Up until now I have been fasting from sunrise to Maghrib time. Today I learned that fasting is from the start of the Fajr prayer. So my past fasting isn’t valid? Should I make up the fasting of the past?
yes he has to as his fasts are basically 'missed' as they weren't accepted
since they are owed to ALlah and hasn't been given to Him yet, they still have to be offered; it's like if we miss the deadline for paying back some borrowed money, that dont mean we dont have to pay it anymore does it?
I think its my fault that I couldnt explain what I meant. I too know that one has to make up his missed fasts since this is directly written in Quran. What I mean, how do we know that his previous fasts are not accepted or valid. He didnt miss them deliberatly but he thought it is done like that. There is a difference between. If he was misinformed about sunrise, is this regarded as his fault or is it the fault of misinformatives who simply writes sunrise in the sources without explaining the Islamic concept of sunrise which is fajr. So he thought that it is the actual sunrise. Or, even if its the fault of other, are all of his previos fasts still regarded invalid and needs to be made up? I am just curious of the correct reasoning. InshAllah Ive made myself clear.
Kaffara is when someone deliberately breaks fasts. He 'broke' them by mistake so should make up 1 for 1
You mean breaking the fast "deliberately" is "small issue" so kaffarah is the easy solution whereas breaking fast "by mistake" is "big issue, so he will have to make up for 150 fasts because he is a revert who didn't have correct knowledge of Ramadan timings? ???
Plz consult a scholar to know details of kaffarah.
Thanks bro
I think it is a similar enough situation to the ruling in this case that is in the link provided above.
Q: I have a sister who for several years did not make up the fasts that she missed because of her period, because she was unaware of the ruling, especially since some of the common folk told her that she did not have to make up the fasts that she missed. What should she do?
A: She has to make up those days, and to be on the safe side she should feed one poor person for each day. This means giving half a saa’, which is equivalent to one and a half kilograms.
I think it is a close enough ruling because I was unaware that fasting was started at the time of Fajr, just like she was unaware that she had to make up the days in Ramadan when she had her menses. It doesn’t really matter why a person was misinformed. Even if there is a lot of misinformation on the internet, that isn’t really a good enough excuse in my opinion. Something is either complete, or incomplete.
Even if a scholar says I don’t need to make up the fasts, I should make up the fasts anyway and give ½ saa’a for each day, just like the above case. I would rather be certain about it, that take the chance of getting a questionable ruling.
I read somewhere else that a saa’a is actually a measurement of volume, not weight. They had a list of the average weights of different types of food (barley, wheat, dates etc) and the weights they listed were each different from eachother…not necessarily 1 ½ kg. Even then it isn’t that much money when you calculate it using one of the common food types for the area you live in (wheat, in my case).
I believe your situation is different then hers but you know conscientious satisfaction is the most important here. Do it as you wish. May Allah accept it all.
I think its my fault that I couldnt explain what I meant. I too know that one has to make up his missed fasts since this is directly written in Quran. What I mean, how do we know that his previous fasts are not accepted or valid. He didnt miss them deliberatly but he thought it is done like that. There is a difference between. If he was misinformed about sunrise, is this regarded as his fault or is it the fault of misinformatives who simply writes sunrise in the sources without explaining the Islamic concept of sunrise which is fajr. So he thought that it is the actual sunrise. Or, even if its the fault of other, are all of his previos fasts still regarded invalid and needs to be made up? I am just curious of the correct reasoning. InshAllah Ive made myself clear.
he will get reward for his previous 'fasts' for he did fas for numbers of hours for Allah, however since he has come to know that he messed up on essential timings for a fast to be valid, this is why he has do re-do them
the fast is from dawn till sunset; any other time will not do so if a person eats by mistake during fast time, fast is broken
he can hope for reward for his past 'fasts' as he did refrain from food for ALlah, but his fasts as in acceptable full ramadan fasts, weren't valid thus he has to re-do them
i'll give you an example, say someone honestly didn't know that the money he had on him was counterfeit and he payed a debt with that, he will get reward for paying that debt for he performed the act of paying the debt with good money as far as he knew, but once it's clear to him that counterfeit money was payed, he will have to pay the debt again with real money for the person who the debt is owed to is still owing
You mean breaking the fast "deliberately" is "small issue" so kaffarah is the easy solution whereas breaking fast "by mistake" is "big issue, so he will have to make up for 150 fasts because he is a revert who didn't have correct knowledge of Ramadan timings? ???
Plz consult a scholar to know details of kaffarah.
Thanks bro
kaffara is harder bro; kafara is 60 fasts for breaking one fast and he just has to make up 1 for 1, i.e, 150; did you think 'kafara' was paying half saa? ; lol your the one who needs to learn about kaffara! ; bro you keep on putting your foot in it!
Al-Daaraqutni narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever eats in the month of Ramadaan by mistake does not have to make up that day.”
