I’m getting really fed up with being referred to as a 'kafir' as it is almost in all case’s being used in a derogative way.
This is a quote from another member in another thread, and it raises an important issue. In the current climate of ultra sensitive, politically correct, general touchiness of most people nowadays, it is safe to say many members of this forum demand respect for thier particular belief and/or religion. Many members would for example be upset even at the way A person used the word 'muslim' if the tone seemed a bit harsh. And certainly would lash out if any derogatory terms were used in reference to muslims.
Yet, many times the term 'kafir' (sometimes 'kufir') is used, and more than not in a derogative way. I understand the meaning of the word, and when used politely, it can appear to only be used for it's implied meaning. The truth is many members use it as a 'shot', an insult when they want to avoid any other name calling and risk mods warning them. Some examples are,
"you kafirs", "a kafir cannot understand", "you are just a kafir"
and many more. Basically, anytime it is used to imply that nonmuslims are lower in status, or inferior in understanding than a muslim. Truly, this only lends to the appearance of being ignorant and arrogant on the insulter. Any sensible person knows that a muslim is no better or worse than any other person.
It is true that many members demand respect as muslims, but if you continue to refer to others in this way, how can you expect to recieve this respect? It is antagonizing others and then claiming "you are angry againsts muslims", when in fact your words baited them into anger.
Yes it is true that nonmuslims are also doing this, and this just shows that we all need to think before we post. If you post something that is less than polite to another member, it is likely you may not like the response. Of course some like the fighting, and I don't know what to say about that case.
"Oh hello Kafir, thanks for the maths lesson. I enjoyed being taught by a kafir. Wanna come round my house for some tea, kafir? Actually, you can't as my house is a kafir-free zone." Not exactly doing me any favours whilst I live in a kafir-run country is it.
HAHA PUSHIN KIKIN PUNCHIN JUS GETTIN A BASEBALL BET AND SMASHIN THE RED BUTTON IN BRO!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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And "Paki" just means someone who is pure. And the N-word refers to someone who is Black. It is not what it means, it is how it is intended.
That's true. And that is why people need to addess eachother in a polite fashion. While 'Kaafir' is the term used for a disbeliever, it is totally against the methodology of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh to speak to non-muslims in an offensive manner because that will increase their aversion to Islam. The Qur'an itself says: 25:63 And the true servants of the Most Gracious are those who walk upon the earth with humility, and when the ignorant address them they respond with wors of peace.
I would refrain from calling people kafir regardless of the meaning. See that is like saying "hello black man" to a...well, black man. Unless you are using it to serve a reasonable purpose, I would say stay away from the word "kafir".
His point is people are using kafir in the wrong term: kafir means disbeliever in islam, however you see comments like: oh don't listen to him, he's a dirty kafir. This is an insult - not a fact. Also, you see other comments like: "he's kafir therefore he smells". It leads to a form of racism you know. I don't go around calling people kafir cus i think it's anti social.
"Oh hello Kafir, thanks for the maths lesson. I enjoyed being taught by a kafir. Wanna come round my house for some tea, kafir? Actually, you can't as my house is a kafir-free zone." Not exactly doing me any favours whilst I live in a kafir-run country is it.
Well I appreciate all your post right down to this last bit. I'd like to think people were nice to me because I deserve some respect, not because they are worried about how they will be treated by others like me. Exactly how would you treat me in a Muslim-majority country? The only reason that the use of the term is fine by me is because it is like being insulted by your little brother. There is no power to it. As long as Muslims remain a minority that remains the situation.
As for the first bit, well there is a fine line - what if your Imam tells you that kafirs are najis?
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
As for the first bit, well there is a fine line - what if your Imam tells you that kafirs are najis?
Imams can tell me what they like, it doesn't mean I will listen. I follow my own instinct - if there is a situation that I don't know how to get out of, then i'll follow the actions of the Prophet [saw] otherwise I take my own path and use the Quran and sunnah as guidelines.
I don't get into trouble at college cus i don't act like a prat: I do my work and get on with practically everyone just fine - be they kafir or not. Why? cus i'm respectful of other's around me. Whether you are kafir or not, i'll treat you with the same respect.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Well I appreciate all your post right down to this last bit. I'd like to think people were nice to me because I deserve some respect, not because they are worried about how they will be treated by others like me. Exactly how would you treat me in a Muslim-majority country? The only reason that the use of the term is fine by me is because it is like being insulted by your little brother. There is no power to it. As long as Muslims remain a minority that remains the situation.
As for the first bit, well there is a fine line - what if your Imam tells you that kafirs are najis?
Well 2 of my closest friends are Christian and Atheist. I have known them for many years and never did I hear anyone call them Kafir. Of course I never called them that either. Never even thought about it till now. And we are living in a Muslim majority country. I really dont think if people call you kafir here then they would do the same in real life. This is the internet after all.
What did you mean by Muslims being a minority? Do you mean in your community they are a minority?
If so, would your feelings change if you lived in a Muslim majority country and someone called you that?
V should not have any Hazitation to say a non-muslim Kafir
if a non-muslim is angry with me that had said him Kafir then I like to tell him that Kafir is Arabic word which mean non-muslim soo if u not wanna be called Kafir then Accept Islam then u will be our brother
! L0ve W@lk!ng !n R@!n Bec@use N0b0dy C@n See Me Cry!ng!!
What did you mean by Muslims being a minority? Do you mean in your community they are a minority?
If so, would your feelings change if you lived in a Muslim majority country and someone called you that?
Yes, I mean where I have been living recently and where I was brought up Muslims were a minority. Yes, I think my feelings would change if I lived in a Muslim majority country. Then it would be the powerful oppressing the weak, not the weak merely dreaming on oppressing me.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
if a non-muslim is angry with me that had said him Kafir then I like to tell him that Kafir is Arabic word which mean non-muslim soo if u not wanna be called Kafir then Accept Islam then u will be our brother
You know the German poem that goes "if you will not be my Brother, I will smash your skull in"?
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
I do not have anything against being called a "Kafir". But all words can be used in wrong ways to offend people. It is like hearing someone saying, "well, you know those Muslims....". If it is said in a good way - it does not offend me but if anyone uses it as a word of abuse, I react.
My point is that I do not like any words that are used to offend me and it has nothing to do with the word, but in the way people might use them.
I do my work and get on with practically everyone just fine - be they kafir or not. Why? cus i'm respectful of other's around me. Whether you are kafir or not, i'll treat you with the same respect.
Well said, and no doubt you'll receive respect from those same people. To receive respect you have to give it.
If we all treated each other with respect, whether muslim, christian, jew etc., both for the person and their beliefs we would be living in a much better world.
Yes, I mean where I have been living recently and where I was brought up Muslims were a minority. Yes, I think my feelings would change if I lived in a Muslim majority country. Then it would be the powerful oppressing the weak, not the weak merely dreaming on oppressing me.
Why would you'r feeling change?, and why would you think it will be opressing?
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