I stumbled across this site and it raised some questions for me. What does the quran say about homosexuals? How do you feel about those that claim to be both muslim and gay or lesbian?
Please visit the site and tell me what you think of this.
P.S. I am straight.
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Last edited by Ibn Abi Ahmed; 11-05-2006 at 10:37 PM.
Did you visit the site? It was non-offensive and they were only explaining their position. They have some interesting views that would provide interesting discussion.
If you search through the forums you will find that this is a subject that has been discussed many times. The Islamic beliefs are quite clear as to the posistion on this subject.
Yes and it was disgusting to say the least and was a twisted, deranged form of Islam. We cannot allow such links.
With due respect, but "disgusting"? Within 4 minutes of my posting the thread, you had already removed the link. Hardly enough time to find anything "disgusting". In fact, hardly enough time to find anything.
The site is just a collection of links to some biographys of a few individuals, and essays and articles explaining the positions of the site operators.
I find it difficult to find anything disgusting, merely discussion on their opinions, and their difficulty accepting themselves as muslim and gay. They do not linger extensively on the 'gay' topic, but merely discuss their struggle for self-acceptance and acceptance in the community.
Perhaps you could point out the disgusting links, I admit that I did not visit them all, and perhaps you found one that I did not visit.
Thanks.
I am not defending homosexuality as I also don't agree with it, I am just trying to get some idea of what some of you as muslims think. What do you think of the people that say they were always attracted to the same sex since a child?
I am not defending homosexuality as I also don't agree with it, I am just trying to get some idea of what some of you as muslims think. What do you think of the people that say they were always attracted to the same sex since a child?
Gary, I notice that your religion/way of life is 'undisclosed'. Which is fine. What though are your grounds for thinking that homosexuality is not something you agree with?
Gary, I notice that your religion/way of life is 'undisclosed'. Which is fine. What though are your grounds for thinking that homosexuality is not something you agree with?
I think perhaps the society I grew up in, until recently it has been frowned upon. I grew up in a time when "fags" should stay in the closet.
I could say that it just doesn't seem natural or moral, and that that is because it is not, and that this comes from God, and that is why it does not seem natural. But in my search for absolute truth about things, I must consider all possibilities.
Perhaps it only seems unnatural and immoral to me because that is what I was taught all my life.
I must accept also my own bias from my perspective as a straight male that is attracted only to beautiful women.
It is hard to say if you are not in that position (gay), I will never know, and am relieved to not have it as an issue. I am relieved that I like women.
I am not defending homosexuality as I also don't agree with it, I am just trying to get some idea of what some of you as muslims think. What do you think of the people that say they were always attracted to the same sex since a child?
Normally sexual atraction doesn't come untill puberty. Every boy that grew up to be a straight guy went trough this period where he thought girls were stupid. So I don't believe those that say they were born like that.
Normally sexual atraction doesn't come untill puberty. Every boy that grew up to be a straight guy went trough this period where he thought girls were stupid. So I don't believe those that say they were born like that.
Fair enough, but some have described the onset of puberty as the time that they discovered being 'gay'. I guess what I am getting at is that they 'seem' quite sincere when they state never having been attracted to the opposite sex, and that their first sexual attractions where towards the same sex. Do you think they are all lying? Is it in their heads? Are they being possessed by demons? Is it just a choice they made? Are they mentally sick? Can it be cured? Are there some that can't help it, it is just who they are? What about hermaphrodites?
Are some gay Muslims not your brothers or sisters?
format_quote Originally Posted by GARY
What do you think of the people that say they were always attracted to the same sex since a child?
I will say one thing, there are some people who always fantasised about killing, or raping, people that were always attracted to things as such, which some religions describe as Sin. You maybe thinking, well killing and homosexuality is different, but that is according to who? people, but rather according to G-d, in the Bible and Qu'ran homosexuality is still a sin, thus, whether it be a young teen fanatical about killing or a young teen fanatical about members of their on gender in a sexual way, they are both wrong. Why would people have such tendencies? Same as every other time why, who is the one who tries to keep the children of Adam away from the straight path? Satan, thus it is possible that it a wishper from satan, and whereas some people maybe say 'Authobillah' I see refuge in Allah, others may say, 'I'm gay omg and its genetical I cant do nothing about it'
format_quote Originally Posted by GARY
With due respect, but "disgusting"? Within 4 minutes of my posting the thread, you had already removed the link. Hardly enough time to find anything "disgusting". In fact, hardly enough time to find anything.
