when ppl follow culture and not islam but call that cultural practice islam its ok for us to have a laugh and giggle about.
also i think its important that we all inform eachother cultural stuff that we've seen and heard about so we can warn others and make sure we dnt do it out selves. cuz sometimes i see practicing ppl do stuff that is culture rather then islam because theyve never asked about thr history of that practice.
so lets all share these funny culturals things we used to do n believe in.
we were told to fold the corner of our musallahs so the shaitan cudnt pray on it. lol, where did that come from? i say let the shaitan pray, if he wants to repent let him repent, it always makes me laugh wen i go to some ones house n their musallahs are folded up in the corner.
ill try n think of some more n post em wen i remember inshallah but want to hear some of urs.
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
The bomoh (witchdoctor) are more into hardcore things like making people dead or pain... May Allah destroy them...
you mean like the mona ehem ehem...
actually i never meet a bomoh....i guess i'm that modern.. :rolleyes:
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
^^^anyway...the politicians and even the royal ppl use them extensively...
that's why the bomoh drives a mercedes....
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
some of the politicians work really hard for the ppl.... however there is only 1% of them
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
I concluded that I better follow the things whatever people here do, because no one can judge its just local culture or islamic one. And I realized by seeing other's thread that we have very similar cultural stuff in especially islamic countries such as covering head during uadu in bathroom, fold the coner of namaaz sheet, cover your mouth when yawning, evel eye, so on. Most of these stuff are to remove the influence of satan, and if there are so many cmmon things , we better believe there is something to be followed.
Only Allah knows.
Assalamu Aleykum,
Sister, I am sad to hear that, what if the people are doing stuff that is not Islamic? Surely 'someone' can judge, ask to see the proof for such acts, if someone tells you "fold the corner of namaaz sheet....." ask them, "Bro/Sis, since there is alot of superstition and stuff, can I ask you if you have any proof for that" It is upto the people to verify what they hear.
You are very lucky sister, to be able to come online and have people here, you can go read fatawa, you can search ahadeeth, you have been provided with instruments to see the Truth from Falsehood, if your not sure whether something is from Islam, ask the Bro/Sis here, search for it, and inshaAllah you will find out falsehood from Truth.
Your brother, Eesa.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Do they move around 4 times so to fill all four spaces? kay:
Some did ten.... like ... there are six chairs on the dining room... and they sat on each chairs.. then moved on to living room on various sofas ... then to the bedroom or outside while carrying the same plate ... here and there...
Ive asked a question regarding some of the things mentioned here to Islam Qa..as soon as they answer Inshallah, ill post it here.
Also, I recommend that everyone please read Kitab At Tawheed, it is only benefit for you Inshallah and it will clear up most if not all of your doubts about actions that are Shirk.
Do you agree that it is shirk and dangerous, or do you agree its worth a try?
Waram and my apology for being tardy in being back to answer,
I agree with the fact that it can manifest as shirk to imagine that any adherence to a specific behaviour alone is ever enough to protect yourself, without applying the mental practise of the correct Prayer that is normally the accompaniment of such customs. For example, I should expect that putting a sarong on in the shower is to no avail without a mental exertion of asking for Allah's protection from Shaytan.
That really is the key to all these customs isn't it. Today we might not recognise the customs as containing Prayer, but surely that to have become entrenched in culture the customs were originally placed into the collective subconsciousness through active acts including Prayer.
I do not agree that it is worth a "try"; but I am in favour of any person working to find out the origins of such behaviours, and when aware of the origin, (even if only from the local mythology, by understanding that a real event always instigates mythology), performing an experiment by enacting the custom in a number of different ways, and not enacting it where it is normally enacted, so as to find what difference it really makes. If that is "trying" well then it is worth a "try", but I will not like to use the word "try" in that context. I prefer to "experiment".
That is to say, that in modern conditions if we have become removed from the Ancient sources of culture, then we must experiment to prove to ourself what of the custom is compatible with Islam and what is not compatible with Islam. Where as those still in connection with the ancient traditions which caused specific customs of culture, were always able to more readily able to discern which specific customs are compatible with Islam.
I guess why some older Prayers are called culture and not religion is because they are manifested only in one region, or a non-Arabic language, or are only comprehensible to persons with certain racial features that evolved within specific cultural, geographical, and weather conditions.
Part of the work of Islam is ascertaining which of all such customs readily transmit from one language to another, and one set of biological features to another. Which are of Jannah, and which will have no further use after this world? Which are signs of reality? Those customs which are only symbolic of the world as it is now, will eventually all be gone.
