It is not a war against Islam or anything but this is resident evil, the player is stepping on the quran here, there was another one where the Quran is in the bathroom it was posted before I don't know what the game is, please boycott these games and complain!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I also recall a (minor) uproar about Call of Duty Modern Warfare (I can't remember which one - there's so many and they all suck - as FPS and games!), with God's name being on a frame print which happened to be in a bathroom. That's where the internet story stops, cue uprorar.
But here's the actual context: that bathroom was located in one of many houses that a player can enter on a game map that is set in the middle east! Again, I guarantee you this is the exact same case as with Tekken - the graphich designers for that level were looking for authentic Middle Eastern design styles given that's where the level was set, found one that fit and boom, picture frame. Any offence caused is more out of ignorance as opposed to out and right crystal clear anti-islamic sentiments, especially given the actual context. What you should be complaining about is how modern military fps games desensitize people to violence...and also how bad they are both as video games and FPS's in general.
If game developers really wanted to show anti-islamic sentiments, I guarantee you it would be a lot more blatant and overt than a mere graphic that happens to have God's name on it, located in extremely obscure places, that happened to be set in Muslim locales/buildings.
Well, I have played all of COD games and i know the game has some propaganda sentiment. Because in almost every COD: modern warfare game you have either to kill russians or arabs. So wether this was a mistake or not, the games do have a pro-US agenda to demonize and potray the US opponents in the region as the enemy. In battlefield we go even further with potraying both russia and china as mortal enemies including the persians. In the beginning of the battlefield era (I recall Bf2) you had the MEC as the enemy (Middle eastern coalition backed by Russia and china), which actually pointed out to a couple of united muslim countries (caliphate) who see the US as their enemy, so you as US soldier 'need' to go invade their countries. So I dont think its nonsense anymore that these games do have a agenda in them, but this is mainly about the FPS war-shooters.
I dont think Resident evil has a certain agenda attached to it aside from gore, horror stuff.
format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab
If game developers really wanted to show anti-islamic sentiments, I guarantee you it would be a lot more blatant and overt than a mere graphic that happens to have God's name on it, located in extremely obscure places, that happened to be set in Muslim locales/buildings.
not really, because this would lead to uproar and make them lose money in any way, so the best way is to engineer it and doing it clever, but wether your conscience allows it or not, the COD games and other shooters have a pro-US agenda attached to it. The games only strenghten the media claims and objectives, to submit your mind to governments wants and needs. 'You are a american patriot so you need to kill sandn*ggers, chinkies or commies'
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I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground. - Umar ibn khattab(Ra)
Maybe the software company should actually learn something about Middle Eastern culture before they make a game about it.
What if someone goes to teach them something about the Middle East cultures? They might not want to make game what insults one the most common religion of the world.
They might know nothing about it before someone goes to tell it to them?
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
...[snip]
not really, because this would lead to uproar and make them lose money in any way,
Yes really given both COD and Battlefield (games that you used in your example of being overt in their bias/anti-muslim agenda) have sold millions.
so the best way is to engineer it and doing it clever,
By being massively overt and having the main antagonist Muslims/Arabs? Or by having the word Allah in arabic on a picture frame that happens to be in a bathroom of a house located in a middle eastern setting? In the first case, it's overt. And not clever. In the second case it's not even an agenda, it's ignorance as my previous post already explained.
but wether your conscience allows it or not, the COD games and other shooters have a pro-US agenda attached to it.
Most modern military FPS are going to have some inherent form of "pro-US agenda" given that the protagonist is working for the US gov'ment/military!
Also this apparent bias does not equate to war on Islam.
The games only strenghten the media claims and objectives, to submit your mind to governments wants and needs. 'You are a american patriot so you need to kill sandn*ggers, chinkies or commies'
I agree. My whole point initially was some people would rather get offense by a game texture rather than the fact that certain games are little more than army recruitment tools.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Yes really given both COD and Battlefield (games that you used in your example of being overt in their bias/anti-muslim agenda) have sold millions.
Doesnt matter if they are sold millions, some people are pretty aware of the agenda of such games and yet still buy it, some think its just for fun by playing with mates and some even dont realize it.
format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab
By being massively overt and having the main antagonist Muslims/Arabs? Or by having the word Allah in arabic on a picture frame that happens to be in a bathroom of a house located in a middle eastern setting? In the first case, it's overt. And not clever. In the second case it's not even an agenda, it's ignorance as my previous post already explained.
