England Muslims

[Muezzin]

The worst I've been called is a Paki, and that was before 9/11. It's usually the chavs who act up, but I've always stayed away from them on general principle. I let such uneducated, semi-literate fools say what they like.

If normal people (i.e. not chavs) start saying something against Islam or Muslims, I try to first listen to what they have to say, and then try to politely set them straight.

I've not had much trouble personally though. Maybe it's because, according to two different sources, I 'look Hindu'. Hmm.

 

[Snowflake]

I was walking back from school with my son and my neighbours kids and a gora went past on his bike and shouted, "F'ing dirty pakis!" at the kids!!! And What kind of man picks on little kids.

Newayz, if anyone thinks we are accepted here without a grudge, go and live in white areas. I bet no one would even feel comfortable enough to try. Why? Cuz as much as we british asians like to think of Britain as our country, the majority of the British never will.

And I agree with brother Da'wud about not being able to help our muslims brothers and sisters in other countries without seeming disloyal to the country we live in. Any1 got the courage to go and raise money for Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon to name a few? No I thought not.

 

[Helena]

living in london..alhamdulilah its been great...getting the chance to pray in the local mosque,going to uni,going out wid mates, but in my own country wudve been a total diff story! we've got the chance to be here and the spread the word of islam thru dawah inshalah....

since9/11 and 7/7, well its been diff..a new phase, diff beginning....even thou moi walk alone to uni on da train..usually ppl stare, give moi odd looks....it dsnt really effect me at all, as i carry a islam in my heart and Allah(swt) is protecting us all inshalah....

even thou some stare..usually smile away.....as smile is charity in islam..

one event occured inside the station...police were searching for oysters or tickets, if it was fraud...who do they look at and stop ? guess? they look at me...wearing a hijaab and jilbab...me..why? well it dsnt bother moi at all..i have faith inshalah...

one thing in london...is..even thou we are muslims or one ummah....most asians, arabs have occupied certain area that they are well known for...bengalis live in towerhamlets(whitechaple), pakistanis live in walthamstow, indians live in green street and the arabs live regents park or edgware road...we have divded ourselves into diff areas...

even thou we live here..majority muslims, dnt understand the purpose of islam, and misuse it, following the path of wrongdoers, free mixing, involved in drugs, gangsters....astagfirulla..coming here have we lost ourselves? forgotten our religion?

 

[Muezzin]

I was walking back from school with my son and my neighbours kids and a gora went past on his bike and shouted, "F'ing dirty pakis!" at the kids!!! And What kind of man picks on little kids.

A nasty piece of work. Probably a chav. Ignore the creep and teach the children not to take such jibes to heart. Scum like that thrive on making children cry.

Newayz, if anyone thinks we are accepted here without a grudge, go and live in white areas. I bet no one would even feel comfortable enough to try. Why? Cuz as much as we british asians like to think of Britain as our country, the majority of the British never will.

I live in a predominantly white area. In fact, a predominantly white and Jewish area. No hostility, except from chavs, who do not live in this area as they are working class scum. I am not saying that all working class people are scum, I'm just saying chavs are working class, and they are scum.

The hell with people who can't accept me or us as Muslims. Alienation is so secondary school.

And I agree with brother Da'wud about not being able to help our muslims brothers and sisters in other countries without seeming disloyal to the country we live in. Any1 got the courage to go and raise money for Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon to name a few? No I thought not.

Why not? Are we not able to do this through numerous Muslim charities, helping victims of war etc?

 

[limitless]

I was walking back from school with my son and my neighbours kids and a gora went past on his bike and shouted, "F'ing dirty pakis!" at the kids!!! And What kind of man picks on little kids.

Newayz, if anyone thinks we are accepted here without a grudge, go and live in white areas. I bet no one would even feel comfortable enough to try. Why? Cuz as much as we british asians like to think of Britain as our country, the majority of the British never will.

And I agree with brother Da'wud about not being able to help our muslims brothers and sisters in other countries without seeming disloyal to the country we live in. Any1 got the courage to go and raise money for Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon to name a few? No I thought not.

I agree with you sister. But then why bother to live in a country where you have no dignity no respect from it's citizen? Why? Just to enjoy the technology, video game, air conditioning? The pounds? Muslims say we pray, Read Qu'ran and such, but they actually do muslim type of things? I think not. Muslims will never be highly respected by Christians, and Jews regardless of Country and it's citizen. You are not white not Christian or Jew, you have no right to be in such a position. That is what most of my muslim elder bros told me in my city.

Why do you people live, when you get treated like that?

