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    'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again (OP)


    Yasir Qadhi on the mawlid. Ameen to the duas!

    Sadly, both sides have fanatics and overzealous people who have nothing but hate and contempt for the other side.

    While I personally choose not to do anything special on the 12th of Rabi al-Awwal (and believe that the actual date of the blessed birth is not known for certain), I also do not in any way disparage or look down on those who choose to celebrate the arrival of the best human being, as long as they stay within the bounds of Islam in their praise.

    The fact of the matter is that, for the last seven centuries, we have had respected scholars who have considered this celebration to be discouraged, and others who have considered it to be encouraged with conditions. This is an undeniable reality that no serious researcher can deny. So if you choose to follow one set of scholars, at least recognize that another set of respected jurists have chosen the other opinion, and respect that difference, even as you follow the other opinion.

    Especially in this time and age, when the Ummah is facing so much turmoil and trials, surely both sides can agree that the motivation for their positions is the same?!

    In other words, those who celebrate the mawlid do so out of pure love for our Prophet (salla Allah alayhi wa sallam), and those who consider it to be a reprehensible innovation also do so out of love for following the Prophet (SAW) perfectly.

    Instead of concentrating on the different opinions, why can't we see that what motivates BOTH parties is their love for the Rasul (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam)? And why can't both parties agree that no matter what the correct position is about the mawlid, the Prophet (SAW) would not want us to be boycotting and calling each other names and hating on one another? This, ESPECIALLY at a time of great fitan, when millions of Muslims are refugees, or being persecuted, or facing Islamophobia across the globe.

    May Allah unite our hearts upon the worship of Allah and the love of Rasul Allah (salla Allah alayhi wa sallam), for in the end, that is all that counts!
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    ^^^





    The miraculous story of the composer of the line "Muhammad is a man, but not like other men! He is a gem and human beings are stones:"

    The reason for writing Qaseedah Burdah Shareef :
    The writer HAZRAT IMAAM SAALIH SHARA-FUD-DEEN ABU ABDULIAH MUHAMMAD
    BIN HASAN AL-BUSAIRI R.A had become paralysed. His doctors and
    physicians gave up all hope of his recovery. Eventually in this state
    of complete helplessness and despair he composed this poem expressing
    the grandeur and excellence of Sayyidina Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi
    Wasallam. Using this as his sole means of asking Allah Ta'alaa to cure
    him from his illness. He isolated himself in a quiet place one
    Thursday night and with complete devotion, concentration and
    sincerity/ began reciting this poem. While reciting it sleep overcame
    him. He had a vision of Sayyidina. Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi
    Wasallam. He told Sayyidina Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi Wasallam of
    his illness whereupon Sayyidina Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi Wasallam
    passed his blessed hand over Imam Busairi's body. Through the barakat
    and blessing of Sayyidina, Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi Wasallam Allah
    Ta’alaa granted him complete cure from his paralysis. When he awoke he
    found a scarf or shawl on his body which he had seen Sayyidina
    Rasuluallah Sallallhu Alayhi Wasallam place on his paralysed limbs.
    This resulted in the poem being named "Qasidah Burdah" (The Poem of
    the Scarf).


    In the morning when due to some necessity. he went to the bazaar, a
    pious dervish greeted him with salaam and requested him to recite the
    qasidah which he had composed in praise of Sayyidina Rasuluallah
    Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam The poet said that I have composed many
    poems in praise of Rasuluallah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam, which one
    do you wish to hear? The dervish replied: 'The one which begins with,
    A-min Tazak-kurin (i.e. Qasidah Burdah)". Upon this request the poet
    became wonder struck and said, "I take an oath that no one knows about
    this poem. Tell me the truth, from whom did you hear about it?" The
    dervish replied, "I take an oath by Allah that I heard it from you
    last night when in a dream you had recited it to Sayyidina Rasulullah
    Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam, whereupon Sayyidina Rasuluallah Sallallahu
    Alayhi Wasallam became attentive towards you and because of its
    blessings Allah Ta'alaa granted you complete cure from your ailment".
    When the poet gave this poem to the dervish his secret became known to
    all the people and its barakat and blessings too became general for all.