The first thing is clever, but you realize it, millions of people dont. They just think 'oh its a game' while they dont realize that it strenghtens the imperialistic agenda of the United States.
format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab
Most modern military FPS are going to have some inherent form of "pro-US agenda" given that the protagonist is working for the US gov'ment/military!
Also this apparent bias does not equate to war on Islam.
You are actually in agreement with me on this one while you dont realize it yet. The Pro-US agenda is actually to get rid of israel's enemies in the region which are the arabs, mainly in surrounding countries, however other superpowers have a stake in the middle east as well, like russia and china both in iran and syria, russia actually has a base there. I dont think they will appreciate the US getting rid of their contacts in region (Saddam, gadaffi, Assad) so therefore the US labels them as enemies as well, the US doesnt want china nor Russia to expand their powers because this means they will have a huge concurrent. These are power games but there is only one thing they all agree on - corrupting the arabs/muslims, and prevent the rise of a legimate islamic government at all cost. Since all those powers adopt secularism, however they can ally with mujahideen in the region like what happened with the US-mujahideen alliance in afghanistan against the soviets.
Why do you think the US is eager to let the destruction in syria going on? invaded iraq and destroyed it, invaded afghanistan destroyed it, same case with libya. And now currently they are preparing plans to invade syria which will lead no doubt to a new world war, completely according to zionist interests.
Sorry to say but this is a clear war on islam, why do you think most muslim countries are poor, in chaos and destruction? I dont say its the only fault of the west because its our own fault as well, by chasing dunya sadly, exactly what this hadith is talking about:
Book 37, Number 4284: Narrated Thawban:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.[Sunan Abu Dawood]
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Something to ponder about and what is currently happening
The War and Sanctions on Iraq, Syria, and in Future Egypt - as foretold in Hadith
With what has been transpiring in Iraq, and now Syria - it is extremely sad that the Muslim Ummah is SLEEP WALKING from one disaster into another - without paying much attention to what has been foretold to us in Ahadeeth and without realizing that Taaghooti forces are conveniently PLAYING our differences and Perceived fault-lines while the vast majority of the Ummah are getting exploited resulting in thousands of Muslims getting killed.
I encourage and invite all to go through some Ahadeeth and see for themselves what has been foretold and then put their hand on heart and ask themselves - if they want to be part of the problem - or part of the solution - a solution that unites and brings the ummah together - rather than cause its further destruction.
The following very interesting Hadith clearly foretold what is happening in Middle-East these days.
I first read the following hadith in Ibn'e Katheer's summary of Bidaya Wan Nihaya... but then on noted that it is from Sahih Muslim (as the original source).
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6923.
The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Hour
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as saying:
1. Iraq would withhold its dirhams and qafiz;
2. Syria would withhold its mudd and dinar and
3. Egypt would withhold its irdab and dinar and
4. You would recoil to that position from where you started and
(Repeated). You would recoil to that position from where you started and
(Repeated). You would recoil to that position from where you started,
5. The bones and the flesh of Abu Huraira would bear testimony to it.
Muslim: Book 41, Number 6961:
Abu Nadra reported: We were in the company of Jabir b. ‘Abdullah that he said:
“It may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams. We said, “Who would be responsible for it?” He said, “The non-Arabs would prevent them.” He again said,
“There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd.” We said, “Who would be responsible for it?” He said, “This prevention would be made by the Romans.” He (Jabir b. Abdullab) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) having said: “There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it”. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-’Ala, “DO you mean ‘Umar bin ‘Abd al-Aziz?” They said, “No (he would be Mehdi).”
When reading the above two ahadith together – it clearly explains what is happening in the Middle-East these days and who would be responsible for it.
Some research on this Hadith:
According to this Hadith - "sanctions" would be imposed on 3 countries in the Middle-East in specific order as mentioned in the Hadith:
1st Iraq, 2nd Syria, and finally 3rd Egypt.
Let us do some detailed evaluation of this Hadith.
The hadith above mentions – Dirham and Qafiz in reference to Iraq.
The Hadith says:
“Iraq would with hold its dirham and qafiz”
Dirham = Money (see below for details)
Qafiz = A Measure of Oil!
