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    For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

    Matthew 5:18
    The Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
    came to complete the law of the ancient prophets
    Without decrease or increase
    The remaining authentic verses in the Old Testament cannot be omitted

    Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]

    Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
    Maybe

    The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
    A lot of manuscripts

    A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
    How did this happen?

    Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick.

    None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.[7]/[8] The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
    No wonder they differ

    In the best of hands, copying errors would be no surprise. However, New Testament manuscripts were not in the best of hands. During the period of Christian origins, scribes were untrained, unreliable, incompetent, and in some cases illiterate.[9] Those who were visually impaired could have made errors with look-alike letters and words, while those who were hearing-impaired may have erred in recording scripture as it was read aloud. Frequently scribes were overworked, and hence inclined to the errors that accompany fatigue.

    In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.”[10] Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture.[11] As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.”[12] More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.”[13] And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism—which I retain for its significant ironies—these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”[14]

    Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses.[15] [16] In fact, “numerous changes and accretions came into the text,”[17] with the result that “all known witnesses of the New Testament are to a greater or lesser extent mixed texts, and even several of the earliest manuscripts are not free from egregious errors.”[18]

    In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.[19] Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”[20]

    In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.[22]
    Forged books? In the Bible?

    Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous.[23] Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.”[24] Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”[25]

    So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t make either list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.
    Why?

    Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
    Umm … because he was dead?

    Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”[26] [27] Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.[28] However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE.[29] So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples


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    Peace be with you yasoooo;

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right.
    Would God allow billions of people throughout history to be deceived? It makes more sense, that God would allow the Bible I read today, to be sufficient for my instruction, and my salvation.

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.[22]
    Forged books? In the Bible?
    If God has the power to create the universe and life, he has the power to have scriptures written in the way he intends. Even if some all-powerful emperor wanted to corrupt the Bible, he would have to fight against God. There can only be one winner in such a contest.

    Allah has given you sufficient instruction through the Quran. We each chose to do the will of God as we understand. I recognise Muslims have a great faith and trust in God, and that can only be God inspired.

    In the spirit of searching for the greatest meaning of 'One God'.
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    Previous prophets were sent to a particular group of people and their message was supposed to be followed for a particular time period. Since previous revelations were time-bound, God did not preserve them Himself.

    the Quran cannot be compared with the previous Scriptures. The Quran is unique in many aspects. It is the final revelation to mankind. Previous scriptures were sent to their respective people only.


    So God promised to protect the Quran

    God says in the Qur’an
    (9) Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be its guardian.




    Christ spoke the Aramaic language

    However, you will not find the original source of the Bible as a reference for Christians in the Aramaic language, but only translations in different languages such as Greek and other languages. You do not have a reliable and original source to correct the mistakes of the writers and the incorrect translation.


    The Bible was not recorded directly
    But
    After 300 years after the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him

    Bible verses are written down

    Without trustworthy witnesses

    Because they were not present at the time of Jesus, peace be upon him

    Even the Old Testament was written down

    One thousand years after the death of the Prophet moses peace be upon him


    Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God. Not even was it written immediately after his departure. He did not order or desire at any time in his life to write anything on his behalf. Therefore, the Bible which is in circulation today is not a representation of Jesus' teachings.



    But wait, the Qur'an is universal, not only for Arabs

    Because you have an original source for the Qur’an, which is the Arabic language in which the Qur’an was revealed, even if there is an error in one of the translations to interpret the meanings of the Qur’an.
    You have an original source to correct the translation

    Islam is universal religion and holy Quran and islamic narrations and supplications are translated in to almost every language in the world.

    the door of salvation, happiness, prosperity and felicity is open for all mankind in the universe.






    None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.


    Comparisons between The Majority (KJV) and Minority (NIV) Texts

    http://ecclesia.org/truth/m-m.html


    How the Bible was corrupted by Dr. Bart Ehrman YouTube


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHj_bsrYkrY



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    Judaism and Christianity have been distorted

    And violating the teachings of the Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon them

    We find the Bible contains the words of God and the words of men

    But the Quran cannot be manipulated or changed by people

    The Qur’an is the word of God, which He promised to protect from distortion

    God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books

    God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,

    However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it

    And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed



    Christians are deceived by the devil


    Because their book contains these taboos

    But the Qur'an forbids that





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    Debate: Dr. Zakir Naik vs. Dr William Campbell - The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science

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    Biblical absurdities about the prophets

    the absurdities attributed to the prophets and pious men found in the "holy" bible. As a Muslim, we do not recognize this nonsense. The prophets, peace be upon them, are innocent of this gossip.