    When this poem reached Baha-ud-deen the governor of the country named
    Tahir, he so highly regarded and respected it that he would stand
    while listening to it.


    It is also narrated that Sa'aadud-deen Farouqi, who was a viceroy of
    Baha-ud-deen, had became blind. In a dream he saw a pious person who
    told him to take the Qasidah Burdah from Baha-ud-deen and place it on
    his eyes. In the morning he told Baha-ud-deen about this dream. The
    Qasidah Burdah was brought and with full sincerity and conviction
    Sa'aadud-deen placed it on his eyes. Through its barakat Allah Ta'alaa
    granted him complete cure and restored his eyesight.
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    What did Prophet say about the one one who recites salawat/durood upon him ?

    Ubai bin Ka’ab (may Allah be pleased with him)[....] said; ‘I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, I supplicate often, so how much of my supplication should I devote to you?’ He replied, ‘as you desire’. I said, ‘a quarter of it?’ He said ‘as you desire, but if you were to increase upon this, it would be better for you.’ I said, ‘half of it?’ He said, ‘as you desire, but if you were to increase upon this, it would be better for you.’ I said, ‘two-thirds of it?’ He said again, ‘as you desire, but if you were to increase upon this, it would be better for you.’ Finally I said, ‘and if I dedicate my supplication in its entirety to you?’ He said, ‘then your needs will be satisfied, and your sins forgiven.’
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    Who here has a paperback or hardcover version of the Quran?
    Who here has ever read tarawih in congregation?
    Who here has used the online version of the Quran on their android?
    Who here has athan/azan app?

    By narrow definition and comprehension of the term bida, these can be considered "bida" too.


    The Prophet said, “He who inaugurates a good practice (sunnatun ħasana) in Islam earns the reward of it, and of all who perform it after him, without diminishing their own rewards in the least…” (Muslim.)

    The Prophet comprehended that new situations would arise, and thus gave Muslims the ability to adopt new applications of Islamic law if they were beneficial to the community.

    Among numerous other examples of how applications of law have changed is the assembly of the Holy Qur’ān, which during the Prophet’s lifetime consisted of loose pages in chronological sequence of divine revelation. The third caliph, Uthmān, took the initiative to assemble the revealed verses in the book format we have today.As the Prophet had never indicated this should be done, or done so himself, Uthmān’s act was an innovation. He introduced the notion of change, and thereby established a precedent for what would be considered good or useful innovations in religion.

    In the early days of Islam, slavery was permitted as a vestige of the preexisting social structure. At the same time, Islam introduced many safeguards for the rights of slaves and Muslims were encouraged to free them to expiate their sins. But it was not until later that scholars voted to abolish slavery altogether.

    In Ramadan, the Muslims around the world gather in mosques to pray a nightly congregational prayer known as ‘tarāwīħ.’ This was not practiced in this manner in the lifetime of the Prophet , but later implemented as a means to preserve brotherhood among Muslims, and revive their spirits to fast the next day.

    Similarly, when MuƸaffar al-Kawkubūrī noticed love for the Prophet was diminishing, he introduced the public observance of the Prophet’s birthday (mawlid), spending thousands of gold dinars for the event. The scholars of his time defended his act as something good.
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    Ikhwan wa Akhwat,

    Allah Most High Himself commemorated the birth of His Beloved(SAW):
    https://seekerofthesacredknowledge.w...irth%E2%80%8F/

    Allah Most High encourages us to praise him(SAW):
    Almighty Allah says: "Surely Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). O you who believe! Send Blessings (Durood) and Salutations (Salaams) on the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) with worthy Salutation". [Surah al-Ahzab 33: Verse 56]

    Mohammad(SAW) himself fasted on Mondays, one of the reasons for which he did this was because he was born on that day:
    "In a Hadith narrated by Abu Qatada Ansari (rad), Allah's Messenger (SAW) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: ‘It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me.’ (Muslim, Book 6, No. 2606).

