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What is a chav?
What is a chav?
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Someone who wears a black hoodie and lots of gold jewlery, usually smoking on the street corner. They sometimes wear a cap under their hoodie.

Chavs are commonly refered to as 'gangstas'.
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chavs are people of Britain who are poorly educated, hooked on smoking, badly clothed, living in ugly red brick houses, lacking in morals and self-discipline .

I'm sorry if i was too harsh.
 
you know when we talk about chavs (refering to white) being racist but honestly its amongstother cultures and races aswell! sometimes some asian people who from different area or has different culture than looks down on you. my sister friend said to my sister and she is a pakistani 'my mum said you guys kidnap girls and murder them' or smething like that just cause my parent lives on the border of pakistan and afghanistan, so my sis told me mum who was so offended! i'm just using this to show that its amongst different races being prejudice, but we assume its the english people because we live in their country and only see them being rude to us than other people! my cousin lives in dubai and he finds some of them really racist, because he's lived there and has only experienced prejudice behaviour from them!
 
chavs are people of Britain who are poorly educated, hooked on smoking, badly clothed, living in ugly red brick houses, lacking in morals and self-discipline .

I'm sorry if i was too harsh.

Well no a chav imo is a young person who has not a lot to do besides hang around on street corners in tracksuits. I don’t think it has anything to do with how well educated one is or how there brought up, its just a new fashion faze kind of thing, every 5 years or so there’s a new one, hippies, mods, rockers, punks… etc

I also think it’s a bit unfair to say its white trash who are only chavs, many blacks and Asians dress and act exactly the same but for some reason there not labelled as chavs (so what are they called then:? ).
 
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Someone who wears a black hoodie and lots of gold jewlery, usually smoking on the street corner. They sometimes wear a cap under their hoodie.

Chavs are commonly refered to as 'gangstas'.
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Chavs and gangstas are not the same thing. Chav is used exclusively to refer to white working class guys, usually wearing burberry, gold chains and tracksuits/ or hoodie tops with jeans. And they tend to live in places like essex, daghnem & barking.

a gangsta is anyone, regardless of race that seen to be quite tough, has a lot of street cred and dresses like your average american rapper.
 
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Anyway, this topic isn't called 'England chavs', it's called 'England Muslims'! I know that this discussion is chavtastic, but can we please get back on topic.

After being too nervous to walk about in the streets in my Islamic cap (one of those round brimmless ones), I now understand the problems that new Muslimahs go through. One time when I was going to the Masjid in the car a bunch of people stared at me.
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Who were the people staring at you Fishman? If they were muslims, then they're stupid, if not well thats not suprising. The moment you look like the 'other', your bound to get stares, especially if you live in an area where it's not very racially and culturally mixed. You get used to it after a while though.

Anyways as for england and living in here as a muslim, its okay. To be honest i never personally had any problems here, not untill 9/11. After that, everything got a bit weird and suddenly people would act all funny around me and yea you get the odd verbal agro but despite that i still think england is proabably the best country for muslims compared to the rest of europe.

I've been to:

France
Germany
Sweden
Finland

and i've got close family and friends who are citizens of:

Holland
Switzerland
Denmark
Belgium

but are now living in england and trust me, england is heaven for muslims compared to these nations, including the ones i visited. Most of these countries are very xenophobic and racist (with the expection of sweden). Despite their claims of being very tolerant, in particlar Holland which has always claimed this lie (and this is long BEFORE the murder of theo van gogh and all that saga with ayan hersi ali), its almost impossiable for muslim and non white citzens in general, regardless of religion, to move up and progess in these socities. You can spend 20 years in their country, learn the language, go through in the education system (like my uncle), have your kids born and raised in the country and still find yourself living in the ghetto slums, in the poorest districts of the country. You cant get into top positions in jobs, if any decent jobs at all, because of the districts you live in your kids cant go to better schools (as in france) and as a muslim, expect yourself to find getting a job difficult especially if you wear hijab or have a long beard or have a muslim/african/arab/turkish name. And you can forget about even trying to get mosques open or islamic schools as regulation on muslims is tight. Although you do find masjids in them countries, you might only get a very small amount and planning regulations etc.. are made very difficult, especially since 9/11, war in afghanistan, iraq, madrid bombings, 7/7.

alhamdualiah the situitaion in england is a million times better, so i dont think us muslims over in the u.k should get worked up, because relaity is, our brothers and sisters in the rest of europe, who are more then us in number, are finding life much harder over there as muslims.
 
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Someone who wears a black hoodie and lots of gold jewlery, usually smoking on the street corner. They sometimes wear a cap under their hoodie.

Chavs are commonly refered to as 'gangstas'.
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lads + gyals + fags + drugs + corners + money + jewls = chavs :p
 
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Who were the people staring at you Fishman? If they were muslims, then they're stupid, if not well thats not suprising. The moment you look like the 'other', your bound to get stares, especially if you live in an area where it's not very racially and culturally mixed. You get used to it after a while though.
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No, they weren't Muslims, they were a bunch of people walking past the car as we came out of our driveway. The area that I live in has very few Muslims. The Masjid I go to is in Snienton which, whilst unfortunately being a drug and gangster city, has a relatively large amount of Muslims, to the extent that there are quite a few Islamic shops. I didn't get any stares around there.
Anyways, the Muslims who I know have never been racist or intollerant of me, despite the fact that I'm the only 'white' guy at the Masjid. I don't feel strange there, I feel like I've been completely accepted into the community. Alhamdulillah!
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Well no a chav imo is a young person who has not a lot to do besides hang around on street corners in tracksuits. I don’t think it has anything to do with how well educated one is or how there brought up, its just a new fashion faze kind of thing, every 5 years or so there’s a new one, hippies, mods, rockers, punks… etc
Chavs have existed since... the stone age!

Then they didn't have gold, but rare beetle necklaces.

Or something.

I also think it’s a bit unfair to say its white trash who are only chavs, many blacks and Asians dress and act exactly the same but for some reason there not labelled as chavs (so what are they called then:? ).
Minaz calls them 'Brownies' (i.e. Brown Townies). But yes, 'white trash' is an insult to white people - and it would be stupid to call all white people chavs. Chavs are just in a league of their own, ethnicity-transcending, scumminess.

But anyway, back to the topic at hand, chavs are the only people I've had trouble with.
 
Chavs have existed since... the stone age!

Then they didn't have gold, but rare beetle necklaces.

Or something.


Minaz calls them 'Brownies' (i.e. Brown Townies). But yes, 'white trash' is an insult to white people - and it would be stupid to call all white people chavs. Chavs are just in a league of their own, ethnicity-transcending, scumminess.

But anyway, back to the topic at hand, chavs are the only people I've had trouble with.
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Oh, Muezzin, you had to bring up the c-word again didn't ya! I tried to get chavs off the subject!
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No, they weren't Muslims, they were a bunch of people walking past the car as we came out of our driveway. The area that I live in has very few Muslims. The Masjid I go to is in Snienton which, whilst unfortunately being a drug and gangster city, has a relatively large amount of Muslims, to the extent that there are quite a few Islamic shops. I didn't get any stares around there.
Anyways, the Muslims who I know have never been racist or intollerant of me, despite the fact that I'm the only 'white' guy at the Masjid. I don't feel strange there, I feel like I've been completely accepted into the community. Alhamdulillah!
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I have no idea where Snienton is :?

Anyways alhmdualiah the muslims at the masjid you attend have been welcoming. Unfortanly not every brother or sister gets that type of reception from some of our muslim bretherns but thats another story of its own.
 
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I have no idea where Snienton is :?

Anyways alhmdualiah the muslims at the masjid you attend have been welcoming. Unfortanly not every brother or sister gets that type of reception from some of our muslim bretherns but thats another story of its own.
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Sorry, I spelt the name wrong, it should be Sneinton.
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salaam,

erm...some parts in britain are worse than others. for example brighton is full of lovely people mashAllah and you get a sense of security and understanding, however in parts like *cough isle of dogs cough* a lot of Islamophobic behaviour runs there!

i wouldnt mind moving to different places, however youre going to get this kind of thing in loads of places. and in Saudi Arabic, they wont let you live there due to the circumstances.

and on the subjects of chavs......i wonder why they have that walk where they look like theyre tripping!!!
Allahu Alam
wassalam :peace:
 

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