Is World of Warcraft Haram or ?

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

See what I mean your just making stereo types you just think that every videogamer has no life and lives inside a cardboard box and hates light why don't you look at things with reality most little kids or unrespoible people play and abuse video games like that as I said it's like any other hobbie it just depends on if you have a abusive personality

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ineed Umar

I agree with a greed companies show, but still if I say there is an overpriced khajoor in a shop would you dare to steal it?
I have read your post and I can see your supporying the software you like but saying stealing it doesn't matter if it is overpriced is wrong, many people really depend on the profits these things make, Microsoft offive is made by dozens of programmers who need to get payed stealing the software is like stealing their income, even if we know companies are making like hundred percent profit on loss on that program they'll still pay the employees less. On ads I agree id rather pay then watch these, but still, you watvh telebision you have to tolerate the ads, even on magazines so why not software?

Though what you are doijg is not unethical bcoz you arw not makin any profit out of stolen stuff.


please don't mind me I'm just salty cause I'm innthe software engineering field.

If you want to reply to people in the future, at least quote their comment or give @ <name>. I just read your comment and i knew it was directed to me.

You do not get it whatsoever even though you are in the software development field. You look at things as ..ooh "he wants it..but it is too expensive, so he "steals" it". Get your definitions and understanding correct first, then you can analyze it.

Let me give you some examples. At school we had TO HAVE Microsoft Windows + MS Office + MS SQL Server and down that path. I could not use just Linux with WINE + LibreOffice + some kind of open source software database.

The school has adapted themselves to use certain kind of software. I get that and i understand it. However WHY MUST i use M$ Windows? (Because for example MS SQL Server back then did not run on Linux). Or till this day still MS Office does not run on Linux even though trying to use it through WINE. I tried LibreOffice, but the open standards M$ tries to work as much as possible against it. So I MUST BUY MS Office + MUST BUY MS SQL Server + MUST BUY MS Windows.

I do not want to use those, but Microsoft is FORCING people and companies to use their software. Can you understand then how come people would rather pirate their stuff?

I am a VERY VERY HAPPY Linux user for already like 9 years. If you even gave me money to stop using Linux, i couldn't because everything that i wanted is possible on Linux. The system works for me instead of me working for it. I use Windows through virtual machine, because STILL in my personal life i am FORCED to use it. It is pirated, but i count it as the Windows that i have bought when i had to have it when i bought my laptop. So i consider it ..that i have bought it.

The virtual machine it self is Virtualbox (free), on my NAS i use phpvirtualbox for configuration. All the other apps are ALL free with the exception of 1. Balsamiq mockups, however the developers years back have stopped supporting it under Linux, so that is why i use the crack. In the last i believe 5 years that i have it, i have used it once. I have it now ..just in case, but i doubt i will be using it.

TSo for Photoshop, nobody is forcing me to use it, so i have GIMP on it just in case.

About apps on the phone (Android), i use first the illegal apps after some time when i really liked the app and tested it thoroughly, then i buy it. For example apps that i have bougt like (beautiful widgets, ipray, iquran pro). Many other apps i have pirated version of it until i have tested them to such a extend that i am confident and happy with it. I buy.

I believe Google has limited the "try"-phase of a app to 15 minutes. That is just WAYYY to short. Even buying something at the store with MANY products you can go and return it if it wasn't as you expected it.

Do not look at it from the perspective of a software developer, rather from a honest and logical human being. I am also in the IT-field, but i do not look at things like only..money..money..money. I look at honest way of doing business. When i am really happy with the product as well as the price i will pay for it. I still can remember when i bought my first NAS (Off-the-shelve) i was looking for a Media server. I found serveral Media servers back then. One was "Twonky Media Server". I almost paid for it because i could not find a pirated version. However just in days i found out about PS3 Media Server (open source & free). If i would have bought Twonky Media Server i would have wasted money on it and never gonna use it as it was not inferior to PS3 Media Server...it was even lower than inferior.

Broaden your horizon brother. When you and me die, we will not take money with us, we will take our deeds with us. That includes also doing business in a honest way.

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

I disagree video games are no different from watching films/TV shows, Or reading books/poetry/fictional stuff . Its also no different from any hobby or aesthetic activity. Humans are not just rational, practical and moral beings - we are also aesthetic beings.

Video games entertainment is far better activity then a lot of other activities people get up to taking drugs, drinking alcohol, chasing women. Playing games was one way of staying away from such activities - especially if your parents were strict and didn't let you go out of the house too much because of the fear of being trapped in some crazy vice.

Lastly your view of masculine and feminine idea doesn't apply for a good book or movie - its the same with video games. A good entertainment piece is seen to be good regardless of gender.

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

If you feel that gaming as an adult is childish, that's fine. But to be fair, you mention that they usually lack basic life skills yet state that you don't want to talk about their other qualities (which could include basic life skills). That seems to go against itself.

The argument about gamers lacking basic life skills is a pretty broad statement as well. I've worked in the skilled trade business pretty much my whole adult life and have come across people (men in particular) of many different backgrounds who can't even change the oil in their car or even know how to check the pressure in their tires. They even hire people to do something as basic as changing the air filter in their air conditioning system in their house.

Growing up (in the US), before the internet was what it is today, I always used to see people out and about in the neighborhood on their time off, mostly during the weekends doing yard work, fixing their cars, socializing with their neighbors and so on. I live in the same neighborhood and nowadays, it's a rare occurrence to see someone walking down the street. Obviously other places are different but that's my experience in the area I live and grew up in. I personally think there are other factors besides gaming which are influencing people to become the way they are these days. Even with all the "how to" videos at our disposal, I feel people today lack the ability to do basic hands on work where as back then, people with no experience were much quicker at picking skills up and being able to apply them on their own. It might be a pessimistic view on things but that's just how I see it.

"Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Take advantage of five before five: (1) your youth before your old age, (2) your health before your illness, (3) your riches before your poverty, (4) your free time before your work, and (5) your life before your death.”"

source used: http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com...-are-deprived/

1: You are young and not old, make use of it. Playing games surely doesn't give you the use of what Islam is talking about.

2: You are still healthy while you are playing games, make use of it, before you fall ill and regret not using it because you were playing games.

3: You are still rich as you pay for the console, games and monthly subscription. Make use of that money before Allah takes it away from you. Spend those pennies rather on sadaqa so that you may reap the benefits later on in life or in the next life.

4: You have time to spend on not only fun things, but also useful things. Do it wisely, because there might come a time that you regret not having done so because your lack of free time.

5: You are alive and playing games, spend your life wisely because tomorrow Allah could take our lives.

All these tips, do not only apply to you guys but also to me. However i am already convinced that i have to follow that path but it is not easy. While you guys try to defend that which is rather keeping you occupied with the useless.

The hadith is from Rasullah(saws) not from me. If you say well what a bogus hadith, well go fight your battle with Allah and His Rasul giving you this advice.