1 Dinar = Gold Coin weighing 72 grains of average barley. This is now calculated as: 4.45 gm of Gold.
1 Dirham = (7/10) = 0.7 Dinar. (i.e. Dirham is 70% of a Gold Dinar).
It should be noted that the word “Qafiz” has been used through history for a measure of oil! Because of the Arab influence over southern Italy the Sicilian language has also borrowed some words from Arabic. One such word is clearly from the Arabic “Qifaz” and that word in Sicilain language is “Cafisu” - (cafiso: measure of oil) - [Arabic: qafiz]
This means that the sanctions imposed on Iraq would be about “Money and Oil”. i.e. An economic sanction with holding Money and Oil. (Remember the UN sanctions on Iraq and the Oil for Food programme).
The Non-Arabs would prevent them
As the Hadith about Iraq sanctions mentions - "The Non-Arabs would prevent them" - meaning that generally the Arab population would not be in favour of the sanctions in Iraq and it would be implemented by groups of nations - mostly non Arabs (i.e. Western Powers + United Nation)
We now know as a fact that economic sanctions were imposed on Iraq - after which there was 1st Persian Gulf War and then a 2nd Persian Gulf War.
The Persian Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) commonly referred to as simply the Gulf War, was a war waged under the U.N. authorized coalition force from 34 nations led by the US and closely in cooperation with UK, against Iraq.
Duration of the Sanctions & War on Iraq
Sanctions were imposed (which can be seen in military terminology as a technique with the goal of “Softening up the Target”.
The war against Iraq started in August, 1990 – and ended in December, 2011 (although very strong foreign influences remain). The U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq was completed on December 18, 2011
Approximate Total time: Around 22-23 years. However – if you add the pre-war sanctions – the actual duration against Iraq is much longer. According to some estimates just the pre-war sanctions on Iraq were responsible for nearly 5 million deaths of children due to lack of medicine, medical supplies, and healthy nutrition.
The Number of Muslims Killed in Iraq
The result of the war on Iraq is clear. Although Saddam Hussain is gone – thousands upon thousands of Muslims have perished in this “foreign imposed war”.
A study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion (as of July 2006). Iraqis have continued to be killed since then.
The updated estimate as of 2012 is that more than a million Muslims died in Iraq. The estimate that over a million Muslims in Iraq have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in January 2008. Opinion Research Business estimated that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 was 1,033,000.
Syria would withhold its mudd and dinar ...
The Hadith mentions “Mudd and Dinar” in reference to Syria.
Mudd = typically used as a measure of Wheat, or more generally food (rice, wheat, barley, bread, etc). One Mudd is equated to ¾ of a kilogram, or sometimes as 708 grams. A mudd is a measure, commonly translated in today's terminology as a "Bushel"
This means that the sanctions imposed on Syria would be about Wheat and possibly general Food and (dinar) Money.
Further - the general food sanctions/witholding would be of a smaller nature compared to the sanctions imposed on Iraq (as Mudd refers to a small measure of general food items of around 708 grams).
Considering the sanctions on Syria - the hadith mentions “This prevention would be made by the Romans". Also please note that this time it was not mentioned that "The non-Arabs would prevent them" - this means that not just non-Arabs but even Arab government and population will be included in this.
This is clearly visible by the direct involvement of many Arab countries in the Middle-east such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Gulf Countries, and even “fighters” have poured in from as far as Tunisia and Libya.
This means that the key driver of sanctions against Syria would be present day Romans - i.e. Europeans and USA plus UK.
Considering what happened with Iraq - a similar fate seems to now be emerging as the expected outcome in Syria - resulting in war, then destruction of the country and finally withdrawal of occupation forces. Already nearly 80,000 plus Muslims have perished in this internal strife and war in Syria.
Considering that war in Syria started in 2012 – although without direct and visible involvement of “Roman” forces yet (no boots on the ground) - if we expect this to take around the same time as in Iraq, it may take potentially until 2012+22 = 2034.
Muslims should pray that insha Allah – that the situation in Syria does not drag out in a long drawn out war and would end quickly.
Egypt would with hold its irdab and dinar and
Taking the hadith to its logical conclusion - we can expect that after the conflict in Syria finishes - a situation similar to that which happened in Iraq / Syria - would finally happen in Egypt.
