Time for a modern progressive islam

Good an evil are universal. What was good hundreds of years ago, is good today.

Islam is a universal system. It does not need to be 'reformed', it is perfect as it it. These comments come from a misunderstanding of Islam.


Don't you think its better to understand something before you ask people to change it?

If something is perfect why change it?

If you don't think Islam is perfect, would you kindly show me the 'problem' with Islam?

aslaam alykum,

the only reason we are suffering is because we allow so called 'mulsim' leaders to lead our countries, we allow oursleves to be ruled by a kufar system. we dont need to integrate into modern society, rather modern society should integrate into our way o life i.e. khilafah. with the reinstation of khilafah and only with the reinstaion of khilafah will the muslims be able to recalim their dignity and stop these backward cultural traditions. that should be our goal, instead of going to kaffir and saying "lubayk, we will concede to your every whim" which is what your efectivley saying, and how can we rely on the kuffar if we cant rely on our very own scholars and leaders?

wa alykum aslaam

you have good intentions, but you are implying that the solution is modernising, now, when you go further into modernising, you get somebody like irshad manji, don know who she is? look her up.

Modernisation isn't required.
Unity is.

format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab

Modernisation isn't required.
Unity is.

Again i would have to disagree there, we have been saying that for how many years but it never happens. We cannot call for unity as a primary requisite, over the years this call has proved to be futile. What im stating is this, you should call for individual reform, because when everybody individually reforms, unity is something which comes automatically. Asking people to unite when they havent even got the best of adab, iman, or 'ilm, is like trying to work backwards. The real real solution is to say, Muslims need to individually reform.

indvidiual reform means, you could say, tazkiyah, but its a bit more intricate, in short it means, perfecting ourselves to the highest degree of manners, learning our religon properly, EVERYONE, then we can call for unity when everyone has these things.

I agree with that.

However, because we havn't united is why the muslims have become dvided. Modernising Islam wont change that because there will still be a divide.

The only problem with individual reform is that not all muslims are as intelligent as they should be - thus will make mistakes whilst trying to reform therefore creating more divide.

Hope you can understand what i mean now

format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab

The only problem with individual reform is that not all muslims are as intelligent as they should be - thus will make mistakes whilst trying to reform therefore creating more divide.

Hope you can understand what i mean now

Yeah, i understand what you are saying, of course you are going to have problems with everything in life, but that is why i put the world "'ilm" in my initial post, which means knowledge, we need to become, knowledgeable to some degree, because the more intelligent people can support the less intelligent, and lets not forget everybody has something someone else doesnt have. Like i said, trust what i say, unity comes automatically ones all the pre requisites such as adab, iman, and ilm have been fulfilled, i take my evidence from old days. Ottoman empire, and previously, they had all of these things and we got people like khawarizmi and Ibn Sina.

Again, i agree i know what your saying.
Now that was a nice conversation wasn't it?
clever muslim aint ya?

aslaam alykum,

what are u trying to say Lateralaus, that we should all be individuals, thats a very dangerous concept, i mean if were all individuals, what is there keeping me caring for any of you? i could say that actually im and individual so i can do whatever i want, so i wouldnt have to do what is best for the ummah, rather i could do whatever is best or me as an individual......

wa alykum aslaam

format_quote Originally Posted by tru_nigga

Today the muslim world is suffering. We are in a pathetic state. We are economically impoverished, technologically backward, and divisions and conflicts are tearing us apart. We need to energize ourselves and start moving ahead.

Our religion we parctice today is frozen in history, we are not able to live in our times and practice our faith. Our religious scholars rely on the past and thus Islam now has a medieval feel.

We need to stop using religion as an excuse to resist chane and reform. The islamic fiqh has been frozen for the past 600 years and we are now practicing our religion with rules and doctrines laid out some of them 1250 years ago.

We need to examine and scrutinize our past. We need to look at how our religion has evolved through history. We need to accept intelectual arguments and reform the fiqh to modern standards or we will remain dependent on others for our survival.

We need to start with the so called hadith science, we need to examine how they were compiled, how they were categorized and how they have evolved. We need to re-examine its place in our faith and fiqh. We need to conduct a fact finding mission to see the accuracy and reliability of the hadith using modern day knowledge and science. We can not rely on the sciences of 7th century arabia. Unless we re-examine the fiqh we will continue to lag behind.

word!!! :applaud: