England Muslims

**limitless** · 07-26-2006

I have watched, read, and heard of what is occurring in England to muslims. My question is towards all muslims living in England (that includes convert, immigrates, and others etc...). Do you feel safe living in England as a Muslim? Or would rather migrate to a differ country or marry (for unmarried) the individual who is living in a differ country?

If this offended anyone, I do apologize and please notify me I will edit it.

**chacha_jalebi** · 07-27-2006

salaam

i think the whole england muslimy tingy has been like over exagerated, its not as bad as the media or people think it is, bare ppl do except dat muslims aint all terrorists & many people live 2geva all happily dapppily

. but probly it depends on the area ur from and stuff, in london & especially moi area theres neva been any racism

cos ders no1 2 b racist 2

but i do think that the media do try to divide the muslims from the rest of england, cos of the term "BRITISH MUSLIMS" dat term annoys moi, because aint we posed 2 b british

all united as 1

& sacrifice ourselfs 4 d queen

bless d old bag

lol naa, like british ppl promote proper unity & stuff yet, they have words such as "british muslims", why dont they use words such as "british christians"? or even british hindus

u neva hear them secludin any1 else, they always seclude muslims, so its understandable for people not 2 want 2 live here, but i tink the racism thing has been over exagerated

and its not as bad as it is portrayed

**Ghazi** · 07-27-2006

sacrifice ourselfs 4 d queen

Joker

, I aint scarificing my live for her, she already takes my dosh in taxes and lives of it.

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 07-27-2006

if england and islam was to have a war guess which side i would be on even if minority (which it sadly looks like it will be)

**Sis786** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by root

I always bear in mind that whilst working in Karachi, Pakistan I required an armed Guard to walk me to and from the Hotel in Karachi to the place of work, all because I was European looking. Kids would stare at me ALL the time and I stuck out like a soar thumb. Eventully I took to wearing all black local clothing but it did not change that much. People still stood and stared............

Dont take too offensive when a non-pakistani goes to Pakistan they always gets stares but it more like people are in awe of you. Pakistanis love people that are not from Pakistan and that includes people like me born in Britain but have Parents from Pakistan!

**chacha_jalebi** · 07-27-2006

root

what have you got againist pakistan

and how dya know they were starin @ ya if u werent starin @ em, huh huh huh? armed guard? lol he jus wannid 2 get sum money of u man, in pakiland ya gota b careful the armed guards will rob ya

and security outside Maccy D, c how posh we r

and me agrees wit donkey sista, even when we come 2 pakistan 4 sum reason they r fascinated by us

bless d smelly nit infested paki kiddies

**Kittygyal** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

root

what have you got againist pakistan

and how dya know they were starin @ ya if u werent starin @ em, huh huh huh? armed guard? lol he jus wannid 2 get sum money of u man, in pakiland ya gota b careful the armed guards will rob ya

and security outside Maccy D, c how posh we r

and me agrees wit donkey sista, even when we come 2 pakistan 4 sum reason they r fascinated by us

bless d smelly nit infested paki kiddies

translate that again plz

**chacha_jalebi** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by islamgyal

translate that again plz

*yawns*

well my sister within humanity and within islam, i was saying referring to roots comments about pakistan,

and i was commenting

on them, asking him how did he know that the kids were staring at him if he werent staring at them, and armed guards outside maccy d (Mc donalds

) shows that pakistan is posh

and pakistanis are fascinated by all people from outside, even when we go back home they get excited

i sincerly hope from the bottom of my aspharagus (dnt mess wit d poshness)

that you did understand now

**Kittygyal** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

*yawns*

well my sister within humanity and within islam, i was saying referring to roots comments about pakistan,

and i was commenting

on them, asking him how did he know that the kids were staring at him if he werent staring at them, and armed guards outside maccy d (Mc donalds

) shows that pakistan is posh

and pakistanis are fascinated by all people from outside, even when we go back home they get excited

i sincerly hope from the bottom of my aspharagus (dnt mess wit d poshness)

that you did understand now

humm maybe you could keep the "poshness" will be nice if you do lolz,

**Fishman** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by amirah_87

ass salaamu alaykum

^^^^^^^^^^exactly...try wearing the whole black kit!!...you actually feel as though they're gonna lash out at you any second!!
but alhamdulillah i have'nt been physially abused YET!! but the verbal one's are very common!!

ALLLAAHUMA UNSUR AL-ISLAM WALMUSLIMEEN!!

I would say 'try wearing the whole white kit'(thobe+sirwal+kufi), but that would be promoting cross-dressing!

**Hijaabi22** · 07-27-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

donkey sista

ahahahaha

**limitless** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by -----------

Live din England all my life wudnt wana live anywhere else proud 2 be a british muslim

That is good ideology, and I am a proud to be a Canadian Muslim, it is the best country (everyone respects muslims despite any dress code), with so much enriching oppurnaties to be explored.

**snakelegs** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by Mazed

if england and islam was to have a war guess which side i would be on even if minority (which it sadly looks like it will be)

you are aware that if there were a lot of muslims who felt this way, and the brits caught on, muslims could be considered a "fifth column".
in case you're not aware of the meaning of this term, it is used about a group of people which clandestinely undermines a larger group to which it is expected to be loyal, such as a nation.

**scentsofjannah** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by ahkar shams

theres no problems living in england, you get the odd few who try take the pi## i mean that happend even well before 9/11, i would be called a fanatic just becuase i had a beard, then again you get some really nice people i was walking to town with a miswaak in the mouth, two white youths come up to me and say "do you know you got a stick in your mouth" i explained to them that this was the sunnah and why we use it, the two lads shook my hand and said thank for the lesson.

ROFL..seriously that made me laugh my head off!

**scentsofjannah** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by Dawud_uk

assalaamu alaykum,

i have had simular such good experiences but also very bad ones, in my experience the old age pensioners are the worse!

they have spat at me and used horid abuse, may Allah give them guidence, ameen.

at the end of the day scholars say we should only stay in darul kufr for three reasons, Education not available in darul islam that will benefit darul islam, medical treatment that is not available in darul islam or if we are giving dawah.

even then certain conditions must be put in place, that we are free to follow our deen and not forbidden to practice it.

e.g muslims should all leave france, they are not allowing muslimah's to observe their fard duty to Allah in covering themselves.

but are muslims truly free to practice their deen in britain?
at a time of war the zakat is supposed to be used to support the mujahadeen but we cannot do that here, so are we free to practice our deen?

when muslims are attacked we have a duty to help them anyway we can, are we free to do that in britain?

personally i have some plans for making hijrah but it is a matter of where can i go? i only speak english and have little qualifications so where is it i can go where they would take me in?

so i am looking at what i can do, looking at different options and insha'allah see how i can develop myself to either become a better da'ee or to make hijrah.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

brother Dawud you're english..this is your country and the country of your ancestors..if you choose to become a muslim that doesnt mean you start thinking this is not your country..sure it isnt darul islam..but what you can do is make da'wah and invite people to the beautiful deen with your beautiful actions and words..preferably actions..

We have to stop thinking that this is not our country and that we all should emigrate en masse to some muslim country..

China isnt a muslim country..yet it has an ethnic Muslim population numbering in the millions..25 million to be precise, (some say its more than that) and they do have many problems like restrictions ..not being able to build mosques in certain places etc..imagine if they all made hijrah to some muslim countries? they'd overwhlem those countries..its an impossibility!!

I love Britain ..that doesnt mean i love everything about western culture..some aspects are admirable, others abhorrent to me and i really believe as Muslims we should enrich this country and provide alternative solutions to many social problems..example the alcohol problem(its estimated millions are addicted to it), anti-social behaviour, unwanted teen pregnancies..even the example of the miswak..i know it seems funny but if everyone here used it (and we know brits have a reputation for having 'bad teeth')..trust me the dental profession would die out.

**snakelegs** · 07-28-2006

scents,
what a great post.

**AvarAllahNoor** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by Sis786

I live in a mulitcutural area my city alone has 84 Mosques and number of churches, temples and Guduwaras. We all get on I walk and back to work with my Hijab on and i always get a smile and hello from the non-muslims.

That pleases me truly it does! Harmony amongst religions.

**gamsta3** · 07-28-2006

I've been called a paki many times whilst walking down the road. I've walked into coffee shops and had people running out shouting 'OH S**T'. On juma, at college, whilst sitting doing my work i've had people making fun of the deen by sticking their fingers in their ears, hence imitating the man who gives adan. I do not wear a beard or muslim clothing. This all started after madrid bombs and has definitely intensified since the july 7 tube bombs. Things have definitely changed for me.

**scentsofjannah** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by snakelegs

scents,
what a great post.

thanks..honestly i cant understand it when people say we have to make hijrah..that we are obligated under Islamic law to do so?..its impossible and not right.

there are people here who need us too..but i can understand those skilled muslims(doctors, teachers, nurses etc) who go to poor muslim countriies to help the disadvantaged, i can also understand those who feel they have to flee because of the changing circumstances..i have no respect though for those muslims who go to glitzy Jeddah or Dubai and then say all of us have to follow suit

**scentsofjannah** · 07-28-2006

Originally Posted by gamsta3

I've been called a paki many times whilst walking down the road. I've walked into coffee shops and had people running out shouting 'OH S**T'. On juma, at college, whilst sitting doing my work i've had people making fun of the deen by sticking their fingers in their ears, hence imitating the man who gives adan. I do not wear a beard or muslim clothing. This all started after madrid bombs and has definitely intensified since the july 7 tube bombs. Things have definitely changed for me.

I have been called a f--- b---- by some guys in a passing truck.

i was waiting for my bus and there was quite a queue when this car came and splashed dirty muddy rainwater all over me..to be quite honest i was struggling to hold back my tears.

i had a pasty (i think it was a cheese and onion one) thrown at me by some racist teenage boys who got nothing better to do...this was in the highstreet and it was busy.

i know the situation is not good here because of world events and 77 but we have to be patient..Allah is with the patient and we have to make an alliance with the forces for good regardless of background to better our communities

**limitless** · 07-30-2006

Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

I have been called a f--- b---- by some guys in a passing truck.

i was waiting for my bus and there was quite a queue when this car came and splashed dirty muddy rainwater all over me..to be quite honest i was struggling to hold back my tears.

i had a pasty (i think it was a cheese and onion one) thrown at me by some racist teenage boys who got nothing better to do...this was in the highstreet and it was busy.

i know the situation is not good here because of world events and 77 but we have to be patient..Allah is with the patient and we have to make an alliance with the forces for good regardless of background to better our communities

That's horrible. You should not bare that, by saying Allah says that and that. Remeber it is not a muslim country, you are obiligated to bare such things.There was a story or Hadith based on musim country or something similar, I do not have it at this momment. I think you should migrate from that country.