When Husni Mubarak was in power - I used to think how the west can be against Egypt - as Mubarak was their own man. However - as the "revolution" started and Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) started to come to power - it became clear to me that - this will happen after Ikhwan or may be a combination of "Islamist" parties stay in power for sometime in Egypt and start to change the policies - specially the policy of being friendly with Israel and blocking aid to Palestinians. Further imagine if the Islamic parties in Egypt rip apart the agreement signed with Israel about Sinai - and take ownership of Sinai - then - it will be considered as "open challenge" to Israel and the US and according to the current terms of agreement would be “an act of war”. Only Allah (swt) knows how the situation in Egypt would develop – however – already the “Islamist” parties have come to power in Egypt and already the relationship between Egypt and the Western Powers has changed.
The words used in reference with Egypt are Irdab and Dinar.
Irdab is a special measure especially related to Egypt.
1 Irdab = 73 KG (of Wheat)
When talking about grain - Irdab generally means wheat free from rubblish, dirt and the husks. More generally Irdab also refers to fruit in their dried state - such as dried dates and raisins.
Hence the economic sanctions against Egypt would impact dried fruits and wheat imports/exports and ofcourse dinar (money).
The present and future governments and citizens of Egypt - specially those who have any concern for the Muslims there - should take heed and start preparing for such eventuality by making sure that they can protect and defend themselves from certain onslaught that is to befall them in the future - as Hadith can never be wrong.
Finally the hadith mentions
you would recoil to that position from where you started and
you would recoil to that position from where you started and
you would recoil to that position from where you started,
It is good to remember that when Rasul Allah (saw) wanted to emphasize some pointso that those who listen - can memorize and pay special attention – he (saw) repeated in 3 times. Hence when we notice that this phrase is repeated 3 times - this is a sign that we should pay special attention and take heed/note.
"You would recoil to the position from where you started" to me means exactly what it says - that the muslims in various parts of the world - would recoil (i.e. return) to the position from where they started. This can most likely mean that muslims return to their places of origin - so the majority of muslims in non-muslim lands (like Muslims living in North America, and Europe) would potentially return to their land of origin in the Middle-East in great numbers. This would happen if the economic situation in these countries continue to deteriorate to the point that racism, islamophobia and islam bashing becomes common place and a muslim wearing islamic dress or a woman wearing Hijab or Niqab will be banned... early signs of all these have already started happening and I fear that this trend will only continue over time.
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I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground. - Umar ibn khattab(Ra)
After the fall of communism, Islam is the last obstacle in the capitalist free world way.. is really all there's to it. Does that mean every westerner is aware or even cares, no most people are sheeples anyway.. just reading deeply into Egyptian forums the past few weeks have opened my eyes to just how many fogged up people are out there, they're not religiously tuned, they're not politically aware and they can't tie things together, there are even druggies and morons amongst them who parrot things that are fed to them daily just as there are here and I think it is a global thing which is precisely why govt. take liberties because some people need a whip and need masters to guide the way and need to be pouring in half their life's work into someone else's pocket and that actually runs the social strata as I have seen very poor people economically and politically aware of course because the oppression bites them the worse, and some liberals to be the dumbest gits. And some of them do wake up when they start seeing their buddies getting lynched before their eyes and their programs stopped in the middle for not having the right reply or swerving from what was written out for them.
which is precisely why made seeking knowledge obligatory!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
This thread is revealing - not because it's talking about something important, but for exactly the opposite reason. It's so deeply and utterly trivial. This image is something that only a Muslim would notice to get offended by, in a game that a 'good' Muslim is not supposed to be playing in the first place. If this is supposed to be propaganda, it's lousy targeting.
Aamrisaab's analysis of how this incident came about is so vastly more probable than the 'conspiracy' alternative that I'm surprised even a die-hard conspiracist would want to place themselves on such weak ground by arguing the case for it. However, it's always revealing to look at things the other way round so let's just imagine it could be true for a moment:-
For this to be a deliberate insult, it involves compelling regular game design team members to choose this image. It must also involve their creative director and some management in approving and controlling. It's hard to see how any anti-islam organisation would even know this game was in progress - so that suggests you'd have to a permanent infiltrator in the production company (perhaps in a number of production companies to make it worthwhile). All this for a couple of incidents scattered over decades. Presumably, you would also have to have similar infiltrators in many other industries to make sense of the idea.
Graphic design teams tend to be unconventional people who are more likely to have a natural affinity with Julian Assange than the US President. Yet somehow this team has been co-opted into making anti Muslim propaganda, unlike anything else they have ever done in their lives. Yet miraculously, when these average guys are recruited, not one of them decides to refuse and blow the cover on what's happening.
