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    I am kind of lost in this. I have the feeling about it, but i am not sure where to place it.

    There are people you will see in your life, you haven't even said hello or how are you doing. You don't know them and they don't know you..just by seeing their face ..you do not like them. I am sure many of us have experienced this also.

    Why is this? Is this because they lack noor? Or is it from sheytan this feeling? Or is it maybe a psychological thing?
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

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    I wonder what happens on the day of judgement when Allah asks you:

    "This man passed by you and smiled, but you did not smile back - why?"

    And you attempt to explain "I had this bad feeling and his aura..." you get cut off as an Angel is summoned with hook and chains.

    You might not like me, but know this - what I write is for the benefit of your own soul.

    And I did my duty - the rest, is up to you.

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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    I wonder what happens on the day of judgement when Allah asks you:

    "This man passed by you and smiled, but you did not smile back - why?"

    And you attempt to explain "I had this bad feeling and his aura..." you get cut off as an Angel is summoned with hook and chains.

    You might not like me, but know this - what I write is for the benefit of your own soul.

    And I did my duty - the rest, is up to you.

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    Whatever i say or not say, for you ..your obsession is knowledge. But knowledge and understanding are two separate things, yet you somehow mix them together as if they are one. Knowledge, everybody can learn, but understanding cannot be learned. This is been given.

    Good day to you and peace.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face



    What proof do you have that this Aura exists? Sure there are people I dislike just by observing them. And btw, the hadith being interesred, etc and disinterested.. I think there is something to what Simple_Person is saying.

    There are people I get along with easier and some I just don't like.

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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    lol one of my best mates said that he didnt like me the first time we met.

    ironiclly i only ever became part of the group because someone mistook me for someone else that they used to know from somewhere else..

    some people make massive effort and it shows.

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    although once i was just stood there and someone came up to me and slapped me in the face.. and asked..

    what you thinking about?

    not all strangers are equal.

    lol.. i said.. "nothing" when you know everybody its very hard to take it seriously.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    Maybe I should have used a different topic name because it is kind of misleading I guess. For me is not judging a book by its cover. Somebody might look poor, Rich ..weak.. strong..intelligent..dumb..knowledgeable ..ignorant..you name it..judge somebody by these impressions is NOT what I am talking about as this is prohibited in Islam.

    For example you see somebody looking rich and thus assume he is arrogant. Or somebody looking poor and assume is too greedy to buy himself some descent clothes. This is prohibited in Islam and also what I am not talking about. My argument is purely based on the face. No other body movements or actions done by that individual.

    Can a moderator add "by the face" to the topic name please.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face



    What proof do you have that Aura exists?

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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post


    What proof do you have that Aura exists?

    Allahu alam.
    Absolutely NONE based on objective evidence. The only "proof" that i have is people having similar experiences like me which is subjective, but still people who never have known each other having experienced something similar.

    So the aura or whatever one could call it, is something else than what i have been trying to explain. The aura/bad vibe that i said about people who are cynical when i am around such people..is something different than what i am trying to explain. The people who are cynical, are in my experience good people but have just hit a wall in their life and in this phase in their life haven't found a way over this wall. They see all things gloomy and nothing will work ..etc. etc. Still they are good people to hang out with but lost their way. Also to my experience this gloomy vibe i haven't felt for example in just few second or so when i come to know them..but it comes as you know them longer. It is like, wave patterns. When people know each other for longer periods of time their waves sync. They start to like the same things, do the same things, think the same. The moment they don't hang out with each other for longer periods, this wave pattern de-syncs. So when you are a optimistic person and you encounter a pessimistic person, the wave patterns are you could say black and white. However negative wave patterns are stronger than positive patterns and thus often one could become negative themselves.(this is based on my own observation).

    https://www.google.nl/search?q=cynic...ous&start=10&*

    The people based on their "auro/noor" of their face are totally different people which i try to talk about in this topic. They might for example not be cynical whatsoever, but something is off just seeing their face. While not even sharing one word or have seen them before in your life time.