    When we read the Bible, as Muslims, we come across certain absurdities such as the prophet Lot (as) who allegedly slept with his two daughters under the influence of alcohol ,

    or David (as) who would have committed adultery with Uri's wife and would have had her husband killed in order to marry her then,

    Aaron (as) who would have made the idol of the golden calf which perverts the sons of Israel, Solomon (as) his polytheistic life because of his wives, etc. May God preserve us from saying such nonsense about the best men who walked this earth.

    Now let's see another absurdity attributed to the prophet Noah (as).

    The tragic episode of Noah's nudity

    We read in Genesis chapter 9, 22-23 this:

    “Noah, first a farmer planted a vineyard. He drank of his wine and got drunk, and lay naked in the midst of his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

    The first thing that shocks here is seeing the prophet Noah (as) getting drunk to the point of undressing while remaining naked “in the middle of his tent”. Besides this absurdity attributed to this noble prophet, there is another ...

    What to say after all this? Not much. Christians who attempt to refute the Jewish comments should be very careful because Jesus (as) allegedly said: “ 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    Matthew 23, 2-3).

    That is, the Jews are the best able to understand their scriptures. Not to mention that they consider that the Talmud contains part of the oral Torah which was revealed to Moses (as) on Mount Sinai ... It is therefore a revelation for them.


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    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    Christians are deceived by the devil
    ,

    Where does it say this please?
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    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    “. . . and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).
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    Certainly Christians follow their own desires and the deceptions of Satan

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    Islam
    Constitution and approach to life

    By eating, sleeping and praying, taking a bath and making transactions between people

    Religion is not just a ritual

    Pray and then go out to lie and drink alcohol and lack of hygiene and adultery

    Like other religions
    most christians dont even follow their own faith, they just carry it as a sort of "name" in their ID card or on their facebook status

    becoming a muslim, means to "give in to GOD and to honor and obey

    There are many people, by the grace of Allah, who have converted to Islam
    They left alcohol, gambling, usury and drugs

    But before they converted to Islam, they couldn't leave all of these things

    Doctors could not cure their addiction because they returned to addiction every time
    Prisons couldn't keep them away from drugs

    And all the other religions or systems could not help them

    Islam, by the grace of God, is a way to protect and protect these people from bad things

    There are many examples of converts to Islam, relatives and friends in society

    You will be surprised to change their behavior for the better

    Islamic religion is really the right religion



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    All perfect praise be to Allah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

    The meaning of verses you want to understand are as follows:

    Allah Says (what means):

    • {Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 2:62]

    • {Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 5:69]

    • Allah also Says (what means): {Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness.} [Quran 22:17]

    Firstly, (those who believe) means those who believed in the Prophethood of Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ). But, Sufyan said: “It means al-Munafiqoon (hypocrites). That is why Allah has mentioned them with Jews, Christians and as-Sabi'een (Sabeans), and then explained that those who believe in Allah and the Last Day will face neither fear nor grief.

    Secondly, (those who are the Jews) means those who follow the Jewish scriptures and are named after Judah, a son of Jacob. Also it means those who repent and return to the truth.

    Thirdly, (the Christians) means those who supported Jesus may Allaah exalt his mention.

    Fourthly, (as-Sabi'een) means a past nation used to live in Al-Mausal (Iraq) and say La Ilaaha Illa Allah and used to read the Psalms [Az-Zaboor] and they were neither Jews nor Christians.

    Fifthly, (the Magis) are worshippers of fire; a very ancient cult, located in Persian and Median uplands and their religion was reformed by Zoroaster.



    Therefore, there is no contradiction between the verse that is referred to in the question [Quran 2:62] and verse {Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allaah is Islam.}[Quran 3:19] The Christian scholars now have no excuse for not becoming Muslims and continue believing in the trinity. The trinity is an aberrant and clear disbelief, and High is Allaah from making this a belief of the Prophets, neither for 'Eesaa (Jesus), Allaah exalt his mention, nor for other Prophets, may Allaah exalt their mention.

    https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/83...s-569-262-2217


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    “. . . and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).



