Mars starts using animal products

format_quote Originally Posted by Musaafir

Or employ them to make chocolate..

ok now your just thinking disney


but i guess its halal to kill wild animals anyway.

format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

ok now your just thinking disney


but i guess its halal to kill wild animals anyway.

from chocolate, to disney, from islands to wild animals.....yeh YOU'RE IN FOR IT TOO! lol

LOL..I'm sorry, but that was the title given to it by the BBC..
But I guess you know what the thread is about now right?
Well, you know coz it says anything that expires before October is edible right? I already bought packets of Mars and Maltesers before I knew of this and unfortunately they expire in december..
The new ingredient that's being added is whey powder and I went on GMWA foodguide and this was the answer to my search:
Question
Date: 31/08/2003

Could you please tell me if Whey is derived from animal? Is is Haram? I have noticed that any products with Whey does not say "suitable for Vegetarians". What about cheeses? I have heard that most cheeses are from Rennet. Could you please explain what that is and tell me which cheeses I should avoid? Especially French cheeses like camembert, goat cheese...


Answer

Answered: 31/08/2003
Last Updated: 31/08/2003

A.
Checked and authorised as correct by Hadhrat Maulana Mufti Abdullah Sahib on:16 June 2003

Assalamooalaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
Respected SisterBrother

We would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us all to serve His cause and render our work for His Sake. Hereunder is the response to your query subject to disclaimer:

Read the following article carefully taken from the Muslim Food Guide by Mufti Yusuf Sacha and Please be advised that this is the view according to the Hanaafi Madh-hab:

Rennet is an enzyme used in the food industry for the preparation of cheese by curdling milk. Rennet extracted from the stomach of a calf or animal whose meat is Halaal (lawful) after slaughtering in accordance with Islamic Thabh is unanimously Halaal (permissible) for consumption. If the above mentioned animals were not slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law then the Honourable Saahibayn of the Hanafi Legal School, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad, hold the view that the rennet itself is Halaal but its consumption would be Haraam (unlawful) because of its contamination with impure moisture etc. found in the stomach of the animal. According to them, rennet is fluid or viscous [running] and because of the penetration and saturation of impure moisture it would be impossible to purify it, therefore such rennet would remain Haraam.

However, Imaam Abu Hanifah does not regard the moisture found in the stomach of the above mentioned animals to be impure. Therefore the rennet obtained from them is Halaal, according to him.

The permissibility of rennet, therefore, is not really dependent on the slaughterer being Muslim or non-Muslim but upon whether there is life in rennet or not, and whether it absorbs the impurities found in the stomach of a newly born slaughtered calf. This is the outcome of the difference between Imaam Abu Hanifah and his two students, the Saahibayn,

Because of this difference in the opinion of the school, the Fatwa (legal opinion) allows a person to consume rennet (in the form of cheese etc.). Whilst Taqwa (piety) desires abstinence.

Allah Knows Best.

Further clarification and authentification.

1) In a commentary of the hadith text, Mishqatul Masaabeeh, by the famous Hanafi, scholar, Ali Qaari, Mirqaat, volume 8, page 193, is mentioned in the Kitaabul A’timah, Fasl Thaani.

Ibn Umar, radhiallahu anhu, narrates that our Rasul, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, was given a piece of Jubnah [Cheese] in Tabuk; he called for a knife, praying the tasmiyya he cut it [and ate it] narrated by Abu Dawud.

In the commentary, is mentioned; in this is proof of the purity of anfahah, because if it was impure then the cheese itself would be impure for it cannot be made without it [anfahah].

Again In this commentary in volume 2, page 79/80 is mentioned, in Bab Mash alal Khufayn, Fasl Awwal.

Tabraani narrates with a good sanad, although Ghareeb, that in one of the ghazawah, cheese was brought to Nabi sallallahu alayhi wasallam; He asked where it was made? Someone replied in Persia or in the lands of the Majus. Place the knife on it [cut it] and eat it. Someone said; O Rasulullah, we fear it may be carrion [Maitah]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Tirmidhi has mentioned a hadith wherein the Prophet was given a pair of leather socks and he wore them, without knowing whether they were pure or not. In the hadith of Salmaan, our Rasul was questioned regarding Jubn [cheese], Simn [clarifed butter] and Faraa’e [leather] together with the fact that it was taken from the lands of the Majus. It was mentioned to Umar regarding Jubn [cheese] and said to him that the rennet of dead animals are put in it [cheese]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Imam Ahmad mentions that this is the most sound hadith regarding cheese manufactured by Majus.

From the above commentaries it is evident that if rennet is derived from an animal that is permissible to eat, despite how it is slaughtered, it is Halaal to eat such cheese, despite the method used in the making of cheese.The rennet formed by the milk drunk by a newly born calf, which is then slaughtered and taken from its stomach is somewhat solid and has the effect of solidifying liquid milk and transforming it into cheese. Its permissibility though seemingly irrational because what is within the womb and stomach is under the law of impurity but the permissibility of cheese is established by Nass [Sharii proof] and agreed, therefore rennet is pure and permissible Fatwa Mazahir Ulum Volume 1 page 110.

