"Ignorant" women have brought this society to where it is now!!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Write the ayat where allah said he has sent male prophets. If you have the evidence.

I dont wanna be part of the discussion i am only listing a little info. Allahu Alem if there were women prophets or not but read this.

The scholers who rejected the idea of women being prophets is because of Verse (21:7)!.

We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺. Quran 21:7

They listed a few points to explain:

.there's no difference in spreading the message between prophets and messengers

.the quoted revelation might have been through dreams and that could happen to any person no matter if he is a prophet or not!

.the fact that anybody who have talked to a angle is a prophet is unacceptable because of the hadith of Jibreel who let the prophet explain to people their religion and the hadith of the leprosy, the bald-headed and the blind etc.

.the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) never said that dhi-l-Quarnayn was a prophet even if he received a revelation (18:86)

.that the verses about choosing Mariam etc, are no evidence, because Allah said the same about the whole family of Ibrahim and 'Imran but not all of them are prophets. See for example: for choosing (3:33) and here for choosing and excluding some of them (35:32)!

.the perfection quoted in the hadith is also no sign of prophet-hood, and as Khadija (May Allah be pleased with her) has been counted among the prefect women!
As Fatima (May Allah be pleased with her) is -also- not a prophet and she has been called by the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) as the master (chief) of the ladies of paradise in many hadith like in Sahih al-Bukhari.
Mariam has been described as a supporter of truth in (5:75), so if there has been a higher attribute Allah could give her then he would done so, but there's neither a hadith nor a Verse calling her a prophet

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

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Can I specify a person or it must be all?

format_quote Originally Posted by manofIslam

Brother, you sound like a very angry young man?!

I am not angry. I was just shocked when you liked her post about how do you know that all prophets are male. You shocked me as if I was zapped by a police zapper. Instead of teaching her, enlighten her, informing her she is wrong, you liked her post. You are further misguiding her and other people beside her and bring out doubts. That my friend is the worst form of enemy for Islam. So I look at you now and all I see is a weak man. Remember brother, when you click like and dislike you will be judged on them in the day of judgment: as either with you or against you. At first, I was observing many posts and saw you liking so many of them even ones that don't deserve like or dislike. So I was giggling to myself and saw you as trigger "like-happy". But...to click like on something that is against Islam, on something that is Kufur if believed and you liked it? Just believing angels are female make you a kafir (and angels are not male, though they came to Earth in shape of men), so how can you like someone who clearly believes prophets are female OR tell you how do you know that they are all male and some of them female, either to win an argument or fight for her sex (at the expense of her afterlife and cause fitna worldwide), and you like her?! So yeah, you got a full blunt of my energy at you. Be a man and don't act so weak, especially when it comes to your deen.

Aoa. Did i deny the quran? Did my mentioning not drive a few of u to read the quran again with an urge to understand it better? If not, then it is a sad state of affairs. And the ayat the person haa mentioned has beeen interpreted differently, i always read this (21:7) (O Muhammad), even before you We never sent any other than human beings as Messengers, and to them We sent revelation. Further, does no one read or understand the context of the quran anymore.?the kuffar asked why God did not send an angel and this was His response. Further, how many women did actually interpret the Quran? Isnt the Book all about how it is interpreted?

Umme Waraqa was appointed by the prophet saww to lead prayers. The word Rajaal has been used whixh means:men,people, lads etc. It is all about interpretation. Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity. And are u seriously comparing 'male' interpretation to justify urself. When you couldn't even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females. U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

Also when we talk about mankind does it mean we are referring to men only? And menses is an excuse. Every qaum had a different sharia. christian women go to churches even during their periods. It was islam that imposed this rule. There was also a group that was allowed drinking. Kosher meat is more limited when it comes to consuming meat as compared to halal meat, is that also wrong ?

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Umme Waraqa was appointed by the prophet saww to lead prayers. The word Rajaal has been used whixh means:men,people, lads etc. It is all about interpretation. Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity. And are u seriously comparing 'male' interpretation to justify urself. When you couldn't even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females. U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

So all those i listed that translated the Quran including sahih international are wrong and you give a better interpretation? Did you read the tafsir? Seems like you give a better explanation than ibn kethir too.

You say Umm Waraqa was appointed to lead prayers.Before deceiving others lets first say that this hadith has two unknown narrators so its considered weak or deficent.And it doesnt say that she was leading men in prayer,rather people of her household,could be children,teens,old women,young women.So even if it is sahih it still mentions no males but the people of her house.

A people who appoint a woman as their leader will never succeed [Al-Bukhari]
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about a man who prayed ‘Asr behind his wife. He replied:It is not permissible for a woman to lead a man in prayer and his prayer offered behind her is not valid, because of a great deal of evidence to that effect, and the man mentioned must repeat his prayer.”

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity.

so if it doesnt mean man but it means human beings according to your explanation God is human being? astagfirullah

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

Look to what level you bring the discussion.I reply to a question that you yourself asked,hoping to have a constructive discussion which we all benefit,and you bring the convo to this level as we are some teens in tictoc.I have no hatred for women,if you read my posts in this thread you would see i have been against men and not women.If men were the ones who give birth and have periods and are weaker physically and not allowed to lead men in prayer etc than id happily say man are not fit for prophethood.Its not about what gender is better is about what gender fits more to that role.I am giving you gems,if you dont want to accept the truth is up to you.


and where i couldnt even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females?? what are you even talking about

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

christian women go to churches even during their periods

churches didnt exist in time of Isa saws so going to churches is not even part of what was revealed to Isa

Places of worship have alwwys been there.. I m not saying God is a human, but we do refer to God as Him, why not they or her?