    I ASSUMED that more people have had shared similar experience but till now only brother ardianto and him exceeding much in life compared to me, has given me a more firm stand of despite not having objective evidence that it could still exist.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    I think that the most people have similar experiencies like you but they might not call their feeling by this word (Aura). It´s difficult to explain as there isn´t right word to describe the first impression (or I don´t know it). Studies of social psychology show that we need only seconds when meet new person to create an image to our mind what kind of person he/she is but also that our prejudices may give to us wrong impression easily. Not only face but the whole body language is what makes this the first impression, as well many other things like what he/she wears. New person might be tired, shy, angry and we get feeling he/she is like this always.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    I think that the most people have similar experiencies like you but they might not call their feeling by this word (Aura). It´s difficult to explain as there isn´t right word to describe the first impression (or I don´t know it). Studies of social psychology show that we need only seconds when meet new person to create an image to our mind what kind of person he/she is but also that our prejudices may give to us wrong impression easily. Not only face but the whole body language is what makes this the first impression, as well many other things like what he/she wears. New person might be tired, shy, angry and we get feeling he7she is like this always.
    No sister, it isn't that. Because in your comment is based on judgement which again in a previous comment i explained this is prohibited to do in Islam and i am also not talking about that. What i mean is ONLY and ONLY based on the face. If i think about it..i could say there are 3 type of faces.

    Type 1: One which emanates noor/light or whatever you could say. These people you like them..if they are laughing/smiling or have a neutral face. At least that you want to do is by natural instinct to WANT to greet these kind of people. Even want to be near them or hangout with these people.

    Type 2: Neutral..it doesn't emanate noor/light but also does NOT emanate anything negative. These people are by majority you could say. When you see these people and they laugh/smile or have neutral face, you do behave the same. But further than that..nothing more. If they greet you, you greet them. Cynical people you could say also belong to this category, as they are just good people and have no harm in mind.

    Type 3: Negative you could say. These people emanate rather some negative or sinister something from their faces. I don't know how to describe it. When you see them out of good manners you greet them, but after that you want to go away from them as far as possible. These kind of people might be a handful in your life time that you encounter. Although i believe based on the amount of corruption growing on this world, these types of people will also increase.
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    I really think it is simple. You are attracted to them if you were close to them and knew them before and you are not attracted to them easily if you did not know them. Ever had that feeling you've known someone your whole life even though you just met?
    The Prophet (pbuh) said: "The souls are (like) an army joined (in the world of spirits) whichever souls knew each other (in that world) are attracted towards each other (in this world) and whichever remained distant and indifferent (there) are disinterested to each other (in this world)"
    (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Kitaab Ahaadeeth al-Anbiyaa’, Baab al-Arwaah junood mujannadah).
    I'm gonna stick to the word "vibe" instead of aura here, because it is easier to relate to (I think so anyway). When you get a good or bad vibe from somebody, it can just be your perception. I'm not a very social person and I get bad vibes from most people. Is it the people or is it me? LOL. I say the latter.

    More often than not I look down or away and keep with my business. I don't go out of my way to be super inviting or talkative, but when I am approached for whatever reason I'm friendly and smile Most would probably get a bad vibe if they come near me because I wear hijab and I don't smile much. I'm a nice lady though lol. So it would be their perception of me
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    re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth View Post
    I really think it is simple. You are attracted to them if you were close to them and knew them before and you are not attracted to them easily if you did not know them. Ever had that feeling you've known someone your whole life even though you just met?

    I'm gonna stick to the word "vibe" instead of aura here, because it is easier to relate to (I think so anyway). When you get a good or bad vibe from somebody, it can just be your perception. I'm not a very social person and I get bad vibes from most people. Is it the people or is it me? LOL. I say the latter.

