This weekend I was attending the Rukya Seminar in London, this was my second time attending.
The Course I am taking specifically deals with cases of possession. The method follows the strict sunnah according to ahadeeth of when the Prophet pbuh performed rukya on persons who were possessed.
In contrast to todays practitioners who use questionable methods and violence in order to exorcise the jinn, we find in most cases the exorcisms were unsuccessful and more often than not - caused the person patient harm. In some cases, women lost their unborn child due to the practitioner kicking the woman in her stomach repeatedly. And worse. Not going to mention how worse here. But I have seen the evidence and it is disturbing
In the Muslim world, we have no regulation when it comes to rukya.
in sha Allah, this is about to change.
In the UK, we are attempting to learn how to do rukya the authentic and little known way, where reciting ayaat is not even necessary - as per the sunnah of the prophet pbuh when he exorcised jinn from the affected. Of course, reciting ayaat is beneficial and a form of rukya in itself, and we do recite ayaat - but we know it is not necessary and the method relies more on other factors than the recitation itself.
Yes, I know, it was shocking for me to learn. And though I have read Ibn Taymiyyah Essay on the Jinn by Abu Bilal Ameena Philips, I found the work to be totally confuddling and contradictory in places of importance - and so - I reject that work in lieu of what I am learning now which makes a lot of sense and follows the same method which the prophet Muhammad pbuh followed.
As I mentioned above, this method is little known and rare in the world today, and we seek to revive it for the sake of Allah.
If anyone is living in and around London area and would like to get involved and learn Rukya, (Brothers Only), shoot me a PM in sha Allah.
Can you provide the name of your teacher? Will he only be teaching in London and surrounding areas? Does he have a network outside of that area? I'd like my husband to connect, we do have family in the UK, but travel isn't feasible right now.
Before you join on IB there was a rukya practitioner in forum. From what I know he is also speaker in rukya seminar. Frankly, I remember him and begin to thinking, does he speak in this seminar too?. ... But, he is from Luton.
I heard once - a long time ago - that the Saahireen (magicians) are more easily able to affect with Sihr someone whose head is uncovered. A person who goes around bare-headed is more susceptible to Sihr, and that's the reason why the magicians of old use to wear hats. (Wizard hats? Ever wondered why all wizards need their wizard hat?)
Before you join on IB there was a rukya practitioner in forum. From what I know he is also speaker in rukya seminar. Frankly, I remember him and begin to thinking, does he speak in this seminar too?. ... But, he is from Luton.
walakum salaam akhi
it may be him, Allahu alam - my teacher is also from Luton do you have a link to the ex-members profile?
Can you provide the name of your teacher? Will he only be teaching in London and surrounding areas? Does he have a network outside of that area? I'd like my husband to connect, we do have family in the UK, but travel isn't feasible right now.
In sha Allah, thru PM the course is offered to those of us who have done the hijama course and completed it to qualify and to those who are involved in rukya and wish to learn the authentic method.
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On the subject of wearing a hat:
I heard once - a long time ago - that the Saahireen (magicians) are more easily able to affect with Sihr someone whose head is uncovered. A person who goes around bare-headed is more susceptible to Sihr, and that's the reason why the magicians of old use to wear hats. (Wizard hats? Ever wondered why all wizards need their wizard hat?)
Allaahu A`lam if it's true or not. Possibly.
والسلام
i dont know..really... buuuut.. if i had to guess..
its like a door. you just have to figure out what the door was and keep it closed.
usually its bad habits and compulsions that lead to.. bad habits and compulsions.. or worse.
a clouding of the mind.. a depravity of thought..
the easiest and the hardest way is to dissociate yourself from your own thoughts.
but even then there are worse things out there.. and they will remind you of it.
but you know... its on you...
if you asked anyone who has proper knowledge of islam they would say its not anything you need to know.
its pursuit is not something you need to do.
and even if you consider it patronising.. it is not a viewpoint without merits and respect.
short answers.
a lot of young relatives sit infront of shieks..
and they tell me about people that get absolutely demolished for asking stupid questions..
I checked the thread you linked and thought "sounds like my teacher" but the part about destroying taweez was not to his method. So I contacted my teacher and he informed me it is not himself
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
With all the amulet threads and confusions about the permissibility of taweez etc - I find many here just like to copy past stuff from the web and then lay the claim to authority. Authority from the WEB we are a people, who are ignorant.
