Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

format_quote Originally Posted by aaj

That maybe one possibility, however, I think it will be more than that. A mountain of gold is a lot, considering just a gram of it fetches you about $2000 these days. Imagine grabbing a handful of it, that alone will be enough for you to start your own business, move to another land, etc.

I think the mass killing will be done by the ISIS against all those who try to get some of it, be it locals or foreigners, governments or citizens, civilians or armed forces/intelligence agencies.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1333/hist...100-year-chart

Maybe when times comes, it will be even worth more than what you just said.

It could indeed be and a sort of a confirmation of my theory of that mountain of gold being wiping out munafiq, extremists, non-Muslims who are attacking Islam..you name it.

Oke, so far what we already have witnessed in the recent history with the coming of ISIS. We have seen extremists join them and thus Muslims being slowly cleansed from large groups of khwarij-mentality kind of people. We also have seen many munafiq among Muslims in the Middle East but also around the rest of the world finally have their "excuse" to distance themselves from Islam. Also we have seen Muslims who were pro-some "Islamic" leader seeing doing nothing according to Islam when people are being oppressed. The only thing they think about is power and control..and greed.

When mountain of gold comes further of the cleansing might take place. We also have seen with Yazidi's being attacked and killed. I am myself a Muslim Kurd, but during Saddam era when he was killing Kurds, they sided with Saddam against the Kurds. When ISIS attacked them, on tv you heard some say..we don't trust the Arabs anymore. While MANY Kurds well over some decades ago had already lost their trust in Iraqi Arabs. So all those time this large part of the yazidi's trusted the Iraqi nationalist Arabs and oppressed the Kurds with Saddam in that time.

Anyways Allah(swt) doesn't forget anything but the punishment comes in time. Now we also see many of these people who would sell out their soul to the highest bidder have immigrated to the west. Also with the Yazidi's because they were in such a closed community nobody could learn about Islam or marry a Muslim as they would kill those who dared. So for the honest yazidi's who are truly searching for the truth, this might be even a blessing. As they no longer are being oppressed by their community because it has been split that prohibits them to learn about Islam or want to deviate from their ancestors religion.

So while many see destruction of Muslims, i see largely cleansing of Muslims. For true Muslims that were on the wrong path, it became a wake up call to go back to Allah(swt). Many people who were not Muslims have started to learn more about Islam as day in and day out Islam..Islam..Islam is on the tv.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Narrated By Zainab bint Jahsh : The Prophet got up from his sleep with a flushed red face and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe to the Arabs, from the Great evil that is nearly approaching them. Today a gap has been made in the wall of Gog and Magog like this." (Sufyan illustrated by this forming the number 90 or 100 with his fingers.) It was asked, "Shall we be destroyed though there are righteous people among us?" The Prophet said, "Yes, if evil increased."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 088, Hadith Number 181.

Source used: http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahi...umber-181.html

Brother, what always has puzzled me and i have never mentioned it before to anyone, but i don't understand it. Why did Rasullah(saws) say "woe to the Arabs"?. I mean Rasullah(saws) has come to humanity starting with the Arabs. But to me it looks as if he was hinting ..that the destruction of the Arabs is coming. Or do i see it in a wrong perspective?

This is quiet difficult Allahul aalam what it meant.

But with Allah's given knowledge we can guess that INSPITE of the greatest and Seal of Prophets has been sent to the Arabs with a clear book in their own language but after few generations that Arabs fail to take this advantage but have fallen fighting for Dunya which is worst things than others IMO

if kafirs do that its not worst as a Muslim who beleives in Akirah does it. like we see being pointed in many hadiths like this which was Prophet was worried about when he prophesied the wealth & pleasures will be opened for these illiterate camel herders ( but most of them did NOT understand except the Rightly guided Caliphas and the top Sahabas the bestownment on them by Allah and that was a test too)

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 24 :: Hadith 544

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri :
Once the Prophet sat on a pulpit and we sat around him. Then he said, "The things I am afraid of most for your sake (concerning what will befall you after me) is the pleasures and splendors of the world and its beauties which will be disclosed to you." Somebody said, "O Allah's Apostle! Can the good bring forth evil?" The Prophet remained silent for a while. It was said to that person, "What is wrong with you? You are talking to the Prophet (p.b.u.h) while he is not talking to you." Then we noticed that he was being inspired divinely. Then the Prophet wiped off his sweat and said, "Where is the questioner?" It seemed as if the Prophet liked his question. Then he said, "Good never brings forth evil. Indeed it is like what grows on the banks of a water-stream which either kill or make the animals sick, except if an animal eats its fill the Khadira (a kind of vegetable) and then faces the sun, and then defecates and urinates and grazes again. No doubt this wealth is sweet and green. Blessed is the wealth of a Muslim from which he gives to the poor, the orphans and to needy travelers. (Or the Prophet said something similar to it) No doubt, whoever takes it illegally will be like the one who eats but is never satisfied, and his wealth will be a witness against him on the Day of Resurrection."

none of you know what you are talking about

Scimi

@Simple_Person

Bro you are good at research and deductions and so does this hadith speak about isis who are known to represent black flags ?

TRIALS _ SLAP TO EEMAAN


Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
When we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah (?), he talked about periods of trial (fitnahs), mentioning many of them.When he mentioned the one when people should stay in their houses, some asked him: Messenger of Allah, what is the trial (fitnah) of staying at home? He replied: It will be flight and plunder. Then will come a test which is pleasant. Its murkiness is due to the fact that it is produced by a man from the people of my house, who will assert that he belongs to me, whereas he does not, for my friends are only the God-fearing. Then the people will unite under a man who will be like a hip-bone on a rib. Then there will be the little black trial which will leave none of this community without giving him a slap, and when people say that it is finished, it will be extended. During it a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, so that the people will be in two camps: the camp of faith which will contain no hypocrisy, and the camp of hypocrisy which will contain no faith. When that happens, expect the Antichrist (Dajjal) that day or the next

format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm

@Simple_Person

Bro you are good at research and deductions and so does this hadith speak about isis who are known to represent black flags ?

TRIALS _ SLAP TO EEMAAN


Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
When we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah (?), he talked about periods of trial (fitnahs), mentioning many of them.(1)When he mentioned the one when people should stay in their houses, some asked him: Messenger of Allah, what is the trial (fitnah) of staying at home? He replied: It will be flight and plunder. (2) Then will come a test which is pleasant. Its murkiness is due to the fact that it is produced by a man from the people of my house, (3) who will assert that he belongs to me, whereas he does not, for my friends are only the God-fearing. (4) Then the people will unite under a man who will be like a hip-bone on a rib. Then there will be (5) the little black trial which will leave none of this community without giving him a slap, (6) and when people say that it is finished, (7) it will be extended. (8) During it a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, so that the people will be in two camps: the camp of faith which will contain no hypocrisy, and the camp of hypocrisy which will contain no faith. When that happens, expect the Antichrist (Dajjal) that day or the next

Sorry, i had just woken up and understood your comment wrong. Logically speaking you COULD say that it fits the picture but Allah knows best as many hadith we could apply to the current world events while truth maybe it is for later events in the future. About the hadith (1) about flight and plunder, i am not sure how to understand this and not knowing, better not saying anything as i have no clue to it. (2) Look at many of us, we stay at home while the Ummah is being cleansed of those khawarij-mentality guys. Many of us follow what is going on via all kind of (social) media and educate ourselves through Forums and other means. We are being educated through the lies of the ones that are attacking Islam. Many of us have started to question things we do day in and day out. Many of us, just me for example, not even 4 years ago...i was full of nationalism while right now alhamdulillah i do not care about my own culture and this nationalistic feeling. All rubbish as NOTHING will help me in the grave and on the Day of Judgement. We have stayed home while we as a Ummah are being cleaned and getting stronger with Imaan and genuine people who really follow Islam. (3) I have HEARD that Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has claimed he is from the house of Rasullah(saws), i am not sure if you can confirm that. If so, then one COULD conclude that this applies to him. As he is killing, Muslims, Christians, Jews..Atheist, ..just everybody. Earlier in the hadith, Rasullah(saws) says "murkiness" which is something that is not clear but also not unclear. So rather doubt as doubt doesn't mean yes or no. As these recent years many have doubted..are they really pro-Islam or not?

