Orlando Shooting - Young man with Extreme Mind

**strivingobserver98** · 06-13-2016

After recent events in Orlando , an incident from the life of one of my inspirations, the great Egyptian scholar, Shaykh Muhammad Mitawally al- Sha'rawy came to mind.

Sheikh al-Sharawy said:

I once spoke with a young man who has a mind that was quite extreme, I asked him:

"Blowing up a nightclub or immoral place with people inside, is it halal or haram?"

Young Man:

"Of course halal and permissible to kill them."

Shaykh Sha'rawi:

"If you kill them while they are disobeying God what will happen to them or where will they go?"

Young Man:

"Of course they will go to hell."

Shaykh Sha'rawi:

"Where does the devil want to take them?"

Young Man:

"Of course to hell, because it is the goal of the devil"

Shaykh Sha'rawi:

"Then you and the devil cooperate in a goal, to take humans to the hellfire."

Then Shaykh also reminded him of the Hadith of the Prophet.

When a corpse of an individual had past before him he stood up and cried, and the Sahaba around him asked

"What makes you weep O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Another soul has escaped from me and go to hell!"

Shaykh:

"Can you see the difference between you and the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him)? The want of guidance for all mankind and save them from hell, you are on one side and He(may peace and blessings be upon him) was of the other!"

May God bless Shaykh Sha'rawi.

- Mikhaael Mala

**noraina** · 06-13-2016

An extreme and unstable mind. No sane person would think they're doing this for the sake of Allah, he was using Islam as an excuse to justify his actions.

I was shocked when I heard about it in the news, over 50 people killed...

**Serinity** · 06-13-2016

Some may think "they are gay, so it is ok to kill them"

So is it halal or haram? the Shaykh didn't answer the question.

Can't blame the kid.

**noraina** · 06-13-2016

Gay or not, that man didn't have any right to take the law into his own hands.

He wasn't even in a Muslim country, and even if he was, this isn't the way of the Shariah, to just open fire and kill people execution style, no questions asked, no courts of law or appointed judges. Islam is all about justice and there was no justice in this.

**sister herb** · 06-13-2016

Some may think what ever, like "they are not Muslims, so it is ok to kill them". Here are always people whose are ready to take the law into their own hands. As you may know, many extremists behave like this and they excuse their crimes sayings like "they were this and that, they made sin etc, ok let´s go to kill them".

If you make yourself a kind of judge, you deprive the opportunity to repent from the victim.

**EgyptPrincess** · 06-13-2016

50 gays got killed, big woop. 50 children die everyday from bombs being dropped on their heads.

It's not ok that they were killed obviously but it's annoying that every time people die in the west at the hand of muslims it's front page news for a week, when muslims are killed at the hands of kufr it's just another day.

**Serinity** · 06-13-2016

Well, these extremists think it is permissible.

Vigilantism is haram right? So this was haram right?

I don't go and cut off people's hand for stealing a TV. Although a thief's hand is to be cut off. There are rules tho. Only a Qari has the right to judge like that. Right?

one can't really blame those extremists. People need to educate themselves.

Idk if the killer was Muslim, but if he was, then I feel sorry for him. As for the gays, I have a hard time feelings sorry for gays.

**sister herb** · 06-13-2016

You don´t need to strugle to feel sorry for gays specially. It´s enough to feel sorry for fellow human beings.

**jabeady** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by sister herb

You don´t need to strugle to feel sorry for gays specially. It´s enough to feel sorry for fellow human beings.

I'm neither Muslim nor gay, but thank you.

**EgyptPrincess** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by sister herb

You don´t need to strugle to feel sorry for gays specially. It´s enough to feel sorry for fellow human beings.

Sweetie people die everyday by the thousands, our hearts can't accommodate them all. People died yes it's tragic but do we really need to try and feel sorry for them?

Admit it, you don't feel "sorry" for them, you didn't even know them. You just think you should feel sorry for them because that is what social protocol says we should do.

Ultimately we tend to care for people who we can relate to, family, friends etc. Anyone who says they genuinely feel sorry for a bunch of gay strangers is lying, or they're mentally ill.

**czgibson** · 06-13-2016

Greetings,

Killing innocent people is wrong. If you need to believe in things like the devil and hellfire to make you realise this, then you have a deeply flawed sense of morality.

Yet another mass murder has occurred in the name of Islam, and that's a very sad thing for all of us. As human beings, we all need to do better than this.

Originally Posted by Serinity

one can't really blame those extremists. People need to educate themselves.

Idk if the killer was Muslim, but if he was, then I feel sorry for him. As for the gays, I have a hard time feelings sorry for gays.

Look at the disgusting attitudes your beliefs have led you towards. Fifty of your fellow human beings are dead for no good reason. Do you think saying things like this makes you part of the problem or part of the solution?

Peace

**EgyptPrincess** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

Killing innocent people is wrong. If you need to believe in things like the devil and hellfire to make you realise this, then you have a deeply flawed sense of morality.

Yet another mass murder has occurred in the name of Islam, and that's a very sad thing for all of us. As human beings, we all need to do better than this.

Look at the disgusting attitudes your beliefs have led you towards. Fifty of your fellow human beings are dead for no good reason. Do you think saying things like this makes you part of the problem or part of the solution?

Peace

Cry me a river.

Innocent people are killed in the name of Islam, innocent people are killed in the name of democracy, innocent people are killed in the name of freedom, innocent people are killed all around the globe for a multitude of things. To only be outraged when it's in the name of Islam is incredibly biased.