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Places of worship have alwwys been there.. I m not saying God is a human, but we do refer to God as Him, why not they or her?

a similar question was asked in islamqa.Here it is https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9868...-he-be-exalted

I advise you skip the first paragraphs or you will have your feelings hurt.It says how ignorant people who make this question are. I am impressed how right @xboxisdead was and how he foretold this.I mean you come with your own explanation of Quran ignoring the translations from others and the tafsir,you want female interpretors of the quran,you talk about matriarchal society,you bring one very weak almost hadith to claim that women can lead everybody in prayer,I think your problem is why arent women the one in charge.Please learn more and dont make this a battle between genders.You are blessed more than men if only you knew.I find it fruitless and a waste of time to keep discussing with you if you keep ignoring what i am saying,so salam alaikum may Allah guide you.

format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead

I am not angry. I was just shocked when you liked her post about how do you know that all prophets are male. You shocked me as if I was zapped by a police zapper. Instead of teaching her, enlighten her, informing her she is wrong, you liked her post. You are further misguiding her and other people beside her and bring out doubts. That my friend is the worst form of enemy for Islam. So I look at you now and all I see is a weak man. Remember brother, when you click like and dislike you will be judged on them in the day of judgment: as either with you or against you. At first, I was observing many posts and saw you liking so many of them even ones that don't deserve like or dislike. So I was giggling to myself and saw you as trigger "like-happy". But...to click like on something that is against Islam, on something that is Kufur if believed and you liked it? Just believing angels are female make you a kafir (and angels are not male, though they came to Earth in shape of men), so how can you like someone who clearly believes prophets are female OR tell you how do you know that they are all male and some of them female, either to win an argument or fight for her sex (at the expense of her afterlife and cause fitna worldwide), and you like her?! So yeah, you got a full blunt of my energy at you. Be a man and don't act so weak, especially when it comes to your deen.

you’re automatically assuming his intentions and telling him to renew his shahada because he liked a post that stated a question. Further down this thread, she had said things that are wrong, but for that post, she asked a question. I believe all prophets are male but I was going to like her post myself because I wanted an answer with specific evidence to the question she asked. Don’t be so quick and rash to assume things

format_quote Originally Posted by Islami.Mu'mina

you’re automatically assuming his intentions and telling him to renew his shahada because he liked a post that stated a question. Further down this thread, she had said things that are wrong, but for that post, she asked a question. I believe all prophets are male but I was going to like her post myself because I wanted an answer with specific evidence to the question she asked. Don’t be so quick and rash to assume things

I am a man to accept my mistake. Thank you sister! My Allah forgive and for anyone I hurt with this paragraph please forgive me.

Scholars have assumed a lot wrong about islam as well. Secondly, do u really believe their knowledge can exceed beyond a certain limit. What's wrong in saying that women should start interpreting quran also. There are so mny questions which the scholars fail to answer. Like the question this selfmade scholar failed to answer why not refer to God as her or they? Like you said, understanding the perspective is important. In this way, the verse to cover up is specifically for that time when the kuffars used to catcall and annoy the muslim women.

There isnt any scholarly evidence of prophets being sent to india and china..should we assume that God ignored such a huge chunk of people? The ayat 78 of surah ghafr says there are prophets Allah told us about and then there are he didnt. There is no clear mention of 124000 prophets in the quran, except for a few tafseers and hadith, should we say that yes, there is not even a slightest possibility? I highly doubt it.

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Scholars have assumed a lot wrong about islam as well.

That is a gross misstatement. Scholars do not assume things about Islam. Rather, they base their opinions based on their study of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

Secondly, do u really believe their knowledge can exceed beyond a certain limit.

That does not mean in anyway that you have somehow gained knowledge beyond the limits of all the scholars of the Ummah!

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

What's wrong in saying that women should start interpreting quran also.

There is nothing wrong with that. There have been several female scholars as well. Mother of all the believers, 'Aishah was one of the greatest scholars and a mufassir.


A woman or a man cannot suddenly start interpreting the Qur'an on his own. He or she has to first study and reach the level of a mufassir. Not all scholars are mufassir. It needs specialized study.

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

the verse to cover up is specifically for that time when the kuffars used to catcall and annoy the muslim women.

Islam is for all times and all places. The command to cover up was revealed in Madinah Munawwarah, which was a Muslim dominated city at that time. Before you fall prey to any such misguidance, learn and seek knowledge from proper sources.

Had the command to cover up was only meant for a non-Muslim environment, Allah would not have specifically mentioned so many close relatives in Surah Al-Noor and in Surah Al-Ahzab.

format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98

There isnt any scholarly evidence of prophets being sent to india and china..should we assume that God ignored such a huge chunk of people?

Allah says:
And for every nation is a messenger. [Yunus: 47]

and for every people is a guide. [Ar-Ra'd: 7]

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. [An-Nahl: 36]

This means that Allah has sent Prophets and Messengers to India and China as well, even though we do not know anything about those prophets.