    You shall find O Muhammad the most avowed enemy to those who conformed their will to Allah’s will arc the Jews and those who incorporate with Allah other deities. And you shall find that the people who have a better disposition toward those who conformed their will to Allah’s will are those who are Christians. This is because among them, there are priests and monks who fear Allah (the father) only


    They do not worship Jesus, peace be upon him, nor do they worship the Holy Spirit
    Because Jesus is a prophet of God and the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel who conveys revelations from God (the Father) to the prophets

    and not extravagant in their accounts of themselves nor do they entertain inordinate self-esteem




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    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    • {Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 5:69]
    I am troubled that words have been added to the Quran, that are not in the Quran. Note, the brackets "[ ]" are the author's understanding of the verse, not exactly what it says. The Quran is the word of Allah, why does anyone need to add to it?
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    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    The meaning of verses you want to understand are as follows:

    Allah Says (what means):

    • {Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 2:62]

    • {Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 5:69]
    yasoooo, I am troubled by this. Had Allah intended the words in brackets and bolded to be in the Quran, they would be in the Quran. Allah had written, what he wanted to be written, no one should add or subtract. When you add those few words in brackets, which are not in the Quran, I believe it gives a distorted meaning. I have looked up a number of Islamic sites, and it seems there either is a kind way to interpret these words, or a condemning way. Islam is a religion of kindness.
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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    this clarification and interpretation of the meaning of the verses of the Qur’an, according to what was stated On the authority of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when the Qur’an was revealed to him from God


    the Quran is not like the distorted Bible written by unknown humans

    Therefore, you find criticism and analysis according to their own opinion in churches

    Therefore, this is not a problem, because it is the book of mankind and not the book of God.

    You can edit and change the meaning of verses with ease

    and don't be ashamed to say it's the book of god



    But in the Quran there are controls and standards

    One of the scholars cannot criticize the words of God or criticize the words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him
    But the interpretation of the Quran is according to what God said in the Quran and according to what the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said



    If the opinion of one of the scholars contradicts the words of God and His Messenger, his words are not taken into account


    The Quran does not depend on people's false words


    So far, no one has been able to produce anything close to the Qur'an in its beauty, style, meaning and prophecies.
    Scientific evidence makes the Qur'an the most talked about book in today's intellectual world.


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    Many non_muslims learn the Arabic language in order to study the original manuscripts of the Qur’an as an original source and return to it if the translation makes a mistake in the meanings of the Qur’an.


    Because you have an original source for the Qur’an, which is the Arabic language in which the Qur’an was revealed, even if there is an error in one of the translations to interpret the meanings of the Qur’an.
    You have an original source to correct the translation

    Unlike Christians, they do not understand their Bible and interpret it according to their whims


    Christ spoke the Aramaic language

    However, you will not find the original source of the Bible as a reference for Christians in the Aramaic language, but only translations in different languages such as Greek and other languages. You do not have a reliable and original source to correct the mistakes of the writers and the incorrect translation.

    The fact is there are 40,000 Christian sects. We can fill a football stadium with Christians, every one of them can have different beliefs. Every one of them calling themselves Christian. Every one of them having Different beliefs then you.
    Can you not wrap your head around how insane this is?

    How anyone can argue the Bible is not changed today is amazing honestly. Seriously, they literally continue to change it even today

    You will be shocked when watching the video
    DEBATE : THE QUR'AN AND THE BIBLE IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE | TALK + REBUTTAL + Q & A | DR ZAKIR NAIK

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    we can say that polygamy is allowed in the Old Testament, that countless Prophets and pious men practiced it. If the ban had been a divine ordinance, then it is astonishing that the most prestigious of men in the Bible practiced it.
    The teachings of Christ also do not argue for the prohibition of polygamy, even if the Church does not teach it. There is no text in the New Testament that would ban this practice. Paul restricted monogamous marriage only to bishops.



    “Gideon had seventy sons from him, for he had many wives. His concubine, who was in Shechem, also bore him a son, whose name was called Abimelech. "(Judges 8,30-31

    In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses and / or several extra-marital affairs. In these cases, the woman involved leads a dishonorable and unstable life. Ironically, this same society is unable to accept that a man chooses polygyny, in which women maintain a dignified and honorable position in society and lead stable lives.


    There are more women than men in many African and Asian countries, as well as in our Western countries. In
    India, more than one million female fetuses are aborted every year and due to the high rate of female infanticide, the female population is smaller than that of men. If they stop practicing this evil, in a few decades the male population will be lower than the female population.