2) Mufti Taqi’ Uthmaani, mentions that the ruling of Hadhraat Saahibayn is more cautious whilst that of Imaam Abu Hanifah is extensive or accommodating. If a pious person refrains it is better, whilst if a person is consuming cheese do not stop him. However, the rennet derived from the stomach of a pig is Haraam and Impure, provided its original property and chemical makeup does not undergo any drastic change.

Vegetarian or synthetic rennet, if nothing impure has been added to it will be Halaal. The cheese sold in supermarkets and shops, if it is vegetarian or derived from animals slaughtered Islamically is permissible to consume. On the other hand if it is pig rennet used in the cheese, without transformation then this is not permissible. Lastly, the rennet in cheese from animals other than pig is permissible, but abstention is desirable.

Bahr al-Raa’iq Volume 1 page 112/3

Register of the Fatawa Darul Ulum Karachi Number 175 23A Dated 11/3/ 1415

We quoted the actual Fatwa (legal verdict) regarding rennet used in cheese, by Mufti Nizamuddin Sahab in the MFG, and the following points from it are noteworthy.

3) 3.1) According to Imaam Abu Hanifah the rennet of Halaal (permissible) animals which have not been slaughtered according to Islamic law is Ja’iz (permissible for consumption). Thus the animal which has been slaughtered by a non-Muslim is also one which has not been slaughtered according to Islamic law and therefore the rennet extracted from such an animal is Ja’iz.

The reason being that the lawfulness of rennet does not depend upon the slaughterer being a Muslim or non-Muslim, in fact it depends upon whether there is life in it or not. If there is no life in rennet then death cannot occur because life and death are opposites. The circulation of blood in an organ is the cause of life. No blood flows through rennet therefore rennet is not a living organism. To consume and use rennet is permissible. The Honourable Saahibayn’s difference in opinion in this is connected to the fact that rennet is situated in close proximity to impure substances contained in the stomach of the animal irrespective of whether the rennet from the animal was extracted and slaughtered by a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

3.2) If it is known with certainty that rennet is obtained from liquid substance extracted from pigs then such rennet is absolutely Haraam.

3.3) The rennet obtained from an animal slaughtered by a non-Muslim or Muslim in accordance with Islamic law or contrary to it, is in all cases Ja’iz as long as the animal in question is not a pig. This is the opinion of Imaam Abu Hanifah. According to the Saahibayn it is Impure.

3.4) Rennet extracted from plants is Halaal.

What is Whey?

During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey. Whey will come under the same rule as rennet because it is a by-product which appears during the process of cheese making.

Hmm..

hey sis, whats that article trying to say? :eek: ?

However, Imaam Abu Hanifah does not regard the moisture found in the stomach of the above mentioned animals to be impure. Therefore the rennet obtained from them is Halaal, according to him.

i didnt read the whole article but is it halal?

Well, according to Imam Abu hanifah it is, regardless of origin..but according to other scholars it's only halaal according to the origin..and whether or not the animal was sacrificed according to the Shariah method..
As I follow the Hanafi Madhab I guess it's Halaal for me, but am not sure if this is the case of whether or not it's better to stay away from doubtful things?
Hope I haven't confused you..nah actually I've jus gone and confuzzled myself instead..

^ im going to avoid it

format_quote Originally Posted by seeker_of_ilm

When I found out about this, I went to the shop, and stocked up on a shedload of chocolates....dated before October. I'm now running a black market....

But seriously, its all the good chocolates going.

Tell me about it..Galaxy is made from calf rennet! :'( What am I to do?
Maybe I shoyld jus quite my degree and go into making chocolates..that are HALAAL!

There is plenty of room for genuine Halal businesses to start in the Western World. This is an area where Muslim entrepreneurs need to concentrate. There is plenty of Muslim investors, putting their money into high profit haraam products and ignoring that they can provide a needed service and make a fair halal profit.

We can not expect non-Muslim investors to take the initiative to gain on the Islamic Market, but it seems that our own Brothers and Sisters should see that it is time to put their money where their moth is and stop complaining about the haraam food in the West, when they do have the power to do something about it.

Bro, I'm no entrerprenaur, am merely a student, and addicted to chocolate..
what can I do about the matter? On some other websites, people are doing petitions for the banning of animal products in chocolate, but then the majority of them are students..what is it that we can do?
and sis^^ I've checked on foodguide.org.uk, it says that the chocs are halaal even though they contain calf rennet. But it says it's praiseworthy to keep away from them

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

There is plenty of room for genuine Halal businesses to start in the Western World. This is an area where Muslim entrepreneurs need to concentrate. There is plenty of Muslim investors, putting their money into high profit haraam products and ignoring that they can provide a needed service and make a fair halal profit..

hmm... halaal chocolate... theres 6 brothers in our family all intelligent earning well... hmm... al-rashid chocolate...