 

[Muezzin]

I agree with you sister. But then why bother to live in a country where you have no dignity no respect from it's citizen? Why? Just to enjoy the technology, video game, air conditioning? The pounds? Muslims say we pray, Read Qu'ran and such, but they actually do muslim type of things? I think not.

That's not fair. How can you judge what sort of spiritual life a person leads based upon the country they live in? That logic would dictate, for example, that because Pakistan is technically an Islamic country, every single one of its citizens would be shining examples of what a Muslim should be. Of course this is not the case. Pakistan indeed contains good, practicing Muslims, as does the rest of the world. However, it also contains Muslims who have deviated very seriously from the correct path, as do other countries.

Why do you people live, when you get treated like that?

Not everyone is treated like that. If they are, it's up to them how they deal with it. I tend to ignore the skinheads and the scumbags, as I went to a secondary school full of 'em and so am desensitized.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

lol muezzin bro, who are chavs? you & chavs seem 2 hav a interesin history

personally i havent faced like in your face racism, i rememba when i woz a likkle baby people used 2 call me luigi bcos apparently i resembled him:rollseyes lol & my mateys sed dat was racist i dunno how though lol

but i hav experienced not so direct racism, but mashallah it werent serious lol, like i rememba in yr7 when some wite boys, were playin footy & i asked em "can i play" and they gav me dirty looks & sed "no d teams alredy hav been chosen& ders no space" but lik 5 mins lata wen a wite boy came dey let him play! so i thru my can @ the boy and busted his lip, and from that day, can drinks were banned in our skool lol,

also ive noticed SOME white OLD people r racist, but i dont blame em, cos back in der days there was only the jolly old english, then wen der old der streets r full of different coloured kids causin riots so its undastandable kind of, but i think white old people r the most racist bless der pensions

 

[Muezzin]

lol muezzin bro, who are chavs? you & chavs seem 2 hav a interesin history

You should really see the toilet that was my secondary school. Full of chavs, I tell thee.

Oh, and a chav is a nasty piece of human trash, otherwise known as 'scutters', 'scallies' or 'townies'. They wear enough gold to make an Oscar award look dull, and wear burbary as if it's the new black.

But anyway, some people get discriminated really badly, and I don't blame them for wanting to move. I'm fortunate, in that the only people who've been racist to me are also thickos who probably couldn't spell 'Paki' if it meant lifelong immunisation from STD's, which, being chavs, they are naturally more susceptible to.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

racism is just sad, judgin sum1 by d colour of der skin or wer der from is low, but d occasional joke is ok as long as ebery1 is larfin

are chavs latin peeps? they are nice you know, a bit like pakistani folk

 

[Muezzin]

Chavs are so not latinos. Latinos are cool and often funny. Chavs are just bloody annoying scum.

Witness the real threat to mankind

(CLICK LINK AT OWN RISK, PARENTS DON'T LET KIDS USE THE INTERNET UNATTENDED ANYWAY, DUH!)

 

[chacha_jalebi]

ohhhh lol, chavs = typical wite trash

yeh they r the most racist

 

[snakelegs]

The worst I've been called is a Paki, and that was before 9/11. It's usually the chavs who act up,

what's a chav?

I've not had much trouble personally though. Maybe it's because, according to two different sources, I 'look Hindu'. Hmm.

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are you sure they were brits and not americans?

 

[snakelegs]

Cuz as much as we british asians like to think of Britain as our country, the majority of the British never will.

so sad. then why do they complain that you are not integrating into british society? in this regard, i don't think the americans are as bad - most would accept you as an american (i would hope so, anyway).

 

[Fishman]

I also live in a white area, a place that is actually known for its roughness and as the only asian/muslim family in the area we did receive some racism (mostly childish things, like stones thrown on windows) for the first couple of weeks, which was all that we've experienced. 10 years we've been here now.

Of course, it helps that most of the neighbours are old fogies

I don't know any other Muslims in my area, except for possibly the people who work at CFS (Carlton Food Station). They do halal food there also.

 

[Snowflake]

=Muezzin;427444]A nasty piece of work. Probably a chav. Ignore the creep and teach the children not to take such jibes to heart. Scum like that thrive on making children cry.

And this was a gora who lives in a predominantly muslim area. So it goes to show that we have wolves living amonsgt us in sheeps clothing. We will never feel a 100% safe.

I live in a predominantly white area. In fact, a predominantly white and Jewish area. No hostility, except from chavs, who do not live in this area as they are working class scum. I am not saying that all working class people are scum, I'm just saying chavs are working class, and they are scum.