    Forcing every man to marry only one woman is unrealistic. And even if every man married a woman, there would be millions left without a husband.
    Great Britain has 4,000,000 more women than men, not counting homosexuals.
    Germany has 5,000,000 more women than men. The United States has 7,800,000 more women than men, in New York there are 1,000,000 more women than men, a third of men in the
    New York population are gay, that is ie sodomite. So if all the men would marry there would still be 7,800,000 who could not have a husband, on top of that, in the society of men in the United States, there are 25,000,000 sodomite men, these men obviously do not wish to marry a woman, so there are still 25,000,000 women who cannot find a husband. In
    Russia there are 7,000,000 more women than men. Without counting the men in prison and the men who simply cannot afford to get married. And only God knows how many more women there are really than men in the world
    شاب بريطاني يعتنق الإسلام على يد محمد حجاب


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpuKs1EKr8&t=1s

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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post

    Would God allow billions of people throughout history to be deceived? It makes more sense, that God would allow the Bible I read today, to be sufficient for my instruction, and my salvation.

    Eric

    i believe that the followers of the (for example) bible were meant to follow newly revealed teachings (the Quran), meaning there was now not a need for the bible, which is why Allah allowed it to be corrupted, so people can know that it is not the right code of life to follow. if i am wrong in any way, please do correct me.
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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    • {Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 2:62]

    • {Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.} [Quran 5:69]
    Are these the exact translations from the original Arabic?
    Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    Yes, because the previous nations believe in the One God and believe in their Prophet sent to them
    And believe in all previous and later prophets because all are subject to one God

    God says in the Qur'an
    (136) And whoever disbelieves in Allāh, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.


    https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/kat...ra2-aya62.html

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    The calendar year of Islam begins not with the birthday of our prophet (peace be on him), not from the time that the revelation came to him (Bethat) nor from the time of his ascension to heaven, but with the migration (Hijra) from an undesirable environment into a desirable place to fulfill Allah's command. It was migration from a plot that was set by the leaders of the Quraysh who were plotting to kill prophet Muhammad, and to destroy the truth that today is being conveyed to mankind everywhere against tyranny and injustice. Their purpose was to destroy the foundation of the Islamic state, the Sunnah of the tradition of the prophet, and to prevent the revelation being delivered by Allah's messenger to mankind.


    The Islamic calendar is reckoned from the time of migration (Hijra) of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. The Prophet's decision to migrate from Mecca came after several years of inhuman treatment of the faithful by the powerful tribes who were united despite all their feuds to stop the spread of Islam.

    Prophet Mohammad's decision to leave Mecca coincided with the infidel's plan to assassinate him. In 622 AD, the Quresh tribesmen held a meeting and decided that a band of young men, one from each tribe, should assassinate Prophet Mohammad collectively so that their responsibility for the murder could not be placed on any particular tribe.

    On the eventful night, the Prophet asked his cousin Ali Ben Abutalib to take his place in bed to make the Meccans think that he was asleep. The Prophet himself slipped out unobserved alongwith his loyal follower Abu Bakr (who was chosen as the first C aliph after the death of the prophet). They secretly made their way to a cave named Thawr, not far from Mecca and lay in hiding there for a day or two until Abu Bakr's son reported that the search for him had been given up. Then the two set out from Madina on camel back. They reached Quba, on the edge of the Madina oasis, on 12th Rabiul Awwal. With Mohammad's arrival in Quba a new phase of his career and glory of Islam started.

    This migration has a special significance in the history of Islam. It ended the Meccan period of humiliation and torture and began the era of success. His own people to whom he preached Islam for 13 years neglected the Prophet of Islam. But he was cordially received in Madina as an honored chief.

    In Madina his power enhanced day by day. Here he was not only the religious leader but took the role of a politician and statesman too. Prophet Mohammad expired ten years after his migration to Madina but only in one decade he changed the course of human history.

    In view of this special significance of the Prophet's migration the consultative body advised the Second Islamic Caliph, Omar ben Khattab, to start the Islamic year from the date of migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Madina.

    According to early Moslem scholars, Abu Musa Al Shari drew attention of Omar to an improperly dated debenture or IOU which was payable in the month of Shaban but it was not clear which Shaban was actually meant, the present one or the coming one. Omar called the dignitaries for consultation who made several suggestions to begin the Islamic calendar.

    Ali (who later became the fourth caliph) suggested the Hijra as the beginning of the Islamic year with Moharram as its first month. Consequently, Caliph Omar in 21 A.H. or 641 A.D introduced the Islamic calendar in its present form.