    More often than not I look down or away and keep with my business. I don't go out of my way to be super inviting or talkative, but when I am approached for whatever reason I'm friendly and smile Most would probably get a bad vibe if they come near me because I wear hijab and I don't smile much. I'm a nice lady though lol. So it would be their perception of me
    We often (i am NOT pointing at you but in general) analyze things from the perspective of our knowledge. So whatever does not meet OUR standards, we brand it as non-existent. However just recently i have discovered this method of finding the method of DISPROVING with all our heart our own opinion and knowledge BUT with all honesty. Then if you have found no logical argument against your own opinion one can brand it to be the truth. While we majority of times try to find 1000 reasons why our opinion is valid which we all can off course find those 1000 reasons, but finding arguments against your opinion makes it much better learning experience and making you more humble towards people in general. Sub'han'Allah, it wasn't even my own discovery i argue. I typed it but i learned from my own comment o_O!!?? This since i have become Muslim by choice has happened often to me (learning from my own words). As i know how dumb and ignorant i am and the things that i say i acknowledge are NOT from me, the ONLY things that i do acknowledge are from me are the rubbish-comments and make no sense comments. btw, don't think that i brand myself a "special" person, from the honesty perspective i brand myself rather an ignorant idiot who questions things than any of the positive branding. Anyhow, to apply this method is getting all the information a person says or has about something.

    Brother @ardianto mentioned these things earlier
    Face is reflective of the heart. If someone is friendly and kind hearted, then his/her friendliness and kindness will be reflected on the face, and people will have good impression on him/her. But if someone is arrogant, then his/her arrogance will be reflected on the face, and people will have bad impression on him/her.
    I am not talking about face expression that can be changed anytime depend on mood and feeling. But about aura. Friendly people and arrogant people exude different aura on their faces that can affect the feeling of people who see them. That's why if we want to be loved by the others we must eliminate the arrogance from our heart.

    Nonsense?. Just try, my brother. Just try. Throw away arrogance from your heart. In Shaa Allah, you will be surprised when you see many people smile at you although you don't know them.
    I agree 100% with how he tries to define what i am trying to say, all though i think just like him we are not sure what kind of words we should use. As he used "aura"..well aura by majority is defined as something that covers the whole body. While our argument is something that emanates from the face.

    Your argument is trying to fit what we are saying in the category of that hadith. However what we argue is something that is "negative" that emanates from the face, while souls before entering this life had no such a thing a negativity as far as i know (do please correct me if i am wrong). As when a soul is born it is pure and good. Later on it becomes impure you could say as it is being corrupted with illogical and negative idea's.

    Later on in your comment you refer to the "vibe"-feeling, but still as in my previous comment to brother @Serinity (comment #27) i tried to clarify this "vibe"-feeling being totally something else than what i am trying to describe.

    So the end question for you is, COULD it be that this Simple_Person is describing something else than what i have experienced in my life? If yes..well nothing could be said as you have not experienced it yourself before or maybe have but forgotten about it.

    If no, another question is, have you experienced all the things in life a human being could somehow have experienced to be able to say such a thing does not exist? As for example, we as Muslims acknowledge something as imaan. The Muslim who has NEVER tasted imaan will NEVER understand what it is..only by definition made by other people. The moment you taste imaan is as if you have uncovered a new dimension. Suddenly nothing in this life is of importance when you are in that state. Which is a very odd thing to be saying for a Muslim who has never tasted imaan. He/she will NEVER understands how it could be that person X who has tasted imaan suddenly doesn't value money, material gain or whatever. As if person X can imagine life without time. Why i use this example is because for us human beings trying to imagine things without time is I ARGUE impossible in our current physiological state. We cannot comprehend ...no time..

    Please forgive me for making it a bit complicated as i try often to keep things simple.
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    The word "aura" can be used for various contexts, including supernatural contexts. That's why some participants in this thread assume that I am talking about superstition. But actually not. What I mean is "something in someone that cause specific impression in the eyes of people who see him, visually". People in my place call it as "aura", which not really same as karisma (charisma), and different than getaran perasaan (vibe).

    "Aura" in this context has nothing to do with supernatural. But reflection of inner beauty that reflected outside and build the image of this person in the people eyes. Indeed, this 'aura' reflected not only on face. But face holds significant portion due to gaze and expression.