(4) This part rather confuses me. Did Rasullah(saws) meant another man will come or did he say the same man?

(5) This part one could also apply to ISIS as every house hold has had to deal with ISIS and people questioning what is going on..is this Islam?

(6) This could mean that after Raqa and Mosul victory we(Muslims) MIGHT think ISIS finally has been defeated and we are ridden of them. However just recently i read two news articles that within a safe place i think Abu ad Dhur west of Aleppo, ISIS 2 has risen...although i am not sure as news is "news" supporting the ones who want you to believe something.

(7) If Rasullah(saws) says it will be extended, till he even says "dajjal"..that is rather shocking to me. Because this logically one could say will stay even during malhama (great war) and Mahdi till these people join dajjal.

Which remind me of this..

"When `Ali killed the Khawarij, someone said: "Praise be to Allah Who has brought them down and relieved us from them." Ali replied: "Verily, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, some of them are still in the loins of men and they have not been born yet, and the last of them will fight on the side of the Antichrist.""

Source used: http://www.-----------/publication/fajr/fajr.htm

Which by LOGIC one could say that with this hadith (your hadith), the train has started to leave referring to (7) "it will be extended".

(8) Off course this, many people with culture-believe in Islam, has left Islam all together..not simply leaving the prayer, but literally leaving Islam.
I have already in other topics or maybe even also in this, pointed out that ISIS has also been a blessing that it has separated Muslims from the munafiq. As the person who is a munafiq will lie about everything even if he does not believe in a God. Among Christians these people also exist. The hypocrites pretend, but they only pretend when they see some benefit in it. While not truly believing in it.

Among Muslims but also people of other faiths, this dividends with coming of ISIS has one could say also occurred. There are people i BELIEVE that say i do not want to be associated with religion anymore. "Christian, Muslim, Jewish..doesn't matter all the same".

So the two camps in the end of Christians, Muslims, Jews and other people who just simply believe in a God being in one camp and when Mahdi would appear make things clear and the other camp the one no faith full hypocrisy being followers of dajjal. Which LOGICALLY mean that Mahdi is the cleaner of doubt and confusion but only the dishonest people which follow their desires will be fallen in the trap of dajjal.

Again, this creates much confusion about when the malhama takes place..during mahdi or before him?

HOWEVER as at the start of this comment i already has pointed this out, it could be that the train has not started with ISIS, but some group that has still to come. But so far about applying this to the current events.

IF the train has run, which logically based on my current knowledge and events, i could say i am not sure if we will reach year 2050. The amount of corruption has baffled me to be honest. The Netherlands began as the FIRST country in 2001 to ACCEPT homosexuality as marriage thing. Now 16-17 years later people worldwide have started to accepted this concept. As if this was not bad enough the transgenderism corruption has come out of NOWHERE and within even less years they have been adopted worldwide as it is "not a mental disease".

https://www.rt.com/news/380973-swedi...change-gender/

The clothes people wear has become more tighter and more revealing. The mentality of guys has become more corrupt and they have seriously became slaves of their desires and it is like a addiction one could say. They cannot help themselves anymore.

A good movie that really portrays this is "shame (2011)", do be aware it is by my standards not really approved by Islamic standards. I saw this when i was still an atheist.

Just in the last week whole fight between Turkey and the Netherlands..has made me speechless that within SERIOUSLY HOURS..it had gone from Oke..to WOOW..THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY!!..

Another sort of confirmation is the amount of people who say i am Mahdi. Has risen A LOT in the last 10 years. Which by logic one could say, iblies knows more than you me till even the sahaba's. So he KNOWS exactly when the times comes for Mahdi. By creating more confusing with people saying i am Mahdi and if the real Mahdi would be pointed at..many people treating him the same as other liars and thus not follow him. I have tried to imagine that how about that the Mahdi would come after 100 years and not within 10-30 years? Logically speaking he wants to prevent people from following him so if Mahdi would come after 100 years the most people who have witnessed these false Mahdi's would have already died. So by LOGIC one could say his purpose is to create confusion among the people who will witness the arrival of him.