    QURANIC GUIDANCE

    The guidance about the Islamic calendar is taken from the following verses from the Holy Quran: (In the name of GOD most gracious and most merciful)

    "Lo the number of the months with God is twelve months." IX:36.

    "They ask thee, of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage." II:189.

    "He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." X:5

    The Islamic Calendar of 12 Lunar Months is determined by observation of the new moon with no effort by intercalation (addition) or other means to synchronize the Lunar year with the Solar year.

    Life Of The Final Messenger - Muhammad pbuh (Seerah) - 12 Hijrah (Migration) - Mufti Ismail Menk
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    Amir Ibn Fuhayra (ra): The Guide on the Hijrah | The Firsts | Dr. Omar Suleiman

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    لله أكبر!! سيدة إنجليزية تنطق بالشهادة بعد أن اكتشفت أنها مسلمة ولا تعرف


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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    Does God rest?

    The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it God rested from all the work,


    God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he rested

    Genesis 2:2
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

    The Lord abstained from work and rested.

    Exodus 31:17

    Expressions like tired, weak, or in need of rest and fatigue are among general practice of human beings. Fatigue is partially due to the accumulation of lactic acid in the muscles.

    It is well known that balancing work and rest is the proper way to combat fatigue.

    Researchers noticed the effect of Rest periods on productivity.

    Post-exercise fatigue is the way you feel after typical enthusiastic exercises. Proper rest leads to improved performance of the muscles.

    This is applicable for man and vertebrates but not for all the creatures.

    Also, this is not applicable for some components inside our bodies.

    Example of Non-Resting creatures:

    Sciences say that many creatures do not rest at all e.g., the heart, the red cells, the white cells, the platelets, the Bacteria, the Fungi, the Sun etc

    The Sun does not rest at all.

    The heart does not rest at all.

    The red cells, the white cells, the platelets do not rest at all.

    Bacteria do not rest at all.

    Fungi do not rest at all.
    .
    Now, the Question is:

    How come that many creatures do not rest while the Almighty Creator Rest?

    It is the Quran which answered this question more than 1400 years ago.


    Does God rest in the Qur’an?

    Now let us go to the Quran to Rest the Lord's case in respect to the question does the Lord Rest?

    The Quran says: Rest assured, the god does not Rest and He never ever Rest

    Allah is not like us.

    No one is similar to Allah.

    Surah 42:11

    SHAKIR: the originator of the heavens and the earth; he made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; nothing like a likeness of him; and he is the hearing, the seeing

    PICKTHAL: the creator of the heavens and the earth. he hath made for you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby he multiplieth you. naught is as his likeness; and he is the hearer, the seer.

    YUSUFALI: (he is) the creator of the heavens and the earth: he has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does he multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto him, and he is the one that hears and sees (all things).

    They dispute concerning Allah, and Allah is far beyond your thoughts and imaginations.

    If we get tired, Allah does not.

    If we rest, Allah does not

    If we get sick, Allah does not

    If we die, Allah does not

    Surah 13:13

    SHAKIR: and the thunder declares his glory with his praise, and the angels too for awe of him; and he sends the thunderbolts and smites with them whom he pleases, yet they dispute concerning Allah, and he is mighty in prowess

    PICKTHAL: the thunder hymneth his praise and (so do) the angels for awe of him. he launcheth the thunderbolts and smiteth with them whom he will while they dispute (in doubt) concerning Allah, and he is mighty in wrath.

    YUSUFALI: nay, thunder repeateth his praises, and so do the angels, with awe: he flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith he striketh whomsoever he will..yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of his power (supreme)!

    Allah never ever rest.

    Surah 50:38

    SHAKIR: and certainly We Created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods and there touched us not any fatigue

    PICKTHAL: and verily We Created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days, and naught of weariness touched Us.

    YUSUFALI: We Created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us


    1/2شتم من خلف الشاشة! عدنان رشيد في حوار مع مسيحيين الجزء الأول

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    2/2 النبي محمد له نفس مميزات النبي موسى! عدنان رشيد في حوار مع مسيحيين الجزء الثاني

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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    The Holy Qur’an speaks only about scientific facts not myths so the researcher must know that the discovered scientific fact which is a miracle in Qur’an or Sunnah should not be known when Qur’an was descended. On the other hand we have to know that there are many known facts in Qur’an from past times like benefits of honey which is a known fact from thousands of years, but He Almighty included this fact in the Holy book of Qur’an as a proof that this book includes only right facts because people during years of civilizations used to mix facts with myths and legends. Therefore if Qur’an is a human made, we might find mixes of right and wrong facts inside it.