    "Aura" is built on inner beauty. And we can have 'aura' that look impressive and make us look charismatic in people eyes if we can build our inner beauty.
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    I am kind of lost in this. I have the feeling about it, but i am not sure where to place it.

    There are people you will see in your life, you haven't even said hello or how are you doing. You don't know them and they don't know you..just by seeing their face ..you do not like them. I am sure many of us have experienced this also.

    Why is this? Is this because they lack noor? Or is it from sheytan this feeling? Or is it maybe a psychological thing?
    I think it's better if we back to the original question. What makes you feel you dislike someone who you meet for the first time just because his face?.

    Very possible it's because memory. You have ever met some people who make you felt uncomfortable. In example, arrogant people. Arrogant people look down on other people, it makes them have specific gaze when look at the others. Your eyes recorded it and saved it as memory in your brain, without you realize it. And when you meet someone new and you see the same gaze, the memory appear in your brain and send a signal to dislike this person.
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    I think it's better if we back to the original question. What makes you feel you dislike someone who you meet for the first time just because his face?.

    Very possible it's because memory. You have ever met some people who make you felt uncomfortable. In example, arrogant people. Arrogant people look down on other people, it makes them have specific gaze when look at the others. Your eyes recorded it and saved it as memory in your brain, without you realize it. And when you meet someone new and you see the same gaze, the memory appear in your brain and send a signal to dislike this person.
    Good observation and very plausible. As peoples gaze don't differ despite them being totally different people. But before going in to that direction, is there any hadith or something that mentions about peoples faces emanating noor? As you earlier pointed out?
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    I wonder who you will answer God on the day of judgement when HE asks you "this man smiled at you, why did you not return the courtesy?" and you reply with "I had this bad feeling and his aura..." and you get stopped mid way thru your sentence while Allah summons an angel with hook and chain to take you away?????

    Please do answer.

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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    But before going in to that direction, is there any hadith or something that mentions about peoples faces emanating noor? As you earlier pointed out?
    "Noor on face" is not literal. I have meet pious humble kindhearted people, but I didn't see their faces emit light like lamp.

    However, like I've said, inner-beauty can be emanated on face. The pious humble kindhearted people are very beautiful inside, and their inner-beauty emanated on their faces that make people love to see them. "Noor on face" is just term to described inner-beauty that emanated on face like this.
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    You don't know what Noor is then.

    it is reflected light - that in context means walking Qur'an.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    "Noor on face" is not literal. I have meet pious humble kindhearted people, but I didn't see their faces emit light like lamp.

    However, like I've said, inner-beauty can be emanated on face. The pious humble kindhearted people are very beautiful inside, and their inner-beauty emanated on their faces that make people love to see them. "Noor on face" is just term to described inner-beauty that emanated on face like this.
    Hahahah, i also meant to say that..not as if it is a lamp that can be used in the dark . But because of lack of this beauty inside they emanate something else that this "noor" with kindhearted people. Because that is my argument.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Hahahah, i also meant to say that..not as if it is a lamp that can be used in the dark . But because of lack of this beauty inside they emanate something else that this "noor" with kindhearted people. Because that is my argument.
    But there are people who believe that noor on face is literal, although they have never seen it.
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    Re: People you do not like by first impression by the face

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    But there are people who believe that noor on face is literal, although they have never seen it.
    I have once read or heard the hadith that a shahabi talking about the face of Rasullah(saws) as if it was the light of the moon emanating from it or something similar...but that is for me something that i cannot understand. Is it literally or not literally? I will try to find it and in'sha'Allah i will post it here.


    "Some of the Prophet’s Companions were given to see this light as even brighter than both the sun and moon, for when they walked with him they noticed that he cast no shadow on the ground.[10] Those who saw him in the full moon noticed that his blessed face was brighter than the moon,[11] and one of his Companions, the Lady Rubayyi‘, when asked to describe him, said, "My son, had you seen him, you would have seen the sun shining."[12]"

    Source used: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/nuremuhammadi.htm

    What is described there, i have heard it somewhere else, but it was i think something similar to that.
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