    The Sahabas themselves were pioneers in taking the initiative to show love and appreciation for Mohammad(SAW). Where is it in the Qur'an and books of Hadith do you find commands to capture the water that was dripping from the Ablution of Mohammad(SAW)? Where are the instructions that they should make a queue to take the hair of Mohammad(SAW) when it was cut? Did Mohammad(SAW) ask "Sword of Allah" Khalid ibn Al Waleed(RA) to attach his hair to his Turban for blessings? How many of you would be crying Bida and Shirk at him for doing so? I do not really celebrate the birth of others but the exceptions is Mohammad(SAW) and it appears that Sahabas were more than aware of this fact; that Mohammad(SAW) is an exceptional.

    Also you do not need proof from Sahabah an action is good before you do it; We know the Ulema were too busy drying their pens with the details of what was left from Mohammad(SAW) instead. But the most probable reason why they didn't bother write about this particular practice is because it's so blatantly obvious that it is a good thing that they saw no reason to write it! If I see an old lady struggling to cross the road I do not need proof now find proof the Sahaba(RA) did it because I know such acts encouraged by the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah, The Onus is on the who thinks it's wrong to provide proof that it is wrong.

    “In Sharh Usul al-Bazdawi of al-allama al-Akmal: ‘the majority of our colleagues (among the Hanafis) and the majority of the Shafi’is have said that matters which admit of permissibility or prohibition in the Sharia before its transmission remain permissible, and that is the basic presumption regarding them… so they deemed permissibility the basis, and prohibition is by demonstrating negation…’” Rad al-Muhtar, Imam Ibn Abidin


    And so the question shouldn’t be, “Did the Sahaba celebrate Mawlid?”, rather it should be, “Is there any indication from the Sahaba that celebrating the birth of the Messenger of God (Allah bless him and grant him peace) is a bad thing?”
    http://muslimvillage.com/2014/12/27/...ebrate-mawlid/

    We also learn from the acts of Sahaba(RA) that Mohammad(SAW) does not stop acts which are done out of love for him as he knows Allah Most High is pleased with this and it draws them closer to Allah Most High. Mohammad(SAW) advised Umar(RA) in order to draw closer to Allah Most High he must change the priority of whom he loves.

    As for saying the celebration is the same as Christmas that is not true. There is no restriction on how you choose to commemorate this day as mentioned in the articles I provided before on this thread. Also Last time I checked there were no reports of a fat burly bloke in red with reindeers at Mawlid gatherings

    As for commemorating days where Allah Most High showed Mercy than this is Proven Sunnah. It is Sunnah to fast the day Allah Most High Saved Bani Israel from Pharoah (day of Ashura). The Jews also do this practice so in order to differentiate ourselves we fast an extra day. So are we now to stop to fasting on Ashura because it resembles the practice of Jews? In fact Imam Jalal Uddin Suyuti(RA) used this as evidence for Mawlid: He(Imam Suyuti(RA)) found strong evidence for Meelad Shareef in "Sahih al-Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim". It is that when the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) migrated to Madinah, he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura (i.e. the 10th of Muharram). He enquired from them as to reason for this. They told him that Ashura is that day on which Allah Ta'ala has caused Pharaoh to drown, and granted Musa (alaihis-salaam) deliverance from him, and that they (the Jews) therefore fast (on that day) out of gratitude to Allah Ta'ala.

    Do I think I am better than people he do not practice Mawlid? Of course not. That is for Allah Most High to Judge. However I do think those who do not practice are depriving themselves of the blessings they could have acquired by partaking in it. Just like some those who deprive themselves of blessings of Teraweeh prayer by not partaking in it.