    We have to know that the one who descended Qur’an is the same one who created universe who is Allah Almighty, so it is impossible that Allah create things in a way and to tell us about these things in a different way in His book.

    Therefore, we will find a complete conformance between scientific facts and the Qur’an if we understood both of them in the right way. Hence, if the science is in conformance with the verse so science is right and if not the science is definitely wrong. He Almighty says: (Do they not then consider the Qur’an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction.){Sûrat An-Nisâ’- The Women-verse82}



    The strongest evidence that the Quran is not (and will not be) distorted is that Allaah The Exalted challenged His creation to produce the likes of it; then He challenged them to produce ten chapters only and finally challenged them to produce even a single chapter. Today, this challenge remains open. If the Quran is fabricated, why can they not even produce a single chapter and defeat their enemy?








    Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:

    “I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”


    Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

    “During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator.



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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFO4G7zXlUI






    لماذا يتم التغاضي عن جرائم مغتصبي الأطفال البيض؟ | عدنان في حوار مع رجل محترم


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    رحلة حمزة لاعتناق الإسلام والصعوبات التي واجهها وإجاباته على أسئلتكم


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    حوار هادئ لعباس مع مسلم انحرف عن الإسلام

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    حتى إن صورت بنفسي فيديو للإله فلن أؤمن _ صبور في حوار غني بالمعلومات مع ملحد
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    مبشر مسيحي يقول لشمسي نحن نحبك ففاجأه شمسي بآية صادمة من الكتاب المقدس | ردة فعل

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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible?
    There are many sentences in the Quran, that are also in the Bible. Be careful when you make claims like 'Transparency and credibility of factual facts'.
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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    Christian scholars are the ones who say so


    God sent the Qur'an to correct the previous books


    Few verses in the Old and New Testaments are considered correct and are consistent with God's law for his prophets


    the first question they asked furnished to their opponents for the verses that hit distortion , and distorted what they were before ? What are the names who have distortions ? At any time they have done ? What is their purpose of disposal of this ? The answer to this is not only those who have the original version , which is written the Bible , which I wrote between 60 and 120 m , and does not have one of these copies are not Christians or Muslims or anyone else , how will the interview if the copying distorted and originals , and how will you know the verses that misrepresented and what is placed before the distortion , as well as to know of the distortions and purpose of it.

    If it is said that the absence of the parent denies misrepresentation ? We say: It's not as you said , because the distortion is to change reality in the Gospels both occurred because of an increase or decrease or switch some words with some other , whatever the reason for this change in bad faith , or good intention , or omissions and negligence , and we pretend to be interpolating in this sense, the fact that in the Gospels in the hands of Christians today , regardless of who has done and purpose of it and regardless of the existence of the originals or disappearance .

    This is for the distortion of the point of Metn or text , while on the bond , there is no support up between the Gospels now in place and the owners who wrote themselves , note that the oldest copy of any of these Bibles are in the third century the year 225 AD that is, between the authors and the time found more than centuries of ! ! How can a book documenting this case ? ! !

    The words of the Christians : The Bible has spread in the era of the students , and did not deny one of them , cause harm outside the position of the conflict , because the search is not as it was when the disciples of the Gospel , but research in the proportion of this document in the hands of Christians today as when pupils and corroboration related to them .

    Then they asked another question , they said, how could Mahrvon to do with the distortions that there had been since the second century AD, thousands of copies of the Bible in different countries and in multiple languages , which can not make him twist in all of them . The answer to this: if we accept that we have not been distorted in the second century before , what about the first century ? Do you have proof that there were no distortions . This copies in their hands did not reach them until after the second century . What about that period that stretched from the lifting of Christ to the end of the second century , and parted where Christians make a difference and multiple doctrines , was where the Christians are united on one Bible ? These questions must be answered before the Christians to direct their questions to others.

