No it is not a natural impulse, it is a desire inspired by the shaytaan. To say otherwise would be an accusation that it is in our fitrah, a grave accusation against Allah SWT, it is not natural.
Like I said, tell me where in the Quran it specifically mentions that no man or woman can be born gay.
Allah creates men and women with all kinds of disabilities, both mental and physical. Why can't homosexuality be one of those mental disabilities?
P.S So animals that have same sex intercourse are also inspired by shaytan? Don't be ridiculous.
Last edited by EgyptPrincess; 05-13-2016 at 05:55 PM.
No.. in prison men have sex with other men because their locked up with no female contact whatsoever and they cannot resist themselves. In the animal kingdom yes they do this for dominance also but that's not the point... I don't care why an animal does or doesn't have sex with the same gender... the fact that they are committing homosexuality is a crime against god. End of story.
Yes, I now know that it goes against the teachings of Islam to do these things. And I was not trying to discredit your argument, I was simply trying to add more details to it since animals (from what I've read) don't tend to have sex with others of the same sex out of love like humans do.
I agree with members whose warn about homosexuality but also I wish that members here would be more accurate when you say that being gay is a sin or that no one is born gay and show the evidences from the Quran or the hadiths or somewhere else. As I remember, also in the rules it´s said that if you say like "Islam says this and that", you also have to show the proof.
By this way we all can learn more about this subject.
If a human compares himself/herself to an animal. Note that animals cannot drive, animals cannot work, animals cannot represent themselves in court, animals cannot get married, animals cannot speak for themselves.
You ask ANY gay person, Muslim, Christian, Jew or Atheist and they will tell you that they did not make a conscious effort to be gay, as in they did not choose to be gay.
Absolutely right. The idea that people choose to be gay is a product of ignorance.
I know you're not going to like what I'm about to say next but it is a fact and if you don't know it then youtube will show you plenty of videos... but animals are also sometimes gay. They have homosexual relations.
Homosexual behaviour has been observed in hundreds of species. Homophobia has only been observed in one.
This is yet another area where traditional religious thinking shows itself to be dramatically out of step with both scientific research and modern society.
Idc what you say, none was created gay. Anyone who says so, has accused Allah SWT of a great lie. Allah SWT didn't create a guy with such feelings, they deviated.
If a human compares himself/herself to an animal. Note that animals cannot drive, animals cannot work, animals cannot represent themselves in court, animals cannot get married, animals cannot speak for themselves.
An animal cannot sin either, as they have no ability to distinguish from right or wrong. I am not saying because animals do it we can do it... I am saying that animals possess homosexual tendencies and there would be absolutely no reason whatsoever for this, animals are not tested by Allah so why Allah makes them want to commit homosexuality?
So Allah swt also gives some humans this mental disability as a test to see if you will let your desires and urges go against the Quran and the word of Allah. Of course I am not one to talk about desires and urges given what I have done but my point still stands. Unless someone can prove from the Quran about this then I consider it nothing more than a test from Allah.
Animal sexual relations are entirely different. They operate differently. Homosexual behaviour in animal occurs in species that are more geared towards "community" relationship so that all of the animals care for each other's young. It is an entirely different process. Moreover. If you want to compare yourself to an animal, don't ask for rights animals themselves don't have. Etc etc etc.
Humans dont have to lower themselves to that of animals!
Please dont promote animalistic ideologies and lowliness.
Allah swt has given us intelligence so we must use that brain, not think from below!
And to answer it all--- Allah's Word is supreme so if He says human is not being born gay then so be it. The fault lies with human thinking.
Where in scripture does it say that Allah does not create someone that is gay from birth?
P.S. I think it is appropriate to state that my purpose in this thread is not to try and drive a divide here. I am just looking for logical answers that have solid evidence in scripture. If it states in scripture that Allah said that He does not create people to be born gay, then so be it, I'll accept that. But as far as I've seen, people here are making statements with nothing to back them. Just some simple citing of scripture will do.
Pre-marital relations outside the legal and social framework of marriage are prohibited in Islam just as they are in other religions. And since there is no legal framework in any religion for a homosexual relationship, the act itself has no place in Islam or in other religions.
I am not that knowledgeable, so I wouldn't know all that if being gay is to do with upbringing or genetics, or if Islam differentiates between the two or what is says about this. All I know is that the actual act is forbidden. People are forgiven for having brief thoughts or whatever, so long as they do not act upon them. Regardless of where these thoughts come from, as long as you do not act upon them, that is what matters.
I suppose you could read the story of the Prophet Lot (as) in the Qur'an, it discusses this issue. I'll try and find it.
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Ya Muqallib al-Quloob, Thabbit Qalbi Ala Deenik
Oh turner of the Hearts make my heart firm on Your Deen
Also don't confuse love for your brother or sister as a gay act. I remember doing volunteering with a foundation I can't remember what it was. Anyhow, they had pamphlets that said "how to know if you are gay" and I was curious so I opened it up and it literally said, if you love your friend of the same sex.. You are gay or you are a lesbian. I was like wtf? My mom was also wtf? Apparently because I love my friends who are girls, I am gay? Or I am a lesbian?
Apparently because I hang out with girls and prefer to have fun with girls, because I am also Muslim and I don't have friendships with guys. In the "western" lens, I am a lesbian.
