I get what you are trying to say now. Your example about on and off really made it clear
I really never have though of it but off of the top of my head, there is Muwahidoon (monotheists) and Ahl al Fitrah (the people of fitrah) ... 2 examples that describle people who are not necessarily muslim, but follow the same primary principle of islam which is tawheed (monotheism).
Again, this goes back to your on and off example. i understand where your coming from now, but i still think its much better if you used a word like non-believer instead of disbeliever. Because disbeliever suggests that the person was presented with the idea and chose to not believer in it, were as a non-believe encompasses a much larger circle where a person could not believe in something, not just because there rejected it, but it may be that they never have heard of the idea in the first place.
If you are saying that you would used it only to differentiate between a muslim and a nonmuslim then thats KINDA okish given that people know that your using it that way. But the original meaning or use of this word is to describe the people who have actually heard the true message of islam and were convinced that it is the truth yet chose to disbelieve in it out of arrogance. My problem is when someone uses that term without explaining what he think its means or uses it for, then inscribes it to all people who are non-muslims regardless of whether these people will go to heaven or hell.
For example, by your very definition: A retarded or mentally handicap person who says he does not believe in islam is considered a kafir. In islam, we know that the mentally handicap person is will exempted from punishment because he does not have the means to carry the message of Allah. Yet in reality we all know that the word kafir only refers to those who are worthy of hellfire. I believe this is what is causing the confusion. this is why we should not call ALL non believers to be kuffar, instead we should just call them non-believers ... and if you are asking what is the word of a non believer in arabic then i would have to say, based on my knowledge of the language that there is non. Only terms that describe disbelievers(kuffar), atheist(mulhidoon), polytheists(mushrikoon) and so on.
I guess you could regard it as an untrust worthy islamic sight but what about all the proof and evidences shown on that site? shouldnt we consider them if we are to look for the truth?
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EXACTLY! ... that is the second chance that i was referring to. Another test to assess their obedience. Another chance! ... Thats why i said what i said early with confidence. I trust that Allah AWJ is just and merciful. He would never give an unfair trial to someone and assess them based on it. He would never because He (AWJ) himself said that He would do no injustice towards his creation (Quran 8:51) [
Allah is not ever unjust to His servants]. And it doesnt take a sherlock to know if such is a fair trial or not.
I hope this managed to clear our differences a bit and puts us on the same page.
Salam brother.
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