Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum

[Showkat]

Salaams All

Notice how the truth triumphs over falsehood and lies, follow the discussion taking place and how the Sikhs make accusations and then back off when they are asked to think and provide evidences. And near the end one Sikh agrees with certain rational and historical points.

http://forums.waheguroo.com/When-Why-How-t18824.html


The discussion with the Sikhs shows a few things.

1. How its possible for us to discuss Islam with non-Muslims in an intellectual manner

2. The weakness and fallacy of their arguments

3. How when the truth is presented they either quote lies or go silent.

[Islamic_warrior]

Put a Sikh and a Muslim side by side I cannot tell a difference. Muslims wear turban and have a beard so do Sikhs. Most of the Sikhs I have met have believes similar to a sect in islam called sufism.
Whats the point of this debate agian? How long people should keep their hair? :S Is that even something to debate on. There are much bigger issues then hair like oneness of Allah S.W.T the last prophet.

[iqbal_soofi]

So what are you saying, prophets (Jesus Christ or Mohammad) didn't have beard or long head hair?

So what's purpose, for Muslim, to keep hair at all?

Ok, hair is one issue which many of us on this forum came to know why Sikhs don't trim. You (Sikhs) believe that it's not unhygienic to keep long hair untrimmed whereas everyone else All others (including Muslims) believe it otherwise.

Now lets go to the next item.

2. Why do Sikhs have to wear so thick turbans even in this modern age?

[Islamic_warrior]

Why do Sikhs wear so thick turbans?

lol Is that a joke?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

The turban is no issue brother Iqbal.

[iqbal_soofi]

Put a Sikh and a Muslim side by side I cannot tell a difference. Muslims wear turban and have a beard so do Sikhs. Most of the Sikhs I have met have believes similar to a sect in islam called sufism.
Whats the point of this debate agian? How long people should keep their hair? :S Is that even something to debate on. There are much bigger issues then hair like oneness of Allah S.W.T the last prophet.

Sufism in different parts of the Muslim world is different. Sufis blended Islam with the local philosophies when they spread Islam. Before the arrival of Sufis, the majority of people in Punjab didn't believe much in spiritualism. They were practical and hard working people, therefore, they were not impressed in any invisible spiritual powers with which Hindus wanted to influence them or scare them to make their rule easy. They believed only in things which could be verified with the five senses. They regarded their five senses as their five leaders (Punj Peer). Sikhs and Muslims of Punjab who still know about the old culture of Punjab know about the Punj Peer. It's this philosophy which the Sufis blended with Islam and made a lot of followers. The Sikh Gurus also blended this philosophy with a little bit of Islam and a little bit of Hindu relgion to construct their new religion. The spiritual leader of Sikhs Baba Guru Nanak had visited Mecca and performed Haj also. This is how spiritualism was able to make its way into the land of the wise people. Before Sufis and Gurus it was not easy to beat the common sense of Punjabis with spiritual stories.

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Sufi, Shia's, Sunnis.....

We're Muslims! Please keep it at that, Inshaa Allaah

[Ghira]

I think we should talk about belief not what people wear. Cali sikh you believe you are following God's command by growing long hair and never trimming/cutting it. That is a sign of piety and submission to God?? Then in that case don't take a shower or bath because you are sheding 'dead' skin, skin that had cells that were alive. I see then you put a extreme version of 'changing the creation of God.' Does that mean that you cannot have organ transplants??

[iqbal_soofi]

Sufi, Shia's, Sunnis.....

We're Muslims! Please keep it at that, Inshaa Allaah

You missed 'Sikh' in that line.
Sufis had many Sikh followers too. They respect and believe in some Sufis as much as they respect or believe in their Gurus.
Baba Guru Nanak had many Muslims and Hindus as his believers. The Sikh religion was constructed by other Gurus (Guru Gobind and others) later on the teachings of Baba Guru Nanak. People from one of the biggest Punjabi communities (Jatt) adopted the Sikh religion. However, almost an equal number of the members of this community (Jatt) had already adopted Islam after Sufis. The way of thinking and cultural behavior of Jatts in both religions is still has common qualities. That's why they look alike.

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I meant lets not bring in sectarian stuff, we're Muslims, and lets keep it at that title Inshaa Allaah

[Muezzin]

Firstly, this kind of thing really belongs in Comparative Religion.

Secondly, this particular thread does not seem to have proved particularly constructive, and has instead just caused arguments. It also seems to have gone as far as it can go.

Therefore, I'm closing this thread.