It is not a war against Islam or anything but this is resident evil, the player is stepping on the quran here, there was another one where the Quran is in the bathroom it was posted before I don't know what the game is, please boycott these games and complain!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Something like this is in video games is only a small thing. There is a clear war on Islam, both physical and ideological, and it is waged on so many mediums that anyone who does not see it today and is Muslim, I fear for them. This is because all of this is already listed in the Qur'aan, so even if one was sheltered, they would know, but the world today even without the Qur'aan's speech is already more than enough to show. Those who are not Muslim and comment, they are best ignored because what is far greater than mere speech has already failed to open their eyes.
I don't think that you are entitled to decide what is 'trivial' for another group of people - in this case, Muslims - or not
I understand that it is offensive to Muslims - however, the image was used in complete ignorance of its meaning. It's like 'sampling' from music, or taking part of a famous painting and reworking it into a new image. I don't think you can even regard the designer as careless or indifferent. It would never have crossed his mind that there was any risk of offense. He probably searched an image bank the same way he would have compiled a thousand pictures in the past.
This is 'trivial' also in the sense that it has zero political significance, is not evidence of an anti Islam agenda, and wouldn't be of any measurable advantage to such an agenda even if it exists.
It risks everything, but achieves nothing. People who were clever enough to pull off such an agenda would never be so stupid as to try half the things they're credited with.
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In my previous post, I had suggested that you search for 'subliminal messaging - cartoons/ video games/ advertising' on youtube (or on google).
I am well aware of the concept of subliminal advertising.
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If subliminal messaging (that is occurs over split seconds) was not as effective, then advertisers would not be spending as much time and effort in its use.
The Telegraph article you quote actually points out that it is illegal in the UK - so subliminal advertising does not exist here. The advertising industry is wholly private and is composed of a tremendous number of independent businesses which could never be controlled by central government without it being discovered very easily.
You could argue that product placement and sponsorship have a somewhat 'subliminal' aspect to them, but not in the sense you're looking for.
Obviously, it's true that many cultural products (films, games, books etc) have wider effects. Once again, almost all of this is produced by a myriad of private firms, the vast majority of which have no possible connection with government. If you want to see what government propaganda really looks like, there was plenty of it in WW2 - and you can tell perfectly easily that the government made it.
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- What appears to be far-fetched to you (just because you have not understood the system that we are living in), is actually very plausible (and real) to the rest of us.
Well, we could both say that.
I recognise that you hold your views sincerely and your motivations are religious which I respect. However, I often feel that people are making comments here who have a complete lack of understanding or experience of life in a corporate/commercial environment. It's just not like that.
And it makes these political discussions here on IB extremely counterproductive. And if someone feels otherwise whether a member or a mod/admin, then please quote from the Qur'an/Hadith where the Prophet (saw) permitted, encouraged, or tolerated non-Muslims to dictate Islam, Islamic politics, the creation, expansion, or future of the ummah. I would like to know.
I can't think of any ayat or hadith that would say any such thing. But, so what? Are there any ayats or hadiths that say the opposite? If there are no ayats or hadiths either way, why is your position on this the default one?
The most commonly accepted methodology is to consider everything halal by default, and for things to remain so in the absence of scriptural passages or any other specific reason for or against.
Thank you for acknowledging this.
What is offensive can not be deemed as trivial.
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however, the image was used in complete ignorance of its meaning. It's like 'sampling' from music, or taking part of a famous painting and reworking it into a new image. I don't think you can even regard the designer as careless or indifferent. It would never have crossed his mind that there was any risk of offense. He probably searched an image bank the same way he would have compiled a thousand pictures in the past.
How do you speak with such certainty of the developers intentions?
Do you by chance work at Capcom?
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I am well aware of the concept of subliminal advertising.
The Telegraph article you quote actually points out that it is illegal in the UK - so subliminal advertising does not exist here.
^ Are you actually being serious here?
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For those who are still in denial about this:
Capcom rolled out Zack and Wiki a long time ago for the Wii.
The game had a debut trailer in which a group of characters used the Islamic phrase “Allah o Akbar” and performed a ritualistic dance.
The trailer was not taken lightly and Capcom was bombarded with criticism from Islamic faith and organizations. There was also a court filing against Capcom from Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). The filed case asked Capcom to remove the Islamic phrase from the game. Capcom quickly recognized the severity of the issue and removed the phrase from the release version of the game and issued a press release with their response.
