't understand or know little of. All we can do is refer sources, provide information from reliable sources and aid them in any way that we can.
And only knows every single person's intentions and thoughts, so let's be trusting.
Who will be better off if these questions have a negative intent behind them (which I don't think is the case) and they've failed to gain the negative purpose they've set out to accomplish?
We will be as we've tried to help and provide information, there is no harm in answering questions or providing help.
Have a little faith
Ma Salama
agreed, the world remains fixed until you break it.
Many a time limited human sense doesn't make sense.
It makes sense to submit our sense to Allah and His Prophet [pbuh]
If any Muslim here has felt ironic even a little bit at what the Final Prophet (peace be upon him) has said....then I strongly suggest that person to seek forgiveness.
"Whoever takes knowledge from books loses the regulations."
(man akhadha al-`ilma min al-kutubi Dayya`a al-aHkaama). [Reported by Nawawi in the introduction to "al-Majmu"]
Yes, but who will be victorious before the Day of Judgment???
The Muslims
Many Non-Muslim members here are asking questions to what they don't understand or know little of. All we can do is refer sources, provide information from reliable sources and aid them in any way that we can.
And only knows every single person's intentions and thoughts, so let's be trusting.
Who will be better off if these questions have a negative intent behind them (which I don't think is the case) and they've failed to gain the negative purpose they've set out to accomplish?
We will be as we've tried to help and provide information, there is no harm in answering questions or providing help.
Have a little faith
Ma Salama
I'd do that in private, I have done it before, Alhamdulillah, but I'd never give them a public platform, the reason being there are many Muslim youngsters who log on here. I'm just worried about my own people.
We lost Muslims too, in Spain, to Christianity. You know.
Imam ash-Shafi`i said:
"Whoever takes knowledge from books loses the regulations."
(man akhadha al-`ilma min al-kutubi Dayya`a al-aHkaama). [Reported by Nawawi in the introduction to "al-Majmu"]
The number of stereotypes filling the thread is just piling up, isn't it?
I've never thought about that before. There are more women than men in the world overall, aren't there?
Violent actions, eh? You know who holds the all time world record for the highest number of people murdered by a single human being? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't a man.
Her name was Elizabeth Bathory, and she killed (count 'em) six-hundred-and-twelve different people--so that she could bathe in their blood.
How many people have I killed?
Maybe, just maybe, we should start thinking in terms of individuals.
Maybe, just maybe, you should start thinking of your own future. We're alive for only a few decades and dead for a very, very long time afterward, aren't we?
Peace be to any prophets I may have mentioned above. Praised and exalted be my Maker, if I have mentioned Him. (Come to think of it praise Him anyway.)
don't you find it ironic that men are basically in charge of the world, throughout history have been responsible for war, genocide, rape, murder, countless deaths through domestic abuse
Hi, actually no it's not ironic. Truth is women can be just as ruthless criminals as men can. Gender politics doesn't really improve anything. It just creates a shapeshifting ground battle for people who are interested in discussing this matter. Women particpate in war too, they also indulge in other things including domestic abuse. We cannot hold accountable everyone who belongs to acertain group as guilty merely because they happen to to be of the same gender. Everyone will be held for their individual actions and not collective actions done by other people. God is just. When we focus on these kind of disputed Hadeeths it distracts our attention from what we have been commanded to obey and that is worshipping God sincerely. We must not get preoccupied with these kinds of subjects they emotionally provoke us to doubt and question our faith; keep in mind God is always just and if we believe that then we must only worry on our part of the equation i.e. what we do more than worrying about the way He will judge in the end.
Bro, most rulers in the middle east lack the extensive PR machinery that the millionaires / billionaires in the west have got, if you think that guys in the west do charity for the sake of charity, then you are wrong, its just a front for christian missionaries, plus you should research the practice of pedophilia that gets on in south west Asia.
Just the tip of the iceberg.
Even if the oil sheikhs do get in to sleaze, its because there is still some semblance of modesty in their countries while in the west, women are commodities and they don't know it.
Western rich people can be worse I know, because corporations and bankers Benefit off of the poor. That is why people protest occupy wall street because they are greed. And that is why i want to move to UK or something, but I'm grateful for some freedoms that some countries don't have.
This is the only forum where I come across many non-Muslim posters
Are you implying that there's something wrong with that? We've got many of non Muslim members who bring a lot to discussions, and that's more than you can say about some of our Muslim regulars. LauraS in particular hasn't really ever been inappropriate in her time here, from what I can remember anyway.
I had forgotten all about that exegesis, Ariadne. Thank you for that.
Peace be to any prophets I may have mentioned above. Praised and exalted be my Maker, if I have mentioned Him. (Come to think of it praise Him anyway.)
That hadith is beautiful cause it has amazing reminders which are directed for us females (cause those misdeeds mentioned in the hadith conected to us more than men); He The Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has been sent to teach us the religion of God which commanding us of the good deeds, good manners and to leave sins which make us fall easily in satan's web then with him to hellfire.....
sweet sister; if you would walk in some road which is so dangerous and may lose your life at it's end; wouldn't you want those who know that road very well to warn ya? or is it allright for them to stand a side watching ya going to your death while they are saying nothing? (Would not it be a mean and brutal action of them?)
