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  • Yes, as long as I do not have to spend anything

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  • Yes, as long as I do not have to agree with what the History books say

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  • Not sure, but I might think about it at some point

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Can you get those fish to fly?

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    Exclamation Can you get those fish to fly? (OP)




    It is an old saying amongst scholars who have been working for many years; trying to achieve unity within the Muslims Ummah, that it would take a miracle to unite the Muslims.

    Some say they are waiting for the Mahdi, others say they are right and everyone else is going to hell. There are many people living in a false hope that everything will be fine by itself without trying. It maybe something to take no short than a miracle to solve, but this does not mean, we throw away the truth completely and hope that one day Mahdi is going to come and all the Muslims will join him as one Ummah; and will defeat falsehood.

    One step that many sectarian Muslims are taking against unity is throwing away knowledge; or at least trying their best to stay away from it. Whenever anyone tries to speak the truth about what should be common knowledge; such as Islamic History, they are silenced. This anti-Islamic attitude of sectarian Muslims is one of the majors factors keeping the Muslims from uniting.

    Those of you who wish to unite should try to get off the net for a while, get Islamic History books, get Islamic Shariah books and any other to study. Always start off with the History, before jumping ahead; that way will help you understand ahadeeth better as well as which people (narrators) to trust and who you cannot trut. All this idea about people seeking unity online seems to have become a joke to those in authoritative positions on those so called unity seeking sites.


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    Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

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    I agree with Br. azim's post; this thread, if anything, seems to be dividing more than uniting anyone. I only just understood what was being said here, and so I apologise for the late reply, but I am quite surprised. Why should we disregard "history books" as you called them, when they were written by some of the greatest scholars in our past?

    If anything, we should be learning from such books of knowledge as a step towards increasing our understanding of Islaam and uniting the Ummah thereby.

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    Exclamation Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad View Post


    I agree with Br. azim's post; this thread, if anything, seems to be dividing more than uniting anyone. I only just understood what was being said here, and so I apologise for the late reply, but I am quite surprised. Why should we disregard "history books" as you called them, when they were written by some of the greatest scholars in our past?

    If anything, we should be learning from such books of knowledge as a step towards increasing our understanding of Islaam and uniting the Ummah thereby.



    Have you actually read the first poat in this thread? It is not about disregarding the books, it is about getting people to actually start considering them, because at the moment all that can be seen is people teaching eachother lies to cover up the truth. To cover up one lie, many lies are told; until what people are taught becomes currupt.

    If people do not wake up and read what these books say, then there will be more problems when it comes to history and hadeeth.

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    Re: Can you get those fish to fly?



    I am sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you; I think I got that impression from the poll. It is unlikely that anyone will vote for the last 4 options unless they are non-Muslim.
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    Lightbulb Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad View Post


    I am sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you; I think I got that impression from the poll. It is unlikely that anyone will vote for the last 4 options unless they are non-Muslim.


    The poll is there to get people to think, not merely to just see what people might vote for. They might actually at some point see the importance of picking up the book and reading what it says. There is still plenty of knowledge stored in those books, we just have to read them.


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    A talk on Muslim unity. It was posted earlier on by someone on the UI forum: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=ishaq&pl=true

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    Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

    format_quote Originally Posted by azim View Post
    Asalamu alaykum.

    Regarding sectarian issues, I think it is a very good idea to restrict their discussion. Why? Look around the forum, there is a large number of youngsters, many of whom perhaps know little about different sects, their history etc... If they want to learn about the different sects, there is plenty of information in the respective sub-sections and on the internet in general.

    The point is, sectarian issues should be discussed by those who have knowledge (deep knowledge). It shouldnt be discussed by youngsters and teenagers (even they might have an excellent understanding of the deen and history of Islam etc...) because its not our place to discuss it.

    What benefit could come from allowing sectarian discussions?
    Asalaamualaikum

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    Question Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ummah View Post

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    Originally Posted by azim wwwislamicboardcom - Can you get those fish to fly?
    Asalamu alaykum.

    Regarding sectarian issues, I think it is a very good idea to restrict their discussion. Why? Look around the forum, there is a large number of youngsters, many of whom perhaps know little about different sects, their history etc... If they want to learn about the different sects, there is plenty of information in the respective sub-sections and on the internet in general.

    The point is, sectarian issues should be discussed by those who have knowledge (deep knowledge). It shouldnt be discussed by youngsters and teenagers (even they might have an excellent understanding of the deen and history of Islam etc...) because its not our place to discuss it.

    What benefit could come from allowing sectarian discussions?



    Asalaamualaikum

    agreed.


    Can we get back to the topic now?


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    Question Re: Can you get those fish to fly?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Waheed View Post


    Can we get back to the topic now?


    Do you have a recorded or written version to your talk about the apple tree (from last year)?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Eddi View Post
    Do you have a recorded or written version to your talk about the apple tree (from last year)?


    I haven't, but I can try to get hold of it from someone Insha-Allah. Or I can write another version of it; I still remember the topic.


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    format_quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Waheed View Post


    I haven't, but I can try to get hold of it from someone Insha-Allah. Or I can write another version of it; I still remember the topic.



    Once you written it can you post a copy here and on your site inshallah
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