Hell: Difficult for me to accept

format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead

All religion believe in paradise and hellfire. However, only one religion is the one and only true religion and tell everything in clearity over all other religion and that is Islam. Islam is the only religion that talks about how the Earth orbit the sun and other planets orbit their own sun. Islam is the only religion that makes you ponder on how birds actually fly in the sky or how rain come from the cloud. Islam is the only religion that talks about certain stars that now scientists are discovering it. Islam is the only religion that talks about the parzaak...the separation of the salty sea from the non-salty sea. Islam is the only religion that speaks out gender differences and roles of the sexes. Islam is the one and only true religion...if you disbelieve on it you just simply oppressing yourself and oppressing no one and you turned off the light so you walking darkness. If you believe you only saved yourself and Allah is doing you a favor and not the other way around and turn light from darkness.

So seeing how ACEDIslam have disbelieved for bunch of criminals...he is the only one who is hurting himself and no one else. Unless he repented and returned back to Islam he will taste eternal hellfire no matter how good of a person he is in this world.

Must be nice to have all the answers and to be right all the time.

I have no answers and I am wrong 98%. But when it comes to Islam it is the truth. Whether you believe it or not is not my concern. If you think for a second I will say bad thing about my beautiful religion which is Islam...you are completely wrong.

Now, why would I think you’d do that?

format_quote Originally Posted by ACEDIslam

Salaam,

I walk around, seeing all the non-muslims, and I think "He's going to hell" "She's going to hell" etc. I have dedicated my life to helping others, but what's the point? They're just going to burn anyway.

And I do believe it just to give a reward or punishment based on the deeds of this life. But eternity seems excessive. I am but an earthly creature, flawed and imperfect, but even I have more compassion than that. It seems to me eternity in hell is not forgiving, compassionate, or merciful. I have a difficult time accepting in a God who would commit such an evil on humanity. I have trouble accepting a God who hates His own creation, nay, despises His creation.

Mother Theresa, who dedicated her life to helping others, is burning until her skin melts, then is replaced with a new skin until that one melts, forever. Because she chose the wrong religion. Because she chose to see signs in christianity and not in Islam.

Eternity in hell is unjust even for the worst of sinners. Even Jeffrey Dahmer should be brought out and forgiven after a specified time. Why must Allah's love be conditional rather than unconditional?

As far as I know, Allah, s.w.t. or subhanahu wa ta'ala or may he be glorified and exalted) has this special mercy. I'm not sure. I think I've read it or heard it. Astaghfirullah(I seek forgiveness from Allah) for my errors. I think, I read, as far as I remember, that Allah said in the Quran that he forgives whom he wills, as he pleases. And I also read somewhere maybe that we should never worry about this because only Allah knows who will go to heaven or hell. We cannot fully comprehend what is in the unseen.

How unfortunate that ACED ended like that. Had he stayed for a while and not ragequit, he might have heard that it is actually a matter of scholarly disagreement whether Hell is eternal or not.

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa

How unfortunate that ACED ended like that. Had he stayed for a while and not ragequit, he might have heard that it is actually a matter of scholarly disagreement whether Hell is eternal or not.

I will not give a rice weight for any scholars who doubt that the kuffar and Mushrkeen will be in eternal hellfire that eventually somehow, someday...they will leave hellfire and go to paradise thus every single human being on Earth will go to paradise and hellfire will be an empty place no one is in it. Then Allah will remove hellfire and only paradise exist. Anyone who believe that have set a place for themselves in hellfire eternally. Allah have said it in Qura'an with full clarity and the prophet have said it with full clarity. Allah forgives all sins except the one who associate partners with him. Kuffar as also their abode in hellfire.

It is that simple. Saying that Allah have a son and worshiping this false deity put you right under the requirement of been labeled a Mushrik and put you right into eternal hellfire. If you really believe that disbelievers will go to paradise eventually or some scholars are in disagreement that they will go to eternal hellfire then why even bother pray all together. Let each one pick their own favorite religion that fulfills their carnal desires. Feminist, menimist, you name it...let the party begin. No! We all know the truth and there will come time anyways at end of time where new inventions will come from scholars that we have never heard of before...do not follow them..

Listen up...listen up...there have been no doubt or disagreement at the time of the prophet when he warned hellfire and he did warn eternal abode for who disbelieve in Allah and his prophets. He left no open door for doubt and discussion. You want to save your skin...and not live in hellfire forever...it is simple.....

Don't associate partners with Allah.
Don't disbelieve in any of his verses or disbelieve on him (Allah) or his prophets (which adds all the requirements that put you in disbelieve, either making jokes, mockery, you name it at him or his verses or the angels or prophets and so on...)