And for your information the number of innocents killed at the hands of muslims is tiny compared to the amount of innocent muslims killed by others.

I'm not saying we should not care about innocent lives but this is such a common occurrence in Muslim lands that it's just another day... It's so rare in the west that when it happens, it's mass hysteria. Now imagine this type of killing of innocents happening every single day.

Don't you dare talk to us about morality. For every life a Muslim radical takes, a western government has taken 500.

**noraina** · 06-13-2016

Two wrongs don't make a right.

It breaks my heart when I see the state of Syria, Palestine, and the lives of so many people snatched away without a second thought. And it does annoy me, upset me, when I see the hypocrisy of the media, and the way they prefer to turn a blind eye to plight of these people because for them Muslim lives don't mean much and aren't worth reporting.

But it doesn't make this right.

And whether the whole world goes crazy reporting it or I'm the only one to mourn it, murder is murder and is wrong and unjust, whoever does it - whatever anyone else thinks or does about it.

**EgyptPrincess** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by noraina

I'm the only one to mourn it

Oh please... you've not shed a single tear for them and you know it. You'll forget this even happened in a few days lol.

But you're right in saying these things should not happen. It's wrong, through and through.

**noraina** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

Oh please... you've not shed a single tear for them and you know it. You'll forget this even happened in a few days lol.

But you're right in saying these things should not happen. It's wrong, through and through.

You're right, I don't know these people personally, but I do mourn the miscarriage of justice this so obviously is, and the way Islam has been used to justify it.

As Muslims we should mourn injustice and oppression - our Muslims brothers and sisters are going through hell at the moment in their own countries, and that angers me, and it also angers me when these people hijack the name of Islam and do acts like these. As I said, wrong is wrong, whoever has done it and whoever is the victim of it.

**Bhabha** · 06-13-2016

What annoys me is that if that person had a white sounding name... It would be from mental instability.

**czgibson** · 06-13-2016

Greetings EgyptPrincess,

Maybe when you're a bit older you'll realise how ignorant your comments are here.

Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

Cry me a river.

Innocent people are killed in the name of Islam, innocent people are killed in the name of democracy, innocent people are killed in the name of freedom, innocent people are killed all around the globe for a multitude of things. To only be outraged when it's in the name of Islam is incredibly biased.

Who says any of us is only outraged when it's in the name of Islam?

And for your information the number of innocents killed at the hands of muslims is tiny compared to the amount of innocent muslims killed by others.

Irrelevant. Killing of innocents is always wrong.

I'm not saying we should not care about innocent lives but this is such a common occurrence in Muslim lands that it's just another day... It's so rare in the west that when it happens, it's mass hysteria. Now imagine this type of killing of innocents happening every single day.

It does happen every day. That's a terrible thing. What are you arguing about?

Don't you dare talk to us about morality. For every life a Muslim radical takes, a western government has taken 500.

As I'm not a member of a Western government, this is another irrelevance.

As for morality, if you rely on the threat of devils and hellfire to prevent people from doing wicked actions, that is obedience, not morality, and I have no hesitation in saying so, with or without your permission.

Peace

**Serinity** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

Killing innocent people is wrong. If you need to believe in things like the devil and hellfire to make you realise this, then you have a deeply flawed sense of morality.

Yet another mass murder has occurred in the name of Islam, and that's a very sad thing for all of us. As human beings, we all need to do better than this.

Look at the disgusting attitudes your beliefs have led you towards. Fifty of your fellow human beings are dead for no good reason. Do you think saying things like this makes you part of the problem or part of the solution?

Peace

I don't need you lecturing me around. I know already what is right and wrong. Not my problem that you are ignorant not to know that this is wrong.

Or ignorant enough to think this is what Islam teaches. I don't like gays tho.

Islam teaches only good things. I remain objective, not subjective.

I know killing innocents is wrong. But I don't have the capacity to mourn over people I hardly know.

**sister herb** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

Admit it, you don't feel "sorry" for them, you didn't even know them. You just think you should feel sorry for them because that is what social protocol says we should do.

No. We should try to feel sorry because humanity says we should to.

I afraid the world where people´s hearts have became so cold that they don´t feel deep sadness and despair when they hear about such terror acts and tragedies, just same who was the victim and where. Lack of the humanity is the worst what can ever happen to the humankind. It´s the most direct way what drives us away from any kind of morality - also the morality what religion teaches to us.

Ok. It´s Ramadan. Rant stopped. May Allah protect us all.

**EgyptPrincess** · 06-13-2016

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings EgyptPrincess,

Maybe when you're a bit older you'll realise how ignorant your comments are here

Who says any of us is only outraged when it's in the name of Islam?

Irrelevant. Killing of innocents is always wrong.

It does happen every day. That's a terrible thing. What are you arguing about?

As I'm not a member of a Western government, this is another irrelevance.

As for morality, if you rely on the threat of devils and hellfire to prevent people from doing wicked actions, that is obedience, not morality, and I have no hesitation in saying so, with or without your permission.

Peace

My point being, where is your outrage when Muslim civilians are killed? Where is the west's outrage? It seems that every time mass slaughter of Muslim civilians occurs, it goes unnoticed. When the mass slaughter of non believers happens, it makes headline news. Do you not see the double standard?

Yes killing innocents is wrong but to us, this is just another day... Innocents by the hundreds die everyday so I'm sorry for not crumbling to the floor in tears for the loss of these 50 adults.