*POLL* Do you support Canadian publications that choose to print Muslim cartoons?

format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19

Salam alaikam


It seems brothers and sisters, These Kafirs like to take a few photos here and there and say look islam is violence?

if only i would take pictures of what christians say about Muslims and how they hate muslims the perspective would definately change.

So dont think you could degrade our religion by pointing out a few things here and there attempting to point out that our religion is volent.

Remember Im challenging you to a debate!

Funny you would say that Christians hate Muslims. I am a Christian and know of no Christians who hate Muslims.

What do you hope to prove with your debate?

Any cartoon or any other despiction that makes fun of anyone or anything is not good but it does happen. Why would a worshipper of God want to destroy one of God's creations for drawing a cartoon of a man?

ryt ppl lets get thiz straight christians DO NOT HATE MUZLIMS k iz dat clear cuz av converted yea so ur tryin a cay christians r racist well no dey aint k think twice!!!!!!!!!!!1
get ur act togeder!!!!!!!!!
i sugess ppl shud think b4 they write cuz dey r cumin owt wiv any thing which iz not true!!!!!!!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by ImaChristian

Funny you would say that Christians hate Muslims. I am a Christian and know of no Christians who hate Muslims.

What do you hope to prove with your debate?

Any cartoon or any other despiction that makes fun of anyone or anything is not good but it does happen. Why would a worshipper of God want to destroy one of God's creations for drawing a cartoon of a man?

My friend maybe you should Ask FightandDiefor Allah for the Crusader Video. You should take a look at that one bro.

Im not getting angry im getting happy. lol I cant be serious

Crusader Video my ear.

Pick up a newspaper, turn on a TV, read the news........Who appears to hate everyone?

What does a video prove? If I were so weak to believe a video, I would think that all Muslims hate everybody.

I think alot of us Muslims should keep our mouth shut,
Muslims as brothers, we reallly should keep quiet sometimes and listen, I am not saying anyone's death is good. But neither are most Christians on this board.

Alot of them Dont agree with wars and so on.

But again, SOME muslims seem to feel compelled to scratch everyone in a tactic of self defense. And they end up doing what the Anti-Muslims do and generalise.

All this 'debate' talk, seems very arrogant, ok, Islam has better basis than Christianity. Why do we need a debate???

Write a paper on it, an article and post it.

All this debate talk is sickening, and I think back to my Christian days, if I heard a Muslim going on saying 'debate me, debate me, the loser changes his religion' I would walk away from Islaam.

Really, alot of us need to stop thinking we are Ahmed Deedats and Zakir Naiks.

I ask as a brother in Islaam.

P.s that poster was very, very shameful to me anyway.
and the picture of that Muslim man, that just made me argh, well I rather not backbite. but it didnt feel good.

Peace be upon yall

Salam
I think that this is covering something else.
Because if you think about it, what a waste of paper. But its making money.

format_quote Originally Posted by ImaChristian

Crusader Video my ear.

Pick up a newspaper, turn on a TV, read the news........Who appears to hate everyone?

What does a video prove? If I were so weak to believe a video, I would think that all Muslims hate everybody.

"crusader video my ear" Maybe coz its the truth thats why "crusader video my ear" No point in denying the real facts unless you jus wanna live in a fantasy world

and everyone know the Media are against Islam & Muslims they'll do anything to protrait the worse possible image of Islam, create lies and brainwash ppl into beliveing the rubbish they make up....but as i said before Watch the truth prevail no matter what!

In addition if you wanna watch the vid out of curiousity...here it is

Crusaders

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Christians don't "hate" Muslims...but I know when I see them discriminate against them... right after 9/11... what happened at airport security? they took those who looked like Muslims and searched them more than a blonde haired lady...or anyone else...because they were racists...im not saying they were Christians and that all discriminate...i just think that it is impossible to say that "All Christians hate Muslims or All Christians don't hate Muslims.." Do you know every single Christian in the world and what they think? Can you read their minds? Yeah..I didn't think so. I'm a Christian and I'm not going to stick up for them...because some of them don't do the right thing and that is spreading peace towards other religions...like Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fight&Die4Allah

"crusader video my ear" Maybe coz its the truth thats why "crusader video my ear" No point in denying the real facts unless you jus wanna live in a fantasy world

and everyone know the Media are against Islam & Muslims they'll do anything to protrait the worse possible image of Islam, create lies and brainwash ppl into beliveing the rubbish they make up....but as i said before Watch the truth prevail no matter what!