I am not going to entertain to those idiots so called scholars. Majority of these scholars are scholars by name or fake and they either bought up by the Jews to spread doubt and discord in the religion and cause people to leave fold of Islam by all means or factors OR they themselves are fulfilling their own self desires and whims. The only scholars I will listen too are the ones that follow the Qura'an and Sunnah 100%. They tell me that disbelievers will be eternal in hellfire...then that match the Quraan and Sunnah I will give them a chance of my time to listen to what they say next. I hear something new or never heard of it that seems a bit off and contradictory to Qura'an and Sunnah? Then all they will see is my back side as I am leaving.

The tendency of some people accuse others of shirk, and proclaim all kinds of thing as shirk, never fails to amaze and bewilder. Everything is shirk, dum de dum dum dum, shirk shirk shirk, dum de dum de dum.

Is having an irreverent attitude about your proclamations of shirk also an act of shirk?

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa

The tendency of some people accuse others of shirk, and proclaim all kinds of thing as shirk, never fails to amaze and bewilder. Everything is shirk, dum de dum dum dum, shirk shirk shirk, dum de dum de dum.

Is having an irreverent attitude about your proclamations of shirk also an act of shirk?

Let me tell you...I do not go pointing fingers at everyone I see and say SHIRK SHIRK SHIRK! But something as obvious such as associating partners with Allah and proclaiming he have a son...me calling them shirk is only pointing out the truth. Now..if you also have an issue in the Qura'an and Sunnah then my only advice is go to the imam hospital and take treatment fast. Next thing we will say Islam is not real and everyone party you can do whatever you want...I am seeing in my owns and in this forum that Islam is just a name now. Anything that deals with fulfilling Allah's law is considered evil and hatred against humanity and against civility and we should go through secular system because that makes total sense. I start to think that majority of population are not really Muslims anymore....this is a scary thought.

Let me ask you a question Futuwwa and all I want is a yes or not from you first then you can go ahead and hammer me in the above sentence I said yes. But first line of your paragraph I am hoping it is one word, either Yes or No.

Question: Do you call anyone who says Allah have a son or Jesus is a son of Allah or Allah have a partner or you worship something with Allah a Mushrik or not or say something halaal to be haraam or something that is haraam to be halaal?
What about doubting that Mushrik or kaffir will be in eternal hellfire forever (when Allah clearly said in the Qura'an that the only time a Mushrik or Kaffir leave Jahannam and enter paradise AND HE SAID THAT is when the chain in the shop can fit through a needle hole). I have a request from you. Take that giant chain from the ship that is designed to make the ship stop from moving in the water....take that chain and make it pass through the needle hole. If you can make video to show me you can do it...then I will announce in the forum and public that kaffir and Mushrik WILL NOT BE IN HELLFIRE forever but will enter paradise. But you cannot do it. Because it is impossible. Since it is impossible we can also believe it is impossible for kaffir and Mushrik to leave hellfire and enter paradise.

That is all I am asking in the above. I just want from you to give me either a yes or no.

You have given the power to pick and choose. Do what you want these choices. Allah will do what he wills with the consequences of your choices. You have issue with that. Take your sword and shield and wage war against him. You will fail. So you are powerless. You are helpless. You cannot fight him. You cannot win him. He will destroy you right now if he wills it. What can you do then? I do not go pointing at anyone they are mushrik for fun nor do I have the right to degree who is Mushrik or not. But you better damn right believe that I will call who is a Mushrik a Mushrik. You will not make doubt and question he is not a Muhsrik. Now at his death bed he could die a Muslim and enter highest level of Jannah and I could die a disbeliever and enter hellfire. That could happen. So it could happen to you too or to anyone else in this world. Only Allah knows who will enter paradise at the end of it all or who will not. But as a limit human being, a creature, a slave, with limited cognitive ability and thinking who over eating could kill YOU...while that person is alive and doing shirk I have to give that person the title or else I will be a disbeliever if I do not. Don't think for a split second just because I live in a political correctness and someone is offended that I will cower down because you or someone else tells me it is cruel that a disbeliever enters hellfire forever and that is wrong or that you go shirk shirk shirk like you are a barking dog!

Anyone who have a problem with the concept of disbelievers (in my opinion) entering hellfire forever...is because they want to disbelieve or they fear if they disbelieve they will enter hellfire forever or want to have a choice to disbelieve or just with their limited thinking find it is cruel which that in itself is a disbelieve because you are implying Allah is cruel or is injustice.

I just wanted to confirm I made a mistake about the needle with the chain of the ship (to proof that I am not know it all nor I am arrogant to admit I am wrong). We have lost the ability to understand Qura'an correctly.....so I made a mistake. We need a real scholar to translate it correctly and get the proper meaning. However, Allah have said clearly many times that disbelievers will not enter paradise.