    He also said that these claims of the distortion of the gospel it is noteworthy that the way in which resorted to the afore-mentioned persons to hide the alleged misrepresentation , he could not even detected only objectors , after hundreds of years to happen ! The answer to that is that the answer is not required from the foregoing that the originals that can meet her with copies in the hands of Christians today do not exist , and the Christians themselves do not know the scribes who wrote the gospels on the face of the pieces , ask us how we know that the handicraft ? They are distributed between the scribe and translators and Mgredan , says , " Will Durant " in " The Story of Civilization " : " returns the oldest copies of our four Gospels to the third century . Either originals seem to have been written between 60 120 m , and then came after written over two centuries time for errors in the transport , and perhaps also to have been intentional misrepresentation intended to reconcile with the community to which he belongs duplicator or purposes . "

    Moreover, as we have said is a misrepresentation change this exists , exemplified by differences in the rates of Christ - peace be upon him - an angel "when" Christ's lineage to Joseph , son of Jacob and to make it at the end of the descendants of Solomon the son of David . The Gospel of " Luke " The proportion of the Yusuf Bin Hali , and make it at the end of the descendants of Nathan, son of David, peace be upon him , and that differences in the number of parents of Christ , recalled the gospel of "when" they Twenty-seven father , while the Gospel of " Luke " them forty-two father , in addition to other detailed differences found in the theme of " the Gospels are not the word of God ."


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    Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    When one reads the passages where Isma'il (= Ishmael, peace be upon him) is mentioned, one will see quite obvious indications of corruption:

    The reason is also obvious: The Jewish elite were racists (that's obvious from a lot of passages in the Bible itself) and thought that Prophethood could only apply to themselves and tried to extinguish any passages, which establish Prophethood for other than them.

    - An example would be that in Genesis 16 an angel appears to Hagar and gives her the glad tidings that she will have a son with the name Ishmael and then ends up telling her that he will be a wild donkey of a man, which does not make any sense in the context of the glad tidings given to her.
    The stranger thing is that if one just changes the vowels in Hebrew (such that the written word remains the very same word!), then the meaning becomes completely in-line with the context and that is being fruitful. What is even stranger is that this is the very reading found in the Samaritan Torah!


    - Another example is that in Genesis 21 it's claimed that Ishmael (peace be upon him) - who must have been a youngster at that time - was mocking Isaac (peace be upon him) - who was a little child - and that's why Sarah asked Abraham (peace be upon him) to send Ishmael and his mother away [to the desert].
    Now the really strange thing is that when it's described how Hagar and her son are in the desert, every single description connected to Ishmael (peace be upon him) indicates him to be a LITTLE CHILD and NOT a youngster in any way or form as the Jewish racists who played around with these passages like us make to believe.

    This is very important, because it means that significant changes have been made to these passages in order to justify the belief that only the children of Isaac (peace be upon him) were blessed and part of the eternal covenant of God.


    - What is even stranger is that according to the same Bible the lineage of Ishmael (peace be upon him) is also blessed (see Genesis 17) and that they will be a great nation (and this passage indicates towards Prophethood being amongst them!), but the racist Jews could not hold themselves back from diminishing the rank of Ishmael even in this context and acted as if the covenant only applies to their branch.
    To their dismay the gematria - which is a tool that these Jews use for understanding these texts, because they themselves have invented this tool in order to hide specific things from other people - of this passage even contains the very number of the name our noble Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

    These issues are nowhere simple coincidence, rather they indicate towards corruption at the hands of the Jews.




    { And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with words [i.e., commands] and he fulfilled them. [Allāh] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [Allāh] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." }

    [English interpretation of the Aya 2:124 of the noble Qur`an]

    So while in the Bible precedence is given to people simply based upon their race, the Qur`an gives precedence based upon righteousness.
    It should be obvious what is important in the sight of God.


    And by the way: Does God BLESSING Ishmael (peace be upon him) and making him a great nation mean that he and his offspring will be a bunch of pagans and disbelievers?! Please use a little bit common sense.


    As for Paran, then it's the place where Ishmael (peace be upon him) and his offspring lived and this according to the Bible itself.


    حمزة يحرج زائر أمام زوجته ويفضح كذبة حرية التعبير عند الغرب

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGfdSoZ01ag



    بوذي يتناسى ما يحدث للمسلمين الروهينجا من قبل البوذيين ويسأل منصور: أين الحب والسلام عند المسلمين؟


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFJobwGBITE


    هاشم ينسف عقيدة مسيحيين | إله لكنه ليس إلهاً

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twJQOzy8CL0&t=5s


    فتاة عمرها 14 انجليزية أسلمت من قبل والحين 17 - قمة جديدة - شمسي #sfdawahArabic #Sfdawah#



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    Mary in the Bible and in the quran
    to compare the character of Mary (Maryam (as)) both in the biblical text and in the Koranic text.

    that the Koranic text gives much more consideration to the character of Mary than the biblical text.

