Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Excellent premise for a thread, and it's got my interest.

Hopefully I will come back later to reply to this and add some thing in sha Allah.

But for now, time to make some food. in sha Allah

Scimi

EDIT:

Before I pop off, I just wanted to lay some foundation here first.

According to the Old Testament Torah, the book of Genesis describes 4 rivers of Paradise on earth, and names them thus: Pishon, Gihon, Euphrates and Tigris.

Euphrates and Tigris are still here... but what happened to Gihon and Pishon?

Stay tuned to find out in sha Allah.

Scimi

#2) Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold, for which people would fight. Ninety-nine out of each one hundred would die but every man amongst them would say that perhaps he would be the one who would be saved (and thus possess this gold).

Muslim Shareef
The Book of Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour
Hadith Number: 6918

Source used: https://www.facebook.com/notes/madin.../411928966836/

A few questions for your brains to also process and teach me what i haven't come up with.

Where would this mountain of gold be revealed? From historical findings we know large parts of modern day Syria has had civilizations and also modern day Iraq. As a Kurd myself having spent sometime in trying to find out historical facts where the Kurds came from..my conclusion has ended me to Mesopotamia as their source of origin itself and not nomads as some have claimed.

Mesopotamia: http://www.crystalinks.com/AkkadMap.jpg

Here another picture that depicts somehow something similar..

Mesopotamia: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nglish.svg.png

Looking at how Kurds see the modern day "the Greater Kurdistan"...

http://www.institutkurde.org/images/...ps/ckur100.gif

Here another picture..

http://schema-root.org/region/middle.../kurdistan.gif

As you can see something very similar to historical Mesopotamia. I also saw some of the things pointing at the origin of Mesopotamia..being Prophet Nuh (as) and his boat coming to a halt on mount Judi. This is the HEART of the greater Kurdistan. Which logically speaking would explain why Mesopotamia is branded as cradle of civilization. Also many empires have risen and perished in and around Mesopotamia.

So why do i say all this? Well all those empires that have risen and perished one could MAYBE pinpoint the location where the mountain of gold would be revealed. However the question again is, who will be the ones that will fight for that treasure? As right now Euphrates starts in Kurdish area of Turkey in hands of the Turks and Kurdish held area by YPG of northern Syria also parts in the hands of Syrian army and Turkish Army. Then it slowly coming in ISIS territory. At the end being in southern Iraq by majority being Shia Arabs.

IF this would still be within the time that ISIS has control over some land, be fought among groups or among people of a group? Reading that hadith looks like among people of a certain group.

Gold by mass is heavy, so it would sink to the bottom if thrown in. Is the amount of gold by sudden waves slowly brought to a certain place or is all that gold some day just dumped by an empire? If we look at google maps..the Euphrates river becomes very narrow from "Al-Thawrah". However is that the most deep spot of the Euphrates?

Also which kind of group would kill their own brothers to achieve gold? Among Turks? Arabs? Kurds? ISIS members?

This also confirms yet another thing. The people among themselves will have no taqwa. As they be willing to kill one another for for dunya. If they might be Muslims, they both ending in hellfire as this reminds me of the hadith that if a Muslim kills another Muslims both ending up in hell fire. As the murdered killed and the dead one intended to kill the one who was alive.

Questions..questions..questions..

What is interesting is that The Prophet prohibited us from taking any of the gold. I wonder, why?

And Allah knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Which logically speaking would explain why Mesopotamia is branded as cradle of civilization.

Just to clarify for you bro Simple_Person,

During the time of Nuh Alaihis Salaam, when the ark settled, it was now up to his three sons to repopulate the earth with their wives.

Nuh Alaihis Salaam had three sons. Ham, Shem and Yafith, may Allah be well pleased with them all, ameen.

Ham settled what we know as Sudan/Egypt area today


Shem settled in Babylon.

Yafith went to the wild lands north of Judi, (through the Caucuses) and settled there.

According to historians, there is no single cradle of civilisation, but mulitple ones - they name these three specifically. While claiming in the same breath that we descended from apes

They say our common ancestor is an ape, and that there is no proof that we descended from a trio of genetic donors, ala Ham Shem and Yafith.

So I ask them, name me the main blood groups, and they say A, B, O and a fourth group which occurs from genetic mixing of two of the previous groups. So in the main they cite, A,B and O.

I ask them to explain, HOW? they say they do not know. I say - Ham Shem and Yafith.