Capcom has been depicting Islamic artifacts in its “Devil May Cry” Series. What’s more infuriating is the fact that the artifacts used are of grave importance and respect in the Muslim faith. First, it’s Devil may Cry 3.....
The texture used to make that door is taken from the Entrance of the Holy Kabah. Also called the Baba’ e Kabah.
The use of the texture is completely outrageous. The concept of the game revolves around Demons and Evil Powers. The depiction of demons or evil people entering it justifies the fact that someone at Capcom is messing around. I wouldn’t call them names but it is obvious that the use is taken into account with knowledge of the importance of that artifact.
My brothers and sisters - please, it is time to wake up and understand the world that we are living in.
These are intentional methods of trying to desecrate our deen. None has been borne out of ignorance.
You can chose to continue to spend your time and money on these open enemies of Islam.
Time and money that could (and should) be spent in the course of Allah, and for the sake of our brothers and sisters across the world, who are being humiliated by similar groups of people.
Until we understand the system that we are living in, we will continue to fall prey to their schemes.
Our purpose here is not for games and play, but for the worship of Allah and for investing in our life in the Aakhirah.
Please consider this, the next time you decide to spend a few hours in front of your console, hacking away at some demon-like images in games with titles such as 'Devils May Cry'.
The only devil we should be trying to defeat is not the one on a video game......but the one who refused to obey Allah (subhanawataála), and whose only desire is to see as many men and women dragged into Jahannum with him.
Capcom has been depicting Islamic artifacts in its “Devil May Cry” Series. What’s more infuriating is the fact that the artifacts used are of grave importance and respect in the Muslim faith. First, it’s Devil may Cry 3.....
The texture used to make that door is taken from the Entrance of the Holy Kabah. Also called the Baba’ e Kabah.
The use of the texture is completely outrageous. The concept of the game revolves around Demons and Evil Powers. The depiction of demons or evil people entering it justifies the fact that someone at Capcom is messing around. I wouldn’t call them names but it is obvious that the use is taken into account with knowledge of the importance of that artifact.
well played for making a more concise argument.
i guess thats me done from the thread.
no doubt it wont be any easier the next time round.
Nidal Hassan gets the death sentence for 13 military pigs the pig who killed 17 afghan civilians gets a life sentence - American justice and yes again not a war in Islam or anything!
Nidal Hassan gets the death sentence for 13 military pigs the pig who killed 17 afghan civilians gets a life sentence - American justice and yes again not a war in Islam or anything!
i guess its all on the jury.
...who are probably picked by random selection.
where exactly are you going with this?
also, in the end most things balance out. according to allah swt. (edit..all things balance out)
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Wars take place in many forms and using various methods.
One of them is the use of propaganda by the media.
The use of sound bytes, images that cause insult to a particular group of people or religion is one form of propaganda used to turn one group of people against another. This is used in different places and times to gain the support of the people for "certain" actions like wars and other types of oppression that governments wish to take.
It is well known that Muslims are portrayed negatively in the media.
The baddies always seem to have a beard of some kind and mostly always look like they are of Arab descent. They are also often dressed wearing long robes like Muslims do.
This subconsciously creates a negative perception in the minds of the people towards Muslims which can affect the way they interact with people of Arab background and Muslim faith.
Hollywood and even the UK film industry is getting bolder and bolder day by day in the way they portray Islam in their films for e.g.
United 93 - In this film they re-create the scenes in final moments of the planes that flew into the twin towers. The bombers here are portrayed as Arabs even though no one saw any of these men nor was there any CCTV footage shown of them. There has been plenty of evidence put forth by non Muslim experts in architecture and other fields of study to prove that those buildings could not have been taken down by those planes.
Besides that there were many other clues that the media had advanced knowledge of the attack when they are shown talking about buildings coming down before they even came down etc. I am amazed at how they were allowed to re-create a situation where no one actually saw the bombers and there is no conclusive evidence to prove it was Muslims who did it. Films like these send a message to the public that it was Muslims who carried out these attacks and this creates a negative perception towards Muslims. In fact many Muslims were harmed after this attack in revenge for what happened even though no clear evidence was produced to prove it was Muslims who did it.
On the contrary there is clear evidence publicly available to prove it was done by the Israeli extremists "Mossad" but no one has taken them to task for it.
Lord of The Rings 3 - In the final battle the enemy side is shown as having archers on the backs of elephants. These archers are wearing the face veil. Co-incidence? What kind of effect would this have on women wearing the face veil?