In addition if you wanna watch the vid out of curiousity...here it is

Crusaders

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I guess the Muslim media are against Muslims too?

As I said earlier, I don't condone making fun of anyone, however, I must be misunderstanding something in this cartoon deal. The way I understand it is that Muslims don't have pictures of Mahammad because that might be idolizing him but it is ok to burn buildings, threaten to destroy God's own creations, destroy God's own creations, etc because someone drew a cartoon of the man who they are not supposed to idolize. Please explain.

While you are explaining, please explain how Christians came into this deal?

mahdisoldier19,

It seems you take the word Kafir to be very violent

, Huh? Once again use those supposed superior debate skills you have (debating includes listening to the other person so that you know what you are debating about), I said nothing about "kafir" being referred to as violent, I said "YOU" are violent. Man! How many times do I gotta repeat the same thing?! I was only justifying describing you as an infidel.

It seems brothers and sisters, These Kafirs like to take a few photos here and there and say look islam is violence?

posted right after my post with a photo, then in the same post,

Remember Im challenging you to a debate!

referring to an earlier challenge directed at me personally. This entire post was without doubt directed at me. Then this,

Second,I was not refering my post to you. I was refering it to the people that EVEN THOUGHT About mentioning to draw our Prophet in the canadan papers.

A blatant lie. The post in question was without doubt refering to me. It was directed directly at me. There was no mention of people drawing prophets in canadian papers. This response is nothing short of a lie. Plain and simple.

Third, I have many christian friends and we all get along just fine. I dont see where you getting at as me being violent? I actually am very peaceful in real life if you knew me.

and

Do i encourage hate and fighting? No

Well, you tell me,

I will meet you anywhere in New York and i will love for you to attempt to beat me like how they did And you can bring a stick and try to beat me like how they did.

- invitation to violence

I remember when 9/11 happened i was in School and some kid was like who HERE IS AFGHAN! i got up I am what you want to say about that?

I understand your defending your heritage here, and actually comment you for it, but it is still not very 'peaceful'

Salam Alaikam Dont worry brother youll hear me in a few years : ) Inshallah

after the post that was before this statement, everybody knew the not so subtle meaning to this

Im Sorry you must be the Most Ignorant and dumbest person on this board.
How much of an Idiot Are you?

more promoting peace

Well When i shoot off to afghanistan i know Im knocking a few heads out of my hometown!.

your people will be pleased to have you back with your new american attitude

If i were you i would keep your mouth shut on this topic

more peace

Wow... whoever wants to argue with chechnian soldiers after this article. Your truly retarded

peace brother

So , peaceful in "real" life? Hmm. I Dunno. Something else you have said,

I know the tricks and how to decieve people.

Yes, I am quite sure that you do.

So do not judge me when you dont know me.

I can only judge you as you present yourself.

You however seem to have a keen disliking in me

I dislike what you do

Twisting things around and trying to present a presentation to everyone as that im provoking hatred towards christians

Untrue, no twisting was required, people only need read your previous posts as proof. You have been creating tension on numerous occasions.

BUT, When US Soldiers are in iraq and in guantameno bay ripping the Quran and beating Innocent Muslims ? I guess thats considered Justice?

Once again, distracting from the topic on hand, nothing was said about this by me, this trick does not work with me. But since you ask, no, that is not justice for an innocent muslim in G Bay to be beaten. Some are probably innocent, and some guilty. Beatings are still wrong.

When those soldiers of chechnia the last resistance take photos of themselves. SOMEONE has the nerve to say THIS IS A BAD IMAGE FOR ISLAM. What are you talking about?

Once again, the old change the subject trick does not work on me. "What am I talking about?", nothing, you brought up the chechnia thing, What are YOU TALKING ABOUT?

AND AGAIN, You take a photo of a man whos only defending his religion and his Prophet where he has that right because what the danish did was completely wrong , you snap that photo and Say Oh look This guy is implenting violence?

AND AGAIN, yes it was wrong to print photos that would obviously offend muslims. And again, yes this man is promoting violence. And again, he is an idiot because to say "behead those that say islam is violent" is in itself an oxymoron, it contradicts itself. In case you plan again on twisting my words to say I am attacking islam, make no mistake, understand, I have no problem with muslims, I have a problem with people spreading hate and violence.
I have noticed that you talk much anger and hate, but when someone calls you on it you quickly change your tune to the peaceful guy. It is only deceit. A ploy to win the discussion. Bend the truth or lie to win.