    Mary in the Bible
    - A very unflattering portrait of Mary is drawn;
    - Doubt as to the accusation of adultery hovers throughout the 4 Gospels;
    - The biblical Jesus obviously does not respect his mother by calling her "woman";
    - The mother-son relationship between them is not a model for humanity;
    - Her name appears less than 30 times (includes quotes: "the virgin", "the mother of the Lord", "the mother of Jesus" and "Mary"). 25 times in Jesus' childhood (as) and his beginning of ministry, after she almost completely disappears, she, "the mother of God" (sic!) According to Christians;
    - Paul does not even mention it once in all his writings nor the Gospel according to Mark (which is the oldest, however, the most primitive of the 4 Gospels

    Worse yet, Christians follow Paul throughout their lives and not the teaching of Jesus (as). Paul does not even mention the name of Mary (as) in his writings despite being the most prolific author of the New Testament. Not even a small verse on it!

    It is therefore in consternation that we can say that the holy book of Christians, inspired by the Holy Spirit, let us remember, paints a very calamitous portrait of Mary.

    .
    On the Koranic side:
    - Mary is elected "above the women of this world";

    Mary, who is moreover a Jewess, above the women of this world. Is there a more convincing tribute than this?

    - The doubt as to the accusation of adultery is removed without the slightest ambiguity by the miracle of the baby Jesus (as) who clears his mother;
    - God recommended to Jesus (as) kindness towards his mother;
    - The relationship he maintains with his mother is filled with love and joy;
    (which is absolutely not the case in the Gospel text).

    Mary has a privileged place in Islam, a Sura even bears her name (Sura 19 - Maryam), recounting at the same time her story. There is no chapter in the whole Bible that is dedicated to Mary. The name of Mary appears much more often in the Koranic text (34 times + 1 time in Sura title) than in the biblical text (less than 30 times)


    Now let's stop for a moment and ask ourselves a few questions:

    Isn't it strange that the "evil Islamic spirit" has given Mary much more glory in the Qur'an than has the "Holy Ghost" of Christians in the Bible? Was it really the Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible? Would it not rather be an "evil" -Holy Spirit?




    لماذا تم تعميد يسوع؟ هاشم في حوار مع مسيحي

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck-ZYIbAQLI

    الضربة القاضية! هاشم في حوار مع مسيحيين

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqarMPY0s4

    الطاقة وهبتنا الحياة! منصور في حوار مع ملحد

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgJaNivzRY
    أوامر الرب - الحمدلله علي نعمة الإسلام

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    Peace be with you yasoooo,

    I have been on this forum for eighteen years, I see the beauty of Islam when it is used to build people up, to encourage them and to give hope. I have learned much by searching for all the good in Islam. I struggle with any religion, Christianity included, when it seems it is being used against others. I struggle with religion when we fail to see the good in others, just because they are different. Often when we use truth to change others, we become a hypocrite, we recognise their failings, but not our own.

    Truth is best served when we use it to change ourselves. I believe 'Truth' is a reflection of kindness, justice, charity, mercy, forgiveness, compassion, love and giving thanks to God for all he does in our lives.

    format_quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    that the Koranic text gives much more consideration to the character of Mary than the biblical text.
    If we are to compete, then we should compete in doing good deeds, so this world can be a kinder place for all. If you think the Bible says nothing positive about Mary, then you are overlooking some beautiful passages. Today is dedicated to Mary in the Catholic Church, it is a Holy Day of obligation. You have posted a number of passages from the Bible, can I post one more.


    Luke 1;39

    And Mary said:
    “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;
    my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
    for he has looked with favor on his lowly servant.
    From this day all generations will call me blessed:
    the Almighty has done great things for me
    and holy is his Name.
    He has mercy on those who fear him
    in every generation.
    He has shown the strength of his arm,
    and has scattered the proud in their conceit.
    He has cast down the mighty from their thrones,
    and has lifted up the lowly.
    He has filled the hungry with good things,
    and the rich he has sent away empty.
    He has come to the help of his servant Israel
    for he has remembered his promise of mercy,
    the promise he made to our fathers,
    to Abraham and his children forever.”

    May Allah bless you all on your journey,
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