World War Z - In this film the world is taken over by zombies that have been infected by a virus. Guess who the zombies are? Wait for it... They're none other than a people who have already been afflicted with oppression for the last 50+ years. To add insult to injury Hollywood portrays the Palestinian people as zombies who have been infected by a type of virus and they are shown climbing over each other to escape climb over the high wall barrier that they have been imprisoned in for the last who knows how many years.
Seventh Son - A bunch of guys are trying to save the world from witches. Guess who the witches are? out of all the people in the world they could have chosen, the witches are portrayed as Muslim women. The main witch is shown in a mosque like building, chanting spells.
True Guns - Denzel Washington is stopped by the border agency to check his passport. He's told he needs to check his ID "just to make sure he's not a Muslim". Then Denzel Washington pulls out a gun and says, "Assalaamu alaykum"
I guess some people might think these are all co-incidences.
Others might interpret them as part of a strategy to turn the masses of people against Muslims and the religion of Islam.
Whatever view you take please remember that the Film industry as a whole (largely controlled by Jewish financers) are getting bolder and bolder day by day in their portrayal of Muslims. Jewish extremists spend all their wealth and efforts to turn the world against Muslims on every level they can. This enmity has been there since Prophet Muhammad, an Arab, was given the final Prophethood instead of one of their leaders.
I am amazed at how the film industry are allowed to portray Muslims in such negative ways and no one says a thing about it. If Muslims made films about Christians or Jews in a similar fashion I am sure that there would be an uproar about it all over the Western World. So why should we stand for this negative portrayal of Muslims?
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Whatever view you take please remember that the Film industry as a whole (largely controlled by Jewish financers) are getting bolder and bolder day by day in their portrayal of Muslims. Jewish extremists spend all their wealth and efforts to turn the world against Muslims on every level they can. This enmity has been there since Prophet Muhammad, an Arab, was given the final Prophethood instead of one of their leaders.
No need for sarcasm when you state the obvious - what's that reverse psychology?
SubhanAllah, Im trying to understand it myself.
Allahu alim.
If as muslims, we can watch a video filled with violent, satanic images followed by a clear image depicting the door of the Kaaba (which is meant to represent the door to 'Demons Domain' in the game - Astaghfirullah).....and feel nothing about it, then I'm not sure what more to say....
I'm not defending this movie nor am I going to get into 9/11.
Lord of The Rings 3 ...
All the LOTR movies are based on the books.
World War Z...
This movie is based on a book.
Seventh Son...
This movie is based on a book
Two Guns...
This movie is based on a graphic novel.
This being said, I do agree with you on the depiction of Muslims in movies tend to be quite negative.
If you would like to change this, perhaps try getting into the movie industry yourself and start creating movies with more positive portrayals of Muslims and Islam?
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
With all due respect my post wasn't intended specifically for you but since you replied let me make a few points.
Firstly, I don't get your point about them being based on books.
Haven't you noticed how in the film versions of books, the story and characters are actually portrayed quite differently. Hollywood glamorizes things and adds in extra things that weren't in the book.
In the books maybe they don't or didn't have any references to Muslims or Islam but in the films they can and do add in those "extras" which are so obvious.
The other point is that since Hollywood is financed mainly by the Jews or more specifically Zionists, they have all the more reason to use their resources to turn the masses against us.
I gave not 1, but 5 specific examples above of how films are used to create a negative image of Islam and Muslims and you failed to recognize even one of them.
If you can't notice the blatant propaganda against Islam in films then that is your choice however there are others who can and my post was intended for them.
With regards to your advice about getting into movie industry. Funnily enough I do know someone who is a script writer and I might just take your advice in that regard.
However that being said, I don't believe it's necessary for me to start creating movies in order for people to realize and do something about the blatant propaganda against Islam in the film industry. There are other ways of raising awareness about this issue.
May Allaah guide us all to The Straight Path.
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SubhanAllah, Im trying to understand it myself.
Allahu alim.
If as muslims, we can watch a video filled with violent, satanic images followed by a clear image depicting the door of the Kaaba (which is meant to represent the door to 'Demons Domain' in the game - Astaghfirullah).....and feel nothing about it, then I'm not sure what more to say....
SubhanAllah.
Living in the West for too long has a strange effect on some people. After a while their sense of Al Wala and Bara starts to get affected.
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