Badabing Badaboom.

Anyway, no single cradle of civilisation - but multiple ones, always multiple ones. You'll see this if you study history bro.

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With regards to the Mountain of Gold being fought over in the Euphrates.

Bro, you ever heard the term: "Fools Gold" ????

Guess what? that meaning just took on a whole other meaning

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Well one thing could be, as killing will take place might be one of the reasons. So we kill people to gain ownership over the gold while in Islam killing somebody is ONLY out of defense and also when somebody is sentenced to death according to certain laws. While killing people to gain ownership has nothing to do with Islam right?

Killing people for transient material gain is one of the vilest things one can do.. Not Islamic at all. If I had to do that, such gold would be worthless to me. Cause I wouldn't feel at peace to kill humans for some material gain.

There is also Offensive Jihad - which is not to be confused with barbaric acts. I.e. killing innocents, or mindlessly invading countries. Afaik. Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.

Allahu alam.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Nuh (as) had also more people with him. I have heard maybe not more than 80 followers. So it wasn't just his own family. But much appriciated that you gave me the information regarding the re population of his sons. I did not know that.

I hear a lot of things bro. I prefer to look at things from an unbiased perspective - I even eye ahadeeth with suspicion bro. I need more than just the records of men. I need the sciences. I need the histories. I need the ologies which come with these two studies to be understood to at least a basic level so I can know what I am looking at, and not fool myself due to an pre-supposed bias. If, after all this, what I find is consistent with hadeeth - bro, I'm convinced.

It may seem as though I am off topic here, but was China ever considered a Muslim nation?

And if not, then how is it that within their Chinese Language Characters, there is a theme of continuity which alludes to Ancient Chinese being descended from Monotheism?

Too cryptic? Let me shed some more light on this in sha Allah.

The Chinese character for BOAT, is a boat with 8 figures on it - and the history of the character is "flood myth".

So who are the 8?

Nuh and his wife, his three sons and their wives? (PBUT) looks like it.

Here, check it out:

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Very interesting - I had no idea that Chinese characters have their roots in ancient biblical lore.



If that got you thinking, then watch these.




Blew my mind.

Scimi

I would spend a lot more time explaining the coding of Chinese characters and the history of humanity. The Chinese characters are coded with stories from the Prophets pbut - but for all purposes intended, this is enough for now, and I'd rather come back to the topic itself and expand more on Euphrates, Tigris, Pishon and Gihon in sha Allah.

Scimi

Assalamu alaykum,

This is such an interesting discussion, I'm reading through it closely.

Me and my sister often talk about similar topics and make it a point to research them - I can't say we ever find conclusive evidence all the time, but just gaining the knowledge that is available is worth it.

I do focus on the mainstream Islamic studies to further my more practical knowledge of the deen, but the area of the philosophical sides of hadiths and Islamic theology and eschatology is fascinating to study. Often the difficulty is in finding authentic information, particularly on the internet.

format_quote Originally Posted by noraina

particularly on the internet.

yet,

here we are

Walakum salaam

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

So all in all I have found almost no Muslims who are interested in the discussion of the end times. It is very illogical and irrational to not talk about it. The only scholar that I have found that talks about it actively as his main subject is Sheikh Imran Hosein.

They are, I am sure...

I did post, maybe about a year back something about this - discussion on end times. I quoted from a site. The author did mention that of one the biggest (if not the biggest topic in the Quran is about that) and he was saying that our ulammas and scholars have largely refused to look into them. I felt he had a strong point, very valid and points to an area we muslims have ignored.

However, because he pointed out lack of knowledge of our ulammas and scholars, it was not very well received by our mods. I can understand that. But he was not rude against our ulammas, merely pointing out strongly that this topic has been ignored and will remain being ignored.

Sad.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Btw, Sheikh Imran Hossein thinks mountain of gold is oil, which i do not agree with him but everybody is entitled to their opinion off course.

One thing about him though, is that he builds his arguments very well. It is well researched and he dares to stick his neck out to say. He is not foretelling but he is warning. Allah will dispense whatever He wills. He uses the Quran as a guide and he tries to decipher messages that is written in the Quran itself. I hope other scholars can learn from him and develop it.

I have noticed over the years, as new information becomes available and understanding goes deeper, Imran Hossein has also shifted his views... or more correctly put, made adjustments. But overall, what I like about what he is doing is that he is challenging people to think.

Alhamdulillah for that.