Mawla

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format_quote Originally Posted by Hamas

Assalmu Alaikum,

Just a small question to which i already know the answear to but i wanted to ask you guys to see wheather you agree with me or not.

What is the meaning of Mawla?

JazakAllah

It means lord, master, sovereign

Mawlānā is an Arabic word literally meaning "our lord" or "our master"

It is used as a title for "religious leaders" in the Indian subcontinent

Objection

In past, Salafi-influenced scholars have objected to the use of 'Maula' and hence 'Maulana' as a title referring to humans, believing that 'Maula' should exclusively be used to refer to God.

Response of "Shia" and "Sunni", as well as the "Ahl-e-Hadeeth" of India/Pakistan

They reject this objection on two grounds. First,they say Maula is not a name of God. Second, they cite a hadith "If I am the Maula then Ali is also the Maula". Prophet Muhammed said that after Ali returned from the mission of Ghadar Qum and complained some of the people under him did not obey his orders. "Shia" and "Sunni" interpret this differently but agree the title can be used to refer to humans.

I believe it is quoted out of context: So of whomsoever I am the maula (master/leader in that situation) this Ali is also his maula (master/leader in that situation).

for example when I was a gunner (equal to a private), I had to obey a lance bombardier as much as I would have had to, a Sergeant Major

so that's a hadith! i always thought it was a poem by khusrau. isn't it persian?

yes, but i was confused. you said that man kuntu maula was a hadith? is that a persian translation? :confused:

It is Arabic that may have been used in some Persian poem. anyway since my transliteration is diabolical, I haver removed it just leaving English translation

wa salam (and peace)

BTW I am confused now too so I'll have to speak to someone with knowledge before I make another post in this thread

There are many many different meanings to the word 'Mawla'(in Arabic). The different schools of thought differ upon the meaning.

Some of them are:
~Protector
~Friend
~Master
~Client
~Slave
~Authoritative figure

format_quote Originally Posted by F@tim@

There are many many different meanings to the word 'Mawla'(in Arabic). The different schools of thought differ upon the meaning.

Some of them are:
~Protector
~Friend
~Master
~Client
~Slave
~Authoritative figure

I disagree, If I may dare!

for starters:
Is "Master" not the exact opposite of "Slave"?

In Arabic one word can have absolutely loads of meanings.
Obviously they are both opposite to each other but can be used 4 both words in different contexts.

format_quote Originally Posted by F@tim@

In Arabic one word can have absolutely loads of meanings.
Obviously they are both opposite to each other but can be used 4 both words in different contexts.

I am laughing now, if I may be allowed.

in no language a word can mean the 2 opposites. when we say a word can mean many things, we mean synonyms

these are same

• car and automobile
• long time and extended time
• baby and infant
• student and pupil
• buy and purchase
• pretty and attractive
• sick and ill
• quickly and speedily
• on and upon

these are not same

• black and white
• master and slave
• high and low
• up and down

these are exact opposites

Yh well mashAllah you're very clever for knowing about all the languages.
All i did was google it.

format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

^ So, by that site you gave, kind sir, does it mean Mawla can actually mean slave and master...i.e, the sister was correct? :eek: :eek:How dare you.

yes, and it is spinning my head, and it gives license to people translate as they will



edit:
since I started to read Dr. Jamal Badawi, I have started to look closely at Bukhari -- God forbid -- I don't care much for some of it

Yeh, for some weird reason words in Arabic can have multiple meanings, some of which are totally the opposite of each other.

That is just weird.

hebrew does that too, tho right now i can't think of any examples.
so mawla is the same root as auliya apparently. i always thought it was persian!

I've read an article wrote by an anti-salafist. He said that the salafis opposed the term "Sayyidina" to be used on human beings.... is it true?