All this risk in order to achieve...what? I can't see it advances any possible agenda in any worthwhile way versus the danger. The only measurable result will be to cost the production company sales and possibly get the creative director fired.
And what exactly are the risks? As with every one of these conspiracy stories, discovery spells utter catastrophe for the perpetrators. If this mythical anti Muslim organisation is discovered intervening even in this trivial way, their existence is uncovered. The inevitable investigations would lead to far more serious discoveries (the alleged control of governments). In countries like the US, the scale of their crime would make them eligible for the death penalty. At the very least, it would lead to the complete collapse of their entire agenda.
And all for what? A tiny aspect of one of many thousands of video games, which will be forgotten about in a matter of months? Get real.
If you believe this story, then truly, you'll believe anything.
In mid-2005, allegations of deliberate desecration of the Quran[3] in front of Muslim prisoners at the United States military Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Cuba fueled widespread controversy and led to ensuing Muslim riots. A US military investigation confirmed four instances of Quran desecration by US personnel (two of which were described as "unintentional"), and fifteen instances of desecration by Muslim prisoners.[5] According to CBC News, "The statement did not provide any explanation about why the detainees might have abused their own Holy books."[6] In May 2005, a report in Newsweek, claiming that it was U.S. interrogators who desecrated the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay base, further sparking Muslim unrest.
In February 2012, protests broke out in various parts of Afghanistan over the improper disposal of Qurans at the US military Bagram Air Base.[12] Protesters shouted "Death to America" and burned US flags. At least 30 people were killed and hundreds injured. Also 6 U.S. soldiers we killed after members of the Afghan National Security Forces turned their weapons on them and the Afghan protesters.
Boy, are you about to feel like an idiot. All these years you thought videogames were just another former of entertainment, created and designed by scores of talented, dedicated, hardworking artists and programmers. Now, that might still be true for non-violent games, but two German researchers say that violent games (and by extension the people who work on them) are government-sponsored death bringers, with direct ties to the Pentagon and U.S. military forces. Bet you didn’t see that one coming.
GamePolitics reports that these researchers have gone to great lengths to document the process by which military “killing simulators” found their way into living rooms all over the country, and the “havoc” said simulators have wrought on American society.
According to Renate and Rudi Hänsel:
“During the nineties, the killing simulators, employed for hand to hand combat in the U.S. army and police, were released by the Pentagon to be sold for private use on the public markets. As a consequence, the computer and video game industry that had co-operated with the Pentagon from the very beginning, boomed. Since then the so-called killer games have wreaked havoc among children and youths."
"The US army’s electronic training programs for killing people must be taken back to the US barracks, where they came from. They have to disappear from civil society altogether. They may be appropriate for the purpose of national defense or fight against crime; they have no place, however, in children’s rooms or in living rooms.”
....So there’s your videogame history lesson for the day. Now go forth, and every time you pick off some poor sap with a choice headshot in your favorite “killing simulator”, just think of Uncle Sam giving you a big thumbs up.
But as evidenced most recently by the Post, the military sees video games as serious business in shaping the larger politics and ideology of the national security state. That means along with questioning a certain game’s graphic nature or individual violence, we must also question whether we want video games being used by the Pentagon to promote the idea that society should deify, heroize and organize itself around the military — aka. the purveyor of institutional violence.
Maybe in the era of “USA! USA!” chants, that is something we want. Then again, maybe not, considering polls on military spending and saber-rattling suggest we aren’t nearly the militarist culture the media portrays us as. Either way, the ethics, morals and implications of the Pentagon-video-game nexus deserve far more attention than they’ve received. In other words, it’s time to finally admit and then honestly address what video games have become — as much entertainment products as precision weapons in the Pentagon’s propaganda wars.
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I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground. - Umar ibn khattab(Ra)
At the end of the day, you either believe that there's a massive, global, anti-muslim conspiracy, or you don't.
If you believe in it, you'll see it everywhere. If I wanted to find evidence of an anti-English conspiracy, or an anti-black horses conspiracy I could find it. The sheer number of people, agencies, companies and whatever else (as highlighted by independent) that would need to be involved is incredible.
Many right-wing supporters in the UK believe there is a pro-muslim agenda. They have evidence. Do you believe it? I don't.