And this is what The Prophet Muhammad The Master of all Creatures (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was trying to do; reminding us to save us from such end sweetie
This Is not anyone who taught us this dear and precious hadith that was a Prophet of God who took all what he taught us from God:
"By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes). (1)Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. (2)Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. (3)It is only an Inspiration that is inspired. (4) " Surat Annajm
"Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I don't tell you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor (that) I know the unseen; nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me by inspiration." Say: "Are the blind and the one who sees equal? will you not then take thought?"(50) Surat Al An'aam
And those women who heard him; did they object and say : No, this is not fair....of course not; one of them asked why; to know the reasons and how to avoid that manifest loss and they right away have given what they had in charity.do you know why? cause those women (May Allah Be pleased with them) have understood his message (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and this is how people of understanding and live hearts act right after hearing any commandment, reminder and advice from their God through His prophets and messengers (peace and blessings of Allah be uopn them all); they act upon them and put them into effect; wasting not time with nonsense which will only throw us in hellfire; tasting it's severe torments. O Allah I seek refuge with You Most Merciful from hellfire for me and my Ummah Ameeen
"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error. (36)" Surat Al Ah'zaab
May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless true happiness Ameeen
In that case, you're just assuming that women commit less sin than men or less 'serious' sin than men.
I could just as easily say it's women who are more likely to backbite, feel jealous, seduce men, cast evil eye and influence men around them into committing really serious sins like murder, war, genocide (the Lady Macbeths of the world). So, the doer might be the man, but the influencer and originator can easily be the woman.
However, there's no point: Just know, that on the day of judgement, there will be total justice. Allah is not unjust. If there will be more women in hell than men, then that will have been as a result of their own doing and not due to any injustice on the part of Allah.
I don't mean this in a argumentative or offensive way, but don't you find it ironic that men are basically in charge of the world, throughout history have been responsible for war, genocide, rape, murder, countless deaths through domestic abuse and yet more women will be going to hell essentially because they aren't grateful enough to men?
No offence to the many perfectly lovely men out there either!
Where's the irony? The real irony is in feminism giving women the promise of liberation from a man's oppression, yet in its implementation women become iniquitous in their attitudes, understanding and approach.
The gratitude isn't meant to be for every single man, it's specifically referring to a woman's attitude and behaviour towards her husband. It's because of the ingratitude towards their husbands that more women will be in hell fire than men.
The husband being oppressive and abusive is a separate issue as the act of gratitude is a general command.
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And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
I don't mean this in a argumentative or offensive way, but don't you find it ironic that men are basically in charge of the world, throughout history have been responsible for war, genocide, rape, murder, countless deaths through domestic abuse and yet more women will be going to hell essentially because they aren't grateful enough to men?
No offence to the many perfectly lovely men out there either!
Both genders are capable of doing terrible things. =) Read about Condoleeza Rice and Meyra Wurmser.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
My dear LauraS this is the point says it all, from Brother Alpha Dude.
It's not so easy for a non-Muslim to just accept everything will be made right on judgement day. But thank you for polite replies.
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I read the title of this thread and then looked at the name of the author, it could've only been that person.
lol this made made me laugh, yes that's me...always finding things ironic?
Don't get me wrong Guestfellow I know there are/have been some evil women out there and I know all about the woman who killed people to bathe in their blood. It's just for the majority of time men have been in control of the world and the women in it and have often abused that control. I was just musing and when I first read this I couldn't help thinking, well it's pretty much a male dominated religion, of course they'll say more women were seen in hell than men. I know in Islam it's said women should be treated kindly but I also saw another quote that was something about no human should have to prostrate before another but if they were to a woman should prostrate before her husband because God has given him so many rights.
It just feels that, not just in Islam- this can include Christianity,- it says women should be cherished but there's another side that seems to portray them as evil and weak.
lol this made made me laugh, yes that's me...always finding things ironic?
Avoid responding to posts like...waaaaah this person no agree with me! WAAAAAAAH THIS PERSON IS TROLL! These people cannot engage in an intellectual discussion! *ruffles feathers*
Don't get me wrong Guestfellow I know there are/have been some evil women out there and I know all about the woman who killed people to bathe in their blood. It's just for the majority of time men have been in control of the world and the women in it and have often abused that control. I was just musing and when I first read this I couldn't help thinking, well it's pretty much a male dominated religion, of course they'll say more women were seen in hell than men. I know in Islam it's said women should be treated kindly but I also saw another quote that was something about no human should have to prostrate before another but if they were to a woman should prostrate before her husband because God has given him so many rights.
It just feels that, not just in Islam- this can include Christianity,- it says women should be cherished but there's another side that seems to portray them as evil and weak.
What do you mean by a male dominated religion?
Majority of the time? I doubt it. There have been female rulers in the past.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
We've given you plenty of good answers already and you seem to be ignoring them.
"It's not so easy"...well, I imagine not. Let's cut to the chase: what would make it easy for you to trust in Allah? Is there any theoretical scenario in which you could see yourself agreeing with Islam? Don't tell me it's primarily about gender issues. There must be something bigger.
Peace be to any prophets I may have mentioned above. Praised and exalted be my Maker, if I have mentioned Him. (Come to think of it praise Him anyway.)
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