Based on all of this is, we as Muslims must get our personal "...." together. Really start working on ourselves. Less tv, learn how to depend on less water, less food, no electricity, gain as much knowledge as you can as when there is no electricity and no internet..much knowledge goes away. So buy ESSENTIAL books..(pocket editions) if possible. Books how to survive in nature, buy essential tools like survival knives that you see in survival shows (do your own research about it). Buying good clothes, backpack, train the body..train the mind. So if let's say something happens..you within 30 minutes have grabbed what you have prepared for it and left your home. Have made a plan already where you going, how to reach it..with whom to go, what and who to avoid.

As in the west, i have been thinking and i THINK the FIRST people that go savage will be people in the west. The rest of the world that lives in poverty..they are blessed with survival skills. I see young children going fishing as something very normal. While many adults here in the west don't know how to make bread. They know how to make money, but don't know how to make a fire. They KNOW what car to buy, but have no idea how to navigate without navigation system. They know what is the best restaurant in town, but don't know how to make a shelter.

Some people even here, would think that i am a "doomsday"-thinker. You know those prepper-guys. I am rather a realist. I say prepare for it, if it never happened in your life, ..it never happened in your life. If it has happened in your life..then it has happened but you prepared yourself for it....( "...go make allegiance to him even if you have to crawl over snow" )

Allah knows best of all of this, just my 2 cents.

format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm

So what's your view about it Bro ?

jazakallah

wa alaykum as salaam,

it's a dead subject. simply because no one has taken up on the first hint I left. Pishon, Gihon, Euphrates and Tigris. Why did I start my post of with this question?

Well, the pishon is one of the four heavenly rivers on earth which once upon an ancient time - ran through Arabia, making it green... and Arabia, in those ancient ties was the land of what?

Gold.

And y'all talking about this hadeeth.

We have ahadeeth about Mahdi AS, some of which mention how he will fill the shirts of those who ask for money with gold and silver until their shirts over flow.

What will Mahdi know that you don't?

I'm still dropping giant hint bombs here in the hope that a critical thinker will follow on from what I have left and reveal the mind blow I have decided not to.

It's time I saw some of you actually open some books that are not Qu'ran or hadeeth so you can flesh out the info within the Qur'an and hadeeth by finding applicable contexts and routes of possibility within those other books and then measure the probability via the comparative of assessment to see if you can see something others cannot.

That aside, if you are asking me what I think of the hadeeth in relation to Muslims?

Gold is gold. I don't believe it's oil. Despite what Shaikh Imran Hosein says - on this I disagree with him. 99 out of 100 will die trying to get it, and each who goes to get that gold - will think he is the 1 who will not die getting it - this shows me that those who will attempt to mine that gold - will already be aware of the ahadeeth regarding the mountain of gold - will these gold hunters be Muslim? think about it.

Sadly, if they are - then they neglect the hadeeth where prophet pbuh advised "The last hour will not arrive until the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold. Whoever finds it should take nothing from it" - again, advising the Muslim "whoever finds it should take nothing of it".

Think about it - for me it's a closed case. Seems Muslims will be fighting for that gold.

But only one will get it.

Who will be that one? Mahdi AS? or someone else?

For me it's a closed case as the ahadeeth allude to two things only:

1) gold will be discovered in the river which will cause many to lose their lives
2) only one will get that gold

nothing more to see... unless you wish to look into the four ancient rivers and their relevance to this hadeeth. Which, I do not think anyone does, so. I'm out.

Scimi

I've already dropped giant hint bombs, as mentioned above. It's time you did some "homework" instead of expecting me to do it for you. This subject is sensitive and you entertain fitan when you attempt to discuss these matters online with "google" open. I advise ordering some books on methodology and then going from there.

Good day to you and salaam

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

For you is a giant bomb, but for me as i have no knowledge about it..so is unknown to me. But thank you as that has woken up my curiosity. My digging will begin in'sha'Allah.

Ok

akhi tell me where you want me to start in sha Allah.

Scimi