About the sun rising from the west...

Ahmed is that you?

Btw, it's just an opinion since so many scholars have conjectured in the issue. I do not deny the hadiths.

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Ahmed is that you?

Btw, it's just an opinion since so many scholars have conjectured in the issue. I do not deny the hadiths.

Yeah.

I didnt mean that you were denying it. But its a general reminder against reinterpretation.

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Dr. Daniel Hakim writes in his book, "The Muslim Mind Empire" that some hukama say the sun rising from the west means bright victory of Islam might appear in Western countries. If this is so then we can expect the next Muslim resurgence will happen in the West.

I have read in newspapers and magazines saying there are more Europeans, Americans and Latinos embracing Islam every year. We all have heard how Islam is the fastest growing religion in America.

Could it be that the hadith isn't meant to be taken literally? If Islam does not grow strong in the East it will do so in the West? That we may finally learn the lesson that Allah will give guidance to whomever He pleases?

If we mean to take that hadith literally then, we have to consider a worldwide catastrophe, like a comet impact that would alter the direction of Earth's rotation. By then, maybe no one's repentance would be accepted, since everybody would have been dead.

hey bro but then wat would u make of wat i said?

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then how do you explain the hadiths which say that tawbah stops at that point, and the other hadith about the sun asking Allah for permission...

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We should not re-interpret what the Messenger has told us. We believe in everything that he has brought and we believe that it is indeed the Truth in which there is no doubt.
The only these ahadith will make sense is the literal rising of the sun from the West.

jazaks.. btw das interseting about tsunamis n stuff... i wonder if there where.. too bad (or perhaps not too bad) makkah is too far from ocean to witness tht stuff.. n the nature of arabia's terrain..

no the proof is too clear, if we look at the hadith carefully its very clear that the sun will literally rise from the west bi-idhnillaah

^^i agree!

I was listening in a lecture by Yahya Ibrahim [his lecture the tafsir of surah luqman] and he explained that all it takes for the earth to spin the other way is for the wind to be blown continously in the opposite direction.

He said that if the wind keeps blowing to the opposite direction [which may take about a year] to the direction its blowing today , the earth will start spinning the other way after about a year, month, week and some days.


And then we know that theres a hadith that when al-dajjaal [the antichrist] comes; the first day he comes on earth will last for a whole year, then the next day equivalent to a month, then a week, then the remainder of the days.

Saheeh Muslim #7015

We said: Allah's Apostle (sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam), how long will he stay on Earth?

He said:For forty days, one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days will be like your days.

We said: Allah's Apostle will one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of the day equal to one year?

Thereupon he said: No, but you must make an estimate of the time (and then observe prayer).



http://muttaqun.com/dajjal.html

That theory matches it perfectly masha'Allaah.

This is what the brother said in the lecture [Yahya Ibrahim - tafsir surah Luqman] - please read:



In studying geology and geo-chemistry, in 2nd year the professor began to discuss that the earth revolved in the opposite direction in atleast 3 occasions.


What does that tell me? Instead of the sun rising from the east it rises from the west. How simple is it for the earth to change direction? One thing has to change - the calculation is that its only 0.3 that changes. Its that the wind blows from the opposite directions. The winds that are at a stratespherical level move the opposite way. No scientist can tell you where wind started, but they know that 3x in history of the earth where the wind moved in the opposite direction, and the earth therefore moved in the opposite direction.


I tell you by Allah, when you look at the calculation - the earth takes a full year to slow down.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said that when Al-Dajjaal is on the earth, the first day he is on the earth it is like the time of one year, then the earth starts to speed up spin in the opposite direction. The total span of time comes to the exact amount of days mentioned by the Prophet; One year, one month [infact not 30 days but 29days] plus one week plus one days time.


You can calculate it to the fraction of 0.3.



The Messenger of Allaah said:(Dajjaal will stay) For forty days, one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days will be like your days.

Saheeh Muslim #7015

To Allah belong all things in heaven and earth: verily Allah is He (that is) free of all wants, worthy of all praise.

[Qur'an Surah Luqman 31:26]

Subhan Allaah what a miracle!

JAZAKALLAH KHAIR FI-sAB

Brother Fi Sabillah I do not know about this calculation to be genuine, neither do I think we should use such theorising to explain.
(I will check but I still hold what I said)

Rather we should just be content that it will happen someday and leave it at that.

Do we realy have any legitimate need to go beyond what Brother Skillganon said:

Rather we should just be content that it will happen someday and leave it at that.

^ Good point.