Which is why courses such as these help to educate us as to what Rukya is, and why taweez do not fall into this category. And with clear explanations, definitions and practical examples of all taweez being shirk.
Some brothers mentioned in the old threads how wearing taweez was permissible because children didn't know how to read or write in those days - well - neither did most adults, but that's NOT THE POINT - the Qur'an is to be RECITED. Anyone can learn to recite - I say one ayaat, you repeat after me - you learn the dua or the ayaat, and you can seek protection for yourself - why does one need taweez? The argument the brothers pushed for the unlearnt wearing taweez is therefore a weak argument and totally impractical today as we can all learn to recite very easily on our mobile phones, computers, ipads and androids etc.
Taweez - Shirk. End of Subject.
Rukya for jinn possession - on point in this thread in sha Allah.
I do have a question for you. Did you learn what the best thing to do is when a person suspects they have been afflicted with sihr (no jinn possession) but cannot reach a ruqya center? There must be something a person can do for themselves correct? At the very least to lessen the effects until they can reach further help I would think.
I think those who run into this thread will benefit from that kind of information.
In the UK, we are attempting to learn how to do rukya the authentic and little known way, where reciting ayaat is not even necessary - as per the sunnah of the prophet pbuh when he exorcised jinn from the affected. Of course, reciting ayaat is beneficial and a form of rukya in itself, and we do recite ayaat - but we know it is not necessary and the method relies more on other factors than the recitation itself.
Scimi
What do you mean? I thought reciting was 90% of what rukya is about? And what other methods are used?
I checked the thread you linked and thought "sounds like my teacher" but the part about destroying taweez was not to his method. So I contacted my teacher and he informed me it is not himself
Scimi
There are more than one rukya practitioner in Luton, I think.
its just a hat dude.. ......no actually they are magic..9.99 for you!no i read somewhere.. cover your head for fear of your lord..although i really cant remember where...its just a hat dude.
Seeing the shoe of Hz imam malik rh the jinn left the possessed girl... I think they can't face the people of taqwa
What do you mean? I thought reciting was 90% of what rukya is about? And what other methods are used?
The Qur'an is rukya - we do not dispute this at all.
The question is about method. There was a clear method which the Prophet Muhammad pbuh utilised in performing rukya for the possessed. This method (and you can check this from the ahadeeth) the Prophet pbuh utilised did not require the recitation of Qur'an.
To further prove that ayaat for recitation over a possessed person are unneccesary - I ask you to look at the cases of possession from the pre-Islamic period of Jahilliyah in Arabia, and other nations whcih all had exorcism taking place - how did they exorcise the jinn? with Quranic ayaat before their revelation? The question is a good one, right? makes one think and become a little uncomfortable in their bias, right? Truth is never convenient.
How did the Prophet pbuh exorcise jinn? One case I will mention in sha Allah.
A woman came to the Prophet pbuh and told him her son (or nephew) was crazy, so the prophet pbuh asked her to fetch him. She went to where the animals were grazing, as she had left her son (or nephew) there, so she made him wear clean clothes and took him to the prophet pbuh. The prophet pbuh said "bring his back to me" so the young man was presented with his back to the prophet pbuh. The prophet then slapped the young man on his back forcefully and commanded the jinn "leave him oh enemy of Allah" and the boys face brightened up and he became free of the possession. From that day forth, he was the most regular in salaat in masjid.
Where were the Qur'anic Ayaat?
We are not saying "do not perform rukya with quranic ayaat" - NO - quite the opposite, Qur'anic ayaat are definietely a form of healing for both, physical and spiritual sicknesses. This is not the issue - the issue is, ignoring the method in lieu of just recitiation because this was never the sunnah of rukya for possession. The sunnah has a method to it. And modern day raqhi's do not follow any method which I can see as authentic.
My teacher performs rukya according to the method of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and also recites the Qur'an over patients as well - he does not tell us to never recite ayaat - quite the contrary, he tells us it is beneficial to do so, but to remember, the method is what allows the raqhi to know if there is a jinn, what type of jinn personality, and where it is located in the body and if there are more than one - and he method can make these jinn manifest in the person within a matter of moments. Contrast to raqhi's who recite for hours on end without getting a reaction out of the patient and you find, the cause is not understanding the method.
The method is very insightful and interesting and cannot be written about - it has to be witnessed and learnt practically.
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