    Some of you have observed that there are people who go to Mawlids but do not practice Sunnah daily; this could be true and we hope that they mend their ways after being inspired in Mawlid gatherings OR at the very least due to this day they did some good where otherwise they would not have done. However it would be incorrect to wipe them all with the same brush as I myself have observed those whom I regard the most pious in our current times participate in it. I have also seen Sunni Ulema whose works I admire not participate in it but I do not agree with their opinion.

    And if the Ayats of Qur'an and Hadiths are not enough than know that the Ulema of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'a all agree that there more than one type of Bidah/Innovation (See articles i posted in my previous post) and an innovation which embodies the spirit of Islam and propagates Islam and instils love for Mohammad(SAW) is recommended so long as it complies with Shariah. The objection some Sunni Ulema have is that Haram things (Music/Free mixing) take place in "some" of these gatherings and indeed if this is the case it becomes reprehensible. I believe this was the driving force why Deoabandi Ulema discouraged it even though the teachers of the founder of Deoband practiced it (e.g. Shah WaliUllah Dehlevi(RA)). However even they themselves say if the gathering where to take place compliant to Shariah law it is highly virtuous and rewarding. Just because weeds grow around a flower you do not take the flower out but rather work on removing the weeds.

    Some Sunni Ulema also differ on the date but admit the Ijmaa of Ulema is with 12th Rabi Ul Awwal. This is further proven by fact most Muslim nations have declared this day a national celebration. And it is the belief of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'a that one of the many blessings conferred on the Ummah of Mohammad(SAW) is that the Ijmaa of the Ummah would not unite upon falsehood

    .
    "Allah will never let my Ummah agree upon misguidance, and the hand of Allah is over the group (Jama'ah), so follow the great mass of believers (Sawad ul-'Azam), and whoever dissents from them departs to hell(al-Tirmidhi (4/2167) a narration authenticated and reported by al-Hakim (1/116), and al-Dhahabi agreed with him, Scholars explained that Sawad al Azam here refers to great Ulama.


    AS Mufti al-Khazraji said 'Celebrating the Mawlid is a recommended practice, especially in this difficult age of ours"
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    format_quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    The words you use to describe Mawlid are disturbing, a tragedy thus this discussion ends here. Mawlid is celebrated in all corners of the world not only in this month but all year around regardless of your opinion.

    Assalatu wassalamu alayka Ya Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam.
    And that doesn't change the fact in the slightest that it's nothing more than a filthy innovation - inserted into the deen of Allah.
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again





    Pause.

    Please reflect In-sha-Allah.

    You may have the last word here with your post in response to bro Vision, but I noticed he had the best last words a la his statement "Assalatu wassalamu alayka Ya Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam."

    format_quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    And that doesn't change the fact in the slightest that it's nothing more than a filthy innovation - inserted into the deen of Allah.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post




    Pause.

    Please reflect In-sha-Allah.

    You may have the last word here with your post in response to bro Vision, but I noticed he had the best last words a la his statement "Assalatu wassalamu alayka Ya Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam."


    Reflect on what? I will not tolerate people inserting innovations into the deen. All innovations are misguidance and all misguidance is in the fire. The end.
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    Please In-sha-Allah read post #45 for clarification - thank you in advance.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    Reflect on what? I will not tolerate people inserting innovations into the deen. All innovations are misguidance and all misguidance is in the fire. The end.
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    format_quote Originally Posted by saif-uddin View Post
    https://islamqa.info/en/249

    Mawlid is Biddah,

    None of the Sahaba radiallahu anhum ever practiced it nor condoned it.

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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    format_quote Originally Posted by فرحان View Post
    Saw this quote, which is so true subhan Allah.