The site is just a collection of links to some biographys of a few individuals, and essays and articles explaining the positions of the site operators.
I find it difficult to find anything disgusting, merely discussion on their opinions, and their difficulty accepting themselves as muslim and gay. They do not linger extensively on the 'gay' topic, but merely discuss their struggle for self-acceptance and acceptance in the community.
Perhaps you could point out the disgusting links, I admit that I did not visit them all, and perhaps you found one that I did not visit.
Thanks.
I have not read the link, maybe what Brother Ahmed found was a distored meaning to some of the Islamic teachings, "was a twisted, deranged form of Islam."
Eesa
Last edited by Ibn Abi Ahmed; 11-06-2006 at 03:01 AM.
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After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Its true, people may get tendencies of feeling well "different." The best thing to do is not act upon and control ur nafs(one self). If one truly fears Allah(swt), they will try and not act on such a thing. Surely Allah knows your struggles and intention counts cuz ur doing it for His sake. But if u openly profess it and act on it, its not acceptable. Yet after that if u repent, Allah will accept u and forgive u. What if you repent and u had already professed it? Allah covers ur sin after u have repented. He is always willing to forgive. But in Islam, homosexuality is a grave sin.
Last edited by Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн; 11-06-2006 at 01:59 AM.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
well first off, this topic should NOT be taboo. there are millions, literally millions of gay muslims out there, and you should never forget that these peole are qu'ran followers.. it might not be word for word, but we all sin and make mistakes.
i happen to be a homosexual but i'm a christian. however, we don't deserve death for being gay. i promise you it is not a choice. but you can believe what you wish to, as long as it doesn't hurt me.
most muslims [including converts] are very anti gay. i've noticed this the hard way. it's very sad, but just as judaism reforemed, one day islam will too.
Islam does not need reform, that only means there will be changes.
format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
there are millions, literally millions of gay muslims out there, and you should never forget that these peole are qu'ran followers.. it might not be word for word, but we all sin and make mistakes.
Of course we make mistakes and God(swt) knows that. Thats why He is always willing to forgive someone when they seek forgiveness. As for those who follow Islam and are gay, well thats just between them and Allah(swt).
Last edited by Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн; 11-06-2006 at 02:04 AM.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
well first off, this topic should NOT be taboo. there are millions, literally millions of gay muslims out there,
Just wondering, which source states that it's millions?
format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
and you should never forget that these peole are qu'ran followers.. it might not be word for word, but we all sin and make mistakes.
I think, alot of people don't have a big issues with the ones that follow the Qu'ran as such, but rather its the ones who, twist the Qu'ran and Sunnah to allow homosexuality, and say Islam totally allows it.
format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
i happen to be a homosexual but i'm a christian. however, we don't deserve death for being gay. i promise you it is not a choice. but you can believe what you wish to, as long as it doesn't hurt me.
If you lived at the time of Moses, you would have deserved death? I don't get how one can say its not a choice yet G-d used to punish people for it, it's like saying G-d punishes brown people for being brown, it would be unfair, it would totally be unfair for G-d to put a punishment for something that you don't have a choice in.
format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
most muslims [including converts] are very anti gay. i've noticed this the hard way. it's very sad, but just as judaism reforemed, one day islam will too.
I think you'lll find most muslims, trying to be anti-sin, and homosexuality is a sin that is highly disliked, just as murder, or rape are. Of course a muslim wont have the same reaction to someone commiting a gay act in a mosque to someone wearing clothes a little to tight. Because they are seen to be a different level of sin.
Eesa.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
It was non-offensive and they were only explaining their position.
yeah...some of them said it comes in genetics...
well in islam...whatever reasons they give are not accepted ...they have to be strong...and they should try their best to strengthen their imaan...
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
i believe that the god muslims worship, or christians and jews for that matter does not like gay sex.. why? because he made us to create. HOWEVER, i do think he made people gay. why? who knows.
and Gary asked a great question.. what if your brother or sister, or mother or father told you that they were gay? would you kill them for being gay? what would you do?
notice that when the qu'ran talks about homosexuality, he talks about the lust, and not about two consenting males or femals loving each other.
if islam is a truly tolerant and loving religion, why kill gays? why??
leave it up to God to decide on the day of judgment.. but please don't try and promote killing gays.
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