Western Women - Liberated, eh?

format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano

Dude, you make me laugh. You talk as if muslims are all virgins. I mean Muslim men. They rape as much as other men too, it's just, muslim countries don't like to reveil the stats as it is unislamic.
Please read this, if you don't mind.

Rofl, don't link to me that extremist crap. Numerous other countries have surveyed and researched rape in Islamic countries. Why shouldn't they? There's so many people wanting to prove that Islam is so inclined to that rubbish. They can find out that over 60% of rape cases in the US aren't reported; surely they can find that out in other countries?

As for rape, and gang rape, that's a totally illegal and impermissible act in Islam. In fact, Islam sentences rapists to death.

Panther, research shows that one in every three women have been sexually assaulted; remember that over half aren't even represented in samples so perhaps they wouldn't tell you either

Also, Muslim women are allowed to work. It's just compulsory on a man to financially look after his wife, mother and sister. I guess they don't feel it's too bad of a deal and would rather stay home with their kids, rather than suffer the negative effects [see research] of sending them to creche's etc. The thing is, it's become too much; women are now EXPECTED to work. Men go out looking for working women, because they bring home the bacon and pay half the bills. It's no longer a choice; it is now a social obligation.

In fact, the original and singular Quranic scriptures were entrusted in the hands of a Woman. Imagine; the defining framework of Islam, entrusted to a Women for safekeeping.

Also, read the links I sent you about young girls/teens feeling pressured to conform to what they see as 'liberated/free women'. It's sad at best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hbot_5000

Me: Seriously do you like wearing these so called garments?
Her: If i was honest with you no.
Me: So why do you?
Her: Society tells me too (media etc) and its the only way to attract a man.
Me: aki no it isn't. Do you like men looking at you all the time?
Her: No
Me: How would you dress without societies pressure on you?
Her: Long clothing not revealing anything, tbh that's my true nature.
Me: But we live in a 'free' society that can do what you wants (within the bounds of the law), so why don't you?
Her: I can't. I will not be fashionable.

Your friend (assuming this story is correct) feels that the media is the state? I strongly recommend she gets a better outlook. I know no-one who does what some of the media asserts.

And for everyone throwing Rape statistics around. I believe approximately 60% of rapes are done by a relative with only approximately 10% from strangers.

format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau

And for everyone throwing Rape statistics around. I believe approximately 60% of rapes are done by a relative with only approximately 10% from strangers.

Exactly.

"Any time people see women in a horror film," he noted, "they say, 'Oh, these girls are just pieces of meat.' And, literally, in Hostel Part II, that's exactly what they are. They are the bait, they are the meat, they are the grist for the mill. So I thought it was actually a really smart poster ... and really, really disgusting! I love it."

What can you expect