There's no conspiracy it's a fact the state the entire Middle East is in or any country desirous of Islamic rule is enough of a testament to that fact!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I said this in the other thread, and I'll say it again: putting a book that only RESEMBLES a copy of the Quran into a video game does not translate into a declaration of war against all of Islam (Assuming it's even true). If this is from Resident Evil 5, it's worth noting that it takes place in Africa so it could have been a design choice by the developers who might have read about Africa's large Muslim population. There's no reason to think something like this has any malicious intent. Also, even if the west is at war with you, Resident Evil is a Japanese game. Made in Japan. By the Japanese.
I don't understand how using the Quran as a means of instilling culture into a game would be of any good. The chief matter is that they should stop using religious symbols in video games since their influencing culture is heavily secular anyway so isn't inserting religious symbols into games something that contradicts their own philosphy. Second, it's very unreasonable of you to demand us to just over lookthese kinds of behavior because they apparently seem innocent and sponeuontaneous in your view. I think you yourself would be offended if that was your own picture lying there on the floor for some haughty soldier to pridefully stomp on. Atleast you should acknowledge that.
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This thread is revealing - not because it's talking about something important, but for exactly the opposite reason. It's so deeply and utterly trivial.
I dont think that you are entitled to decide what is 'trivial' for another group of people - in this case, Muslims - or not. By doing so, actually reflects arrogance.
The Quraan, the final glorious message of Allah, is regarded as sacred to muslims, and so, it is for us to decide whether such cases are appropriate and acceptable, according to our beliefs and standards (not yours, or any other atheist/ Christian/ other group on this forum).
I wonder why you have decided to comment/ pass judgement upon something that bears no relevance to you or your beliefs.
If a muslim is stating that he/ she finds such representation of our Holy scriptures offensive, then can you not respect this?
format_quote Originally Posted by Independent
....I'm surprised even a die-hard conspiracist would want to place themselves on such weak ground by arguing the case for it. However, it's always revealing to look at things the other way round so let's just imagine it could be true for a moment:-
In my previous post, I had suggested that you search for 'subliminal messaging - cartoons/ video games/ advertising' on youtube (or on google).
Please do so - and you will find that almost all information about this, comes from non-muslims.
Most have a sexual under-tone - but perhaps, in the same manner, you will be able to create case scenarios as to how e.g. Disney manages to release so many movies (for kids) with these types of subliminal messages (as well as Coca Cola/ Pepsi/ BBC, etc) - and importantly, to ask yourself: why?
- What appears to be far-fetched to you (just because you have not understood the system that we are living in), is actually very plausible (and real) to the rest of us.
format_quote Originally Posted by Independent
And all for what? A tiny aspect of one of many thousands of video games, which will be forgotten about in a matter of months? Get real.
If subliminal messaging (that is occurs over split seconds) was not as effective, then advertisers would not be spending as much time and effort in its use.
Greetings,
I dont think that you are entitled to decide what is 'trivial' for another group of people - in this case, Muslims - or not. By doing so, actually reflects arrogance.
The Quraan, the final glorious message of Allah, is regarded as sacred to muslims, and so, it is for us to decide whether such cases are appropriate and acceptable, according to our beliefs and standards (not yours, or any other atheist/ Christian/ other group on this forum).
I wonder why you have decided to comment/ pass judgement upon something that bears no relevance to you or your beliefs.
If a muslim is stating that he/ she finds such representation of our Holy scriptures offensive, then can you not respect this?
Jazakallah khair for this excellent point. This is why I do not think that non-Muslims have any place engaging in political discussions on Islamic forums that relate to Islamic issues. They are our brothers and sisters in humanity but they are not part of the ummah and therefore have no say whatsoever in its leadership or direction.
When I was a non-Muslim I was welcomed by the Islamic community to socialize at their da'wa table, I was welcomed to take a Qur'an translation which was free (and I still have that copy ), and I was invited to the masjid to see what it was like. I never assumed that I was welcomed to "teach" Muslims what Islam is or is not or to "guide" Muslims in what politics they should or should not support when I wasn't even Muslim myself. I do not believe da'wa extends that kind of courtesy. Beyond an invitation to join Islam or to support our causes at our invitation they are taking liberties that they never should assume have been granted.
And it makes these political discussions here on IB extremely counterproductive. And if someone feels otherwise whether a member or a mod/admin, then please quote from the Qur'an/Hadith where the Prophet (saw) permitted, encouraged, or tolerated non-Muslims to dictate Islam, Islamic politics, the creation, expansion, or future of the ummah. I would like to know.
You presume that people who come on these forums have noble intentions but in fact they're probably heavily monitored by government goons and paid shills!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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