    "No matter what your position is about the mawlid ceremony, Remember that Prophet would never want us to be insulting and hating on one another."
    True but if it falls under bida then its a big damage, pro mawlid and anti mawlid guys can agree on one thingnthat it was created after the prophets and companions time

    Even if we consoder mawlid as a gray area the best practice for a believer is that he should refrain from the gray area

    Sheik yasir says not to celebrate mawlid in a wrong way, farhan u should see what i have seen here its like muslim night club
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    Well I know an Ulama who allows it so debate ends there for me. I have no knowledge on such matters.

    I fell into this trap too when I was still new to the Islamic world and regularly check fatwas 'online' but little do I realize there's differences of opinion and I began to start to subconciously label people acting on mawlid as misguided or acting on 'bid'ah'.
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    The Sahaba used the wudu water of the Prophet (Salaal Laahu Alaihi Wa Salaam) as blessing.

    “The Holy Prophet (Salaal Laahu Alaihi Wa Salaam) was once with us and the companions were in his company. He (salaal Laahu alaihi wa salaam) performed wudhu. The companions stood around the Holy Prophet (Salaal Laahu Alaihi Wa Salaam) and raced to catch a drop of the water on their hands! They did not let a drop touch the floor. Each drop of water that they caught was rubbed on their faces and chest. (Abu Bakr, Uthman, Umar Ali, and the rest of the sahaba (Allah be pleased with them) were doing this. It was the collective sunnah of the sahaba to do this.) Whoever missed the chance to catch a drop of the water rubbed their hands with the sahaba who caught a drop, and then rubbed this all over their faces and bodies. Why? Just to get the moisture of the holy water.” (Sahih Bukhari by Abu Juhaifa)

    This is Mawlid. To learn, reflect, and better oneself spiritually to become closer to Allah and his Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam.
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    Does anybody have any data on the history of the event..

    It can't be just a recent innovation... Lol innovation..

    There have been plenty of Muslim empires, some documentation or tradition should exist...

    2013 the invention of black Friday in England.. Wut.. I was there
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    Why can a person not say "La ilaha illallah" to become Muslim? Why "Muhammadur RasulAllah"?
    Because, accepting the Prophet wholeheartedly and obeying him unconditionally, is a condition for our faith. Without this, we cannot be Muslim. We must take what he gave us, leave what he forbade us, and follow his beautiful example, and after him, that of his rightly guided companions, and those who learnt from them. We should love him as much as we can, in the way he taught us we should, and not any ways invented after him . Nobody loved him more than his companions (may Allah be pleased with them), and we should pray and try that we may follow their example and love him the same way they did, which he approved of. We should ask Allah to save us from overstepping the mark, as the Prophet told us to avoid. and truly, the way to love him is beautifully spelled out in the Qur'an, in Allah's own words, commanded by Allah to the Prophet :saws; to say:

    Say [O Muhammad, saws]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Qur'an, Surah Aale Imraan, surah 3, ayah 51)


    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    Prophet narrated: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: 'O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me.' Allah said: 'O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him?' Adam said: 'O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’.' So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: 'O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you'.”
    Reports that say the Earth was created for the Prophet are either extremely weak or fabricated, and not sound. See:
    https://www.islamweb.net/newislamweb...ayhi-wa-sallam
    http://islamqa.info/en/23290

    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    Jabir ibn `Abd Allah said to the Prophet : "O Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be sacrificed for you, tell me of the first thing Allah created before all things." He said: "O Jabir, the first thing Allah created was the light of your Prophet from His light, and that light remained in the midst of His Power for as long as He wished, and there was not, at that time, a Tablet or a Pen or a Paradise or a Fire or an angel or a heaven or an earth. And when Allah wished to create creation, he divided that Light into four parts and from the first made the Pen, from the second the Tablet, from the third the Throne, [and from the fourth everything else]."
    The above "hadeeth" is a fabrication falsely atrributted to the Prophet and to Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him)