But customs based in Prayer and which are correctly informed by signs of reality, even when they are of a culture which pre-dates Islam, is not to mean that they are not of Islam. Most of Qur'an is of events from before there were Muslims. Events described in Qur'an are those of the region in which Mohammed (Bless him) was Indigenous; yet obviously Qur'an tells the story true to every part of Earth also. Not every region has Elephants, or Ka'ba. But perhaps every locality in which there is a rock formation which has ever been similarly used as the true use of Ka'ba, has a story in which natural forces were proven to overcome the wants of men through the same story with different characters. Islam belongs to the whole of Humanity regardless of our culture of origin. The efficacy of Islam is through being able to adapt into other cultures, as the method of causing those cultures to adapt to the modern need of Muslim way in Religion. Every Religion which is true is essentially either Islam or in process of becoming Islam, the belief of Jannah.
waram
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
This list is hilarious. Perhaps they are all customary knowledge that is part of Malay heritage because of events in Malaysia which seem nonsensical outside of a Malaysian heredity. That would could make it shirk for anybody else to try to cause their own protection by such. But really this list is hilarious mainly because these beliefs are here totally removed from context.
About that one of eating a meal in one place then moving to another place to eat the same meal, well, that I could believe can be true: but only for males; and only in a place where there is very careful self denial of eating too much.
waram
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
This list is hilarious. Perhaps they are all customary knowledge that is part of Malay heritage because of events in Malaysia which seem nonsensical outside of a Malaysian heredity. That would could make it shirk for anybody else to try to cause their own protection by such. But really this list is hilarious mainly because these beliefs are here totally removed from context.
About that one of eating a meal in one place then moving to another place to eat the same meal, well, that I could believe can be true: but only for males; and only in a place where there is very careful self denial of eating too much.
waram
It just some thing 'old' practices. Currently it seems like NOBODY care about it...
I guess that the danger of any shirk in these old superstitiously believed in customs, is in finding out too many of such matters, and then becoming confused as to what to even try to adhere to. If we can't know how a custom began, that is, if we can not learn its story, then practising of can lead to imagining that we are not being tricked by black magic when we actually were. But where a shirk comes into the equation is when Shaytan are promoting these sorts of superstitions as necessary to believe in. Because Shaytan also try to prevent us learning why these superstitions came into culture.
When you learn any of these sort of customs then only adhere to if you can be given a reasonable answer to the question "why".
waram
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
subhanallah this stuff and the mirror stuff is clear cut shirk, believing some object or animal has power to affect you.
Abu Abdullah
Belief without evidence in any superstition is alike to shirk. But if you have scientific explaintion and experiential evidence about a matter like a black cat crossing your path, or a mirror breaking, then it is not shirk to believe.
The black cat thing might seem really dumb. But the point that I am trying to make is that I myself could never have believed in any negative consequence connected with a black cat crossing my path, had I not experienced a repeating incidence of such.
The key to manifesting actual belief rather than a false belief in black magic, is in knowing that the cat crossing the path IS NOT CAUSAL, but rather a secondary effect that is able to be objectively correlated to a knowable cause; which usually causes that a Shaytan steals luckiness thereafter. The Black Cat is by no means at fault in the matter, and in fact, the black cat is the positive attribute of the situation.
waram
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
What I don't get is how those folk who wear t-shirts with words on the shirt can get about with daft descriptions of being on their body!
Like how can that phenomenon possibly exist in their culture. They even got those really exaggerated shirts which say "suicidal tendencies" and "super mean b*t*h" and stuff like that.
Now, from my point of veiw, to wear a shirt like that is asking for trouble: but does that qualify the pointed statement that maybe it is well if a superstition developed about words on t-shirts, that you might become what is written on your clothing . . .
. . . (aren't there plenty of folk whom already believe in that: and why aren't we laughing at their superstitious cultural belief ? ? ?)
If you are yourself truly within the culture in which a custom manifests, you find that you just can not avoid believing in it. The black cat crossing my path thing, is something that I learned rather than grew up in the culture of.
But if I saw a person throwing a bannana peel into the aisle of a Church on another person's wedding day, why then I might have a series of very strange cultural associations form in my mind; and which would be humourous and non-sensical to a person who didn't have that specific playground chant in their memory. But what if the dude had just accidentally dropped a bannana peel and didn't know that a wedding party was due to arrive . . .
When a person believes through the vehicle of culture, rather than the vehicle of religion, the their belief is qualitatively different. Culture is defined by having been cause to become oblivious to any different postion. Religion is defined by having been caused to be able to acknowledge why.
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
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I concluded that I better follow the things whatever people here do, because no one can judge its just local culture or islamic one. And I realized by seeing other's thread that we have very similar cultural stuff in especially islamic countries such as covering head during uadu in bathroom, fold the coner of namaaz sheet, cover your mouth when yawning, evel eye, so on. Most of these stuff are to remove the influence of satan, and if there are so many cmmon things , we better believe there is something to be followed.
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