This is what I mean that society "creates" homosexuals in this sense. In a western lens, a woman who has only relations with another woman (friendship, sisterhood) is apparently a lesbian
I agree with members whose warn about homosexuality but also I wish that members here would be more accurate when you say that being gay is a sin or that no one is born gay and show the evidences from the Quran or the hadiths or somewhere else. As I remember, also in the rules it´s said that if you say like "Islam says this and that", you also have to show the proof.
By this way we all can learn more about this subject.
yes when one is asking about what Islam says you have to give evidence from Quran to make things clear rather than keep on saying Islam says it Quran says it or Hadith..we all know it's wrong but please help the one who's asking in a nice calm manner rather than just saying Islam says it I agree and so should u, if they want evidence then provide it make it easy for them..obviously they want answers they want to learn that's why they made effort to come here and ask.
It would be good if someone with more knowledge could answer the brother's very specific questions, it would be interesting for me as well, to see the Islamic stance on whether being gay arises from genetics or environment, nature vs nurture.
Gayness is against the Fitrah, the way Allah SWT created us. Allah SWT created us all on the fitrah.
Homosexuality is wrong, contrary to our natural state. Allah SWT is far above that. Shaytaan instilled sinful, wrongful desires.
May Allah SWT forgive me if I said wrong. Ameen.
You're just repeating yourself.
I can find no mention from searching online about this matter other than that it is haram to ACT on ANY unlawful desire or thought.
Is it a crime against Allah for me to WANT to kill someone? No. Is it a crime if I ACT on this? Yes.
Answer me this, do you consider mental illnesses to be a product of upbringing and shaytan also? If not, why?
How about physical illness like those people who cannot reproduce? Is this also a product of upbringing and shaytan?
People are born with defects (trials) from Allah swt and there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that homosexuality is not also a test. Please link evidence or I'll simply ignore your future posts if you just repeat the same thing with no evidence.
Last edited by EgyptPrincess; 05-13-2016 at 06:20 PM.
I can find no mention from searching online about this matter other than that it is haram to ACT on ANY unlawful desire or thought.
Is it a crime against Allah for me to WANT to kill someone? No. Is it a crime if I ACT on this? Yes.
Answer me this, do you consider mental illnesses to be a product of upbringing and shaytan also? If not, why?
How about physical illness like those people who cannot reproduce? Is this also a product of upbringing and shaytan?
People are born with defects (trials) from Allah swt and there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that homosexuality is not also a test. Please link evidence or I'll simply ignore your future posts if you just repeat the same thing with no evidence.
(No hate)This brother does repeat himself.
We all know it's wrong so some people just need to stop saying its wrong it's wrong! Bring evidence from Quran so the brother is satisfied with the answer (even if he isn't happy with the answer hel know that's what Allah says) and this topic wil end right now
"and your Lord treats no one with injustice” [al-Kahf 18:49]"
and
“Nay, Allaah never commands Fahshaa’ (evil deeds, unlawful sexual intercourse). Do you say of Allaah what you know not?” [al-A’raaf 7:28]
Not exactly evidence, it's merely saying that Allah never commands us to commit evil deeds... That's obvious, Allah never commands us to do anything we should not. He does however give us trials and struggles.
The rest of that message is just the sheikh's opinion, of which sheikhs disagree or certain things. Like the nose piercing thing.
Last edited by EgyptPrincess; 05-13-2016 at 06:28 PM.
Where in the Qur’ân and Sunnah does it tell us that homoseuality is unlawful?
Answered by
the Fatwa Department Research Committee - chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî
In the Qur’ân, Allah tells us that homosexuality is forbidden practice. Allah says: “The inhabitants of the city came in joy (at the news of the young men). Lot said: ‘These are my guests. Disgrace me not. But fear Allah and shame me not.’ They said: ‘Did we not forbid you from entertaining others?.’ He said: ‘These are my daughters, if you must act.’ Verily, by thy life (O Prophet), in their wild intoxication, they wander in distraction, to and fro. But the (mighty) blast overtook them at sunrise. And We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay. Behold! In this are signs for those who by tokens do understand” [Sûrah al-Hijr: 72-75]
Allah says: “We also (sent) Lot: he said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds” [Sûrah al-A`râf: 80-81]
Lot (peace be upon him) condemns them for the evil of their deed and describes it as transgression. Such descriptions are attributes of the deeds themselves. Therefore, it cannot be assumed to be a ruling only for Lot's people and not for later generations. The qualiity evil is attributed to the deed itself, and intrinsic qualities do not change with the coming of another Prophet.
Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) made it clear that homosexuality is a sin.
Even if none of this evidence were available, the practice of homosexuality would still be forbidden, simply because Islam expressly forbids any sexual contact outside of marriage.
Allah says: “And those who guard their chastity except with their spouses and those whom their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy. But those who seek something beyond this are transgressors.”
This verse clearly delineates the limits of lawful sexual activity.
Allah, in the Qur’ân, also strictly defines whom we can marry. Allah states for the man all the women that he is prohibited to marry and then says that others are permissible, while continuing to refer to those with whom it is lawful by the feminine gender. Therefore, men are restricted to marrying women and women are restricted to marrying men. [Refer to Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 23-25]
It must also be clarified here that the sin is the practice of homosexuality, not a person's inner feelings or desires. A Muslim is rewarded for restraining his or her unlawful desires to please Allah.
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