    "Moreover it is proven that the angels are the ones who were created from light, not any of the sons of Adam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, and Iblees was created from smokeless fire, and Adam (peace be upon him) was created from what has been described to you.” Narrated by Muslim, 2996. "

    "This indicates that the well known hadeeth (report) that is in circulation among people – “The first thing that Allaah created was the light of your Prophet, O Jaabir” – is false, and so are other similar ahaadeeth (narrations) which say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was created from light. This hadeeth clearly indicates that the angels are the only ones who are created from light, not Adam and his sons, so pay heed and do not be negligent."

    http://islamqa.info/en/75395

    "It is a fabricated Hadeeth"

    http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=83805

    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    Prophet Yahya alayhis salaam was saying about his own birthday which Allah talks about him saying the Holy Qur'an:
    وَسَلَامٌ عَلَيْهِ يَوْمَ وُلِدَ وَيَوْمَ يَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ يُبْعَثُ حَيًّا
    wa salaamun `alayhi yawma wulida wayawma yamootu wayawma yub`athu haayyaa
    "And may peace and blessings be upon the day he was born..." (Surah Maryam 19:15)

    So, Prophet Yahya alayhis salaam can say that about his birth date, yet Muslims cannot say that for the most honorable creation Prophet Muhammad ?
    The day of ones birth, is entirely different from making an annual celebration called birthday, be it ours, Jesus alayhissalaam, or Prophet Muhammad's .

    Jazaakumullahu khayr.
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    ...how bout wedding anniversaries?
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    I am the middle ground erring on caution..

    I would think that personal or private celebration in a religious manner is OK.. Attending mosque.

    But a public showing is not OK, as it will only lead to moderates erring on the side of enjoyment to corrupt the event... In the long run.

    That being said, this is only my personal view on the subject.. Simply based on a cost/benefit perspective.

    One should simply just blend in and not cause a fuss.

    My views are not based on the bidah line of questioning.


    Although I have to ask why the direction of kiblah was changed?
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    I believe Mawlid gatherings really shot off during the time of Salah Uddin Ayubi(RA). There was a
    huge fitna at the time with Christians dissuading people from joining Islam by saying Isa(AS) was
    greater because of his miraculous birth, speaking from the womb and not having to wait 40 years to
    start his mission. So to counteract this the Mawlid gatherings were encouraged where the Miracles
    around the birth of Mohammad(SAW) and his tremendous nature is mentioned:
    http://askaquestionto.us/question-an...-mawlid-alnabi

    As for the Fatwa from Riyadh, it's clear where his allegiance lies:
    "Saudi Arabia does celebrate Youm-ul-Watani (National Day of Saudi Arabia). Television stations
    telecast special programs and newspapers print special editions and private companies give their
    employees a day off. I have never seen any Saudi scholar’s fatwa against the celebration of Saudi
    National Day. But they are very quick in giving Fatwa against Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi. Did Prophet
    (Peace be upon him) OR his companions (May Allah be pleased with them) ever celebrated the
    establishment of the Islamic state of Madinah? Saudi scholars, who oppose the celebration of
    Prophet’s birthday, gave Fatwa for justifying US troops in Saudi Arabia but they can not issue a
    Fatwa against the Bid’a that is committed by their own government and by them. That is a real
    distortion of Islam"

    http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.com...milad-un-nabi/

    Although extravagance during Mawlid should be avoided as it defeats the purpose.

    Bro M.I.A

    Regarding the change of Qibla directions you can find it here:
    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...d=321&Itemid=1

    Also as Muslims we do not celebrate birthdays or anniversaries because:
    1) Allah Most High does not give that day any significance
    2) There is no guarantee Allah Most High will be pleased with whatever you are Commemorating.