I know the tricks and how to decieve people.

Not everybody is decieved.

And as for you Fight&die4Allah,

and thats all im gonna say on the matter mate coz i dont wanna get into a pointless arugement wit ya..

Well good, you have already made your pointless arguement with your post.

trying your best to protrait ISLAM as a violent religion

you say you did not read my post, hardly deserves a reply then as you are commenting without getting your facts straight. I will reply anyway, if you had bothered to read my post, you would have seen that I was actually defending good muslims against the appearance thrust on them by a few bad seeds.

Furthermore I don’t think that poster is promoting violence I don’t see it saying KILL KILL!!

This is a blatant lie. Any person can see the poster for what it is, a sword through a danish flag with blood splattering around. Violent.
Lying is wrong.

and thats all im gonna say

I certainly hope so.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Hello ImaChristian

As you would expect, this question has been asked dozens of times over the past weeks, so to avoid repetition, I'm simply going to provide you with the link to my original response. If you have any further comments, you can post them in that thread. Here's the link:
http://www.islamicboard.com/176386-post34.html

Regards

Let me see if I have this straight. Anytime that someone doesn't believe what I believe or insults me or what I believe in then I should lash out and start destroying things. As it is, the atheist movement is fighting the use of God's name on anything public, prayer in public, etc so if I were to follow your thread then I would start protesting by destroying things, and attempting to to bring harm to those who do not align with me and my beliefs. I would put myself in the spotlight of those (media) who I think have tried to mark me as violent as a violent people and show them that I am not a violent people by throwing rocks, beating on things with sticks, burning things, cursing those who don't agree with me, etc. My dear friend, I believe this is one of those points where we will just have to agree to disagree.

format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19

My friend maybe you should Ask FightandDiefor Allah for the Crusader Video. You should take a look at that one bro.

I watched your video and to be perfectly honest with you....if I were of the Muslim faith, I would search out every copy of that propaganda and destroy it.

format_quote Originally Posted by ImaChristian

I watched your video and to be perfectly honest with you....if I were of the Muslim faith, I would search out every copy of that propaganda and destroy it.

How can the truth be propaganda..This is whats happening those are the real Terrorist in that Video, Bush & his dogs are the REAL terrorist but you are blind to that..i suggest you check out the following links and then come and tell me who without any mercy MURDER and TORTURE innocent ppl

>> http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...vade-iraq.html

>> http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...-humanity.html

WAKE UP to the real situation mate

and also i was waiting for one of you to come and say that the vid is propaganda..lol....THIS IS AINT NO PROPAGANDA ITS THE TRUTH!

My friend, truth don't come in little bits and pieces of a man's speech. This proves nothing to anyone. War was indeed declared but that war was not declared on the Muslim faith. The video is PURE PROPAGANDA and does no good for anyone.

Since I am obviously not as intellegent as you are, please explain to me the purpose of such a video.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Judging by your comments you haven't read my post properly at all. Please go read the post and respond specifically to what I've written so that we don't get these misunderstandings. I explicitly condemned the violence and the destruction and provided links to Muslims scholars who did likewise, yet somehow you manage to [mis]interpret my post so badly that you thought it was okay to do exactly what I was condemning!!!

The reaction you have witnessed is related to what these caricatures really signify. Muslims feel that there has been an on-going campaign undertaken by many elements within the western media to malign and demonize Islam. Islam and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has been repeatedly attacked and at a time when we need to reach out and increase our understanding of different minority groups we find that instead misconceptions and slanderous comments are being propagated. When these cartoons were published, the Muslim community in Denmark and other western countries felt that the percieved attack on Islam had now become obvious. The cartoons represented a malicious attempt to malign Islam and incite more hatred towards the Muslim community. This is why the Muslims felt that they needed to voice loud protest and cause the world to realize that we cannot continue to propagate hatred towards others if we intend to promote peace.


My friend, the above is copy and pasted directly from your post. Perhaps, I did misunderstand your intentions but I don't think I misunderstood your writings.
The cartoons in question are just that. They are cartoons. I don't condone the cartoons but at the same time, I and most of the world would have never known of these cartoons' existance had all of these riots and protests never existed. If I want to promote the eating of grapefruit, would I stand in the streets and smash grapefruits? Would you agree that promotion of peace is best done by being peaceful?

Peace my fellows

I got a question, but where is the poll??? I cant find it.

thanx