Al-Bukhaari (6669) and Muslim (1155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever forgets he is fasting and eats or drinks, let him complete his fast for it is Allaah Who has fed him and given him to drink.”
kaffara is harder bro; kafara is 60 fasts for breaking one fast and he just has to make up 1 for 1, i.e, 150; did you think 'kafara' was paying half saa? ; lol your the one who needs to learn about kaffara! ; bro you keep on putting your foot in it!
Feeding poor is easier than keeping fast for 60 days against each fast but you think otherwise. It's o.k. bro
Al-Daaraqutni narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever eats in the month of Ramadaan by mistake does not have to make up that day.”
Al-Bukhaari (6669) and Muslim (1155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever forgets he is fasting and eats or drinks, let him complete his fast for it is Allaah Who has fed him and given him to drink.”
Kaffarah or the penalty of fasting for 60 days consecutively is given only in cases where a person has intentionally broken the Ramadhan fasts by having sexual relations etc. This will not be applicable to your friend. Charity will only be given for missed fasts when a person is totally unable to observe the fast. This also will not be applicable to your friend. So, your friend must make up for all the Ramadhan fasts she has missed.
http://islamqa.org/hanafi/darululoomtt/52206
Breaking one’s fast accidently requires a makeup fast but does not necessitate expiation. This also applies to actions that one was coerced to do. Accidentally means that one remembers that one is fasting but broke the fast by one’s own doing without the intention to purposely break the fast. [Tahtawi, Hashiya al-Tahtawi; Related in Radd al-Muhtar] As such, one did not intend to break the fast; however, a situation occurred where something entered the body cavity through a normal passageway due to one’s own action whilst one was consciously aware that one was fasting. Example: Anas is making ablution for Asr prayer. He knows that he’s fasting for Ramadan today. While washing his mouth, he accidentally swallows water. He did not purposely intend to swallow water, but it mistakenly happened. Thus, his fast is vitiated because something entered the body cavity through a normal passageway while he consciously knew he was fasting. He doesn’t fall into category A because he didn’t purposely intend to do an action that would break the fast. He owes a makeup without expiation. Forgetfully Breaking the Fast If any of the actions that break the fast are performed forgetfully, then one’s fast is not vitiated. Forgetfully means that one does not have the presence of mind that one is fasting when performing the action. [Shurunbulali, Imdad al-Fattah] The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Whoever forgets that he is fasting and eats or drinks, then he still completes his fast. It is only Allah who fed him and gave him drink.” [Bukhari] In another narration, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “If a fasting person eats forgetfully, it is only provision Allah put forth to him and there is no makeup upon him.” [Bukhari] Example: Sarah is fasting for Ramadan. Suddenly, she feels thirsty. She goes into the kitchen and drinks a glass of water, completely forgetting that she’s fasting. After she finishes, she suddenly realizes that it is Ramadan and she drank something forgetfully. She was not conscious of the fact that she was fasting when she drank. Her fast is not broken according to the hadiths mentioned above. Rather, she should continue to fast for the remainder of the day. Her fast is valid and she no makeup is upon her. I hope this is clear. Barak Allah fikum. Checked & Approved by Faraz Rabbani
Jazak Allahu Khair for helping me. The links you provided were very helpful and I am certain the ruling that I need to make up the days is applicable to me. I am a convert by the way and will need to make up 150 days and pay ½ saa’a for each day.
So I should make them up as soon as possible? Except for fasting on the 2 Eids and the 3 days after Eid Al-Adha?
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Bro do not burden yourselves now , its a mistake (not intentional) so you have to fast again as soon as you are comfortable fasting it, sooner the better.
So for now fast this Ramadhan Inshallah and do not fast the six days as sunnah but substitute those 6 days for the Qadha or missed fasts . And then you may fast 2 days a week like monday , thursday (sunnah method) (and add a sunday if it you want to finish in a year)
Though there are difference in opinions whether to fast continuously or separately but that's for intentional breaking of ramadhan fasts.
Allah Ar rahman does not like see his slaves troubling too much themselves But also wants to ease his ibadah to us , just remember that . That's why Allah Ar Rahman has given tayamum , travellers shortened or combined salah and so on.
Bro do not burden yourselves now , its a mistake so you have to fast again as soon as you are comfortable fasting it, sooner the better.
So for now fast this Ramadhan Inshallah and do not fast the six days as sunnah but substitute those 6 days for the Qadha or missed fasts . And then you may fast 2 days a week like monday , thursday (sunnah method) (and add a sunday if it you want to finish in a year)
Though there are difference in opinions whether to fast continuously or separately but that's for intentional breaking of fasts.
Allah Ar rahman does not like see his slaves troubling too much themselves But also wants to ease his ibadah to us , just remember that . That's why Allah Ar Rahman has given tayamum , travellers shortened or combined salah and so on.
Allah knows the best.
OP i agree with this post; take it easy .. Maybe you should wait till winter months to make them up?
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; lol your the one who needs to learn about kaffara!
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; i've been a muslim probably longer than your parents bro!
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