    You shouldn't hold any person or created being in the same pedestal as Mohammad(SAW) in general.
    It was narrated (in part of the hadith) that Ubayy ibn Ka’b said:
    I said: O Messenger of Allah, I send blessings upon you a great deal; how much of my prayer (dua) should be for you? He said: “Whatever you wish.”
    I said: One quarter? He said: “Whatever you wish, and if you do more it is better for you.”
    I said: Half? He said: “Whatever you wish, and if you do more it is better for you.”
    I said: Two thirds? He said: “Whatever you wish, and if you do more it is better for you.”
    I said: Should I make all my du’aa’ for you? He said: “Then your concerns will be taken care of and your sins will be forgiven.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2457);


    A mute point:

    As far as I know Mohammad(SAW) is Nurul-Bashar (made from Light and as well the same elements of Men). There is also
    differences in opinion over whether he had a shadow or not. Suffice it so say these opinions exist
    and I don't think Allah Most High will question us on.

    What is interesting is that Angels made purely from light can show the same physical qualities as
    Men. For example Azrail(AS) had his eyes knocked out by Musa(AS). Gibraeel(AS) came in the form of
    a Sahaba and no one could tell the difference.
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    Re: 'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

    Regardless of anything, can we all agree that fireworks in the middle of the night are annoying as hell?

    I feel that it depends on what constitutes the celebration, and whether that act is common on other days or done only on that specific day. Going to the mosque, or listening to lectures or sending Darood. Sure. But as you do something which is not even a thing of the religion, let alone the Prophet (pbuh), like asking for intercession, that is obviously un-Islamic.

    The thing we are really debating, is it deserving to be a holiday or a day of noticeable speciality, like Eid for example. Well I don't feel so. We already have Eid, why should we have extra holidays. I personally remember the Prophet more on Eid than his birthday anyway, since Eid is his religion's holiday, and he only celebrated Eid.

    It was authentically reported that Anas ibn Maalik may Allaah be pleased with him narrated that when the Prophet, came to Al-Madeenah, the people had two days on which they engaged in amusement. He asked: “What are these two days (what is their significance)?” They said: “We celebrated them in the pre-Islamic era.” The Messenger of Allaah, said: “Verily, Allaah has given you something better in place of them: the Day of Al-Adh-ha and the Day of Al-Fitr.” [Ahmad]

    I also do not think he would have accepted us celebrating his birthday, considering how humble he was. I mean seriously, it would be more humiliating that people are clapping for you or singing for you, to him, than anything else. Is this even a question.

    Ibn Abbas reported: I heard Umar upon the pulpit saying the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not exalt me as the Christians have exalted the son of Mary. Verily, I am only a servant, so call me the servant of Allah and his messenger.” (Sahih Bukhari 3261)

    As to attributing qualities of being above human to him, how does that even make any logical sense? How can humans of any kind not have any shadow or have light in them, that makes no sense whatsoever. All humans are children of Adam. We have different skin colors because the genetics were fed into Adam, how can someone actually be made of light. That makes no sense. Mohammad isn't some pre-universal angel or something. There is no authentic hadith that points to that. He didn't change forms and become angels all the time, only angels and Jinn can change forms. That is the whole point of being human. People need to have more common sense and not become overly fanatical of someone.

    And if someone wants to send sweets to someone else, you should be doing that all the time instead of once a year!

    Finally, the belief of having Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) be above humanity, would automatically make him better than everyone else, which is also un-Islamic! The other Prophets (pbut) also had beyond human miracles. Jesus (pbuh) hasn't died for two thousand years, and Solomon (pbuh) had a kingdom of huge fiery demons that could cross continents in seconds, and Moses (pbuh) will be the first to wake on Judgement Day, before even Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). That hadith also says that do not compare the Prophets. How does our Prophet automatically become the reason for creation without any reliable source.

    Do not make the prophets better than one another. Source: Sahih Bukhari 2281
    No servant should say that I am better than Jonah son of Mata. Source: Sahih Bukhari 3234
    Whoever says that I am better than Jonah son of Mata has told a lie. Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 3245

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