That just proves my point in that even where we assume there is tolerance, it will never be total. Then again there are those who may not show it as they know there's not much that can be done. I've seen the hatred Brits display towards muslims on msg boards. And I bet most of these would never show it on a muslims face. Still to believe that we are happily accepted is wishful thinking.

Why not? Are we not able to do this through numerous Muslim charities, helping victims of war etc?

You maybe right. But I havent seen any muslim charities actively involved in any sort of aid. Maybe that's just my ignorance. My point though was that we are unable to help as individuals. I once tried to raise money for Afghanistan and everyone I knew told me I was putting myself at risk of being accused to help the Taliban. And they were right. I could've been arrested and interrogated. We have to stop kidding ourselves that we can live freely as muslims in a non-muslim land.

I agree with you sister. But then why bother to live in a country where you have no dignity no respect from it's citizen? Why? Just to enjoy the technology, video game, air conditioning? The pounds? Muslims say we pray, Read Qu'ran and such, but they actually do muslim type of things? I think not. Muslims will never be highly respected by Christians, and Jews regardless of Country and it's citizen. You are not white not Christian or Jew, you have no right to be in such a position. That is what most of my muslim elder bros told me in my city.

Why do you people live, when you get treated like that?

Those things are available in muslim countries too. In fact if you want to live in luxury then a muslim country's the place to be. The working class can afford servants, cooks, chauffers, whereas here those are only the privileges of the rich and famous.

So no, I am not here for that reason. I was born and raised here. That's why I am here. Now I am independant I am amidst plans to move out as soon as possible. As you said, why live in a country where I get treated like that? I can assure you that I won't be for long inshaAllah.

 

[Fishman]

typical wite trash

Careful with using the term 'white trash'. Racist people use it as an excuse for what the do, saying: 'black/Asian/Muslim/immigrant people are allowed to be racist to us, and we can't be racist to them'.

Also, white people are just the same as any other race, and not any more 'trashier'. although some Europeans have been downright evil in the past, most of them have now grown out of racism, particularly the young people. Also, there are plenty of white Muslims on this board, myself included, who might take offense from that remark.

 

[Snowflake]

so sad. then why do they complain that you are not integrating into british society? in this regard, i don't think the americans are as bad - most would accept you as an american (i would hope so, anyway).

The definition of intergration varies from person to person, from race to race, from religion to religion. I could say that simply, living, working, paying my taxes and adhering to British Law is enough intergration for me.

But to some unless, I am out pubbing, clubbing, drinking, sleeping around wearing revealing clothing and being one of the crowd and not maintaining my identity as a muslim, I have far from intergrated into British culture.

It's interesting to think that Hindu's and Sikhs are more readily accepted by the British because they simply do as the Brits do.

So if Brits are complaining about muslims not intergrating into British society it is only because they want us to do it on their terms. Otherwise we're seen as outcasts.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah

Life in England….it used to be “safe”. However ever since September the 11th, things changed dramatically. Tension has stimulated and people are very hostile. Some Muslims have been physically abused and others verbally abused.

These are some of the comments shouted out on daily bases (personally to me)

"I say to Mr. Blair remove these Muslims from our country. Send them back to their lands!"

"These Muslims want to take over the world...have you not read what it says in the Qur'an."

"What do you think this country is Afghanistan...?”

It is not easy to go out wearing Niqaab, walking in the mist of the night (evening time) no longer. It is not easy to wear Hijab and feel comfortable in educational intuitions. Nor it is easy to find a job unless you compromise your religion.

Nevertheless, I see people entering into Islam in folds. Alhamulilaah (Praise be to Allah). People want to know what this terrorist, fundamentalist and fanatical religion is all about.
Many a time I have been approached by regular people asking me why i cover myself and why Islam…?


As for safety, it is reasonable to some extent but not as it use to be. You can feel something is different this time.

 

[gamsta3]

Definitely. Since July 7, things really have become bad. I have been verablly abused like never before since the beginning of this year. Something, that never happended to me before at all.
I dont think we should hate white people, because as soonn as you have been insulted by one, u will see another one walking down the corridor wearing that arab scarf thing. So dont forget a lot of people r sympathetic to our cause. I dont think however, that we will ever be accepted as part of britain, not sincirely anayway.

What is a chav?
What is a chav?

 

[Sweet_Boy]

well in my area in a town called oldham ( great manchester ) thier is many muslims ... but sometimes it upsets me cause many of them cause trouble , but other than that thier only little kids like my age 14 years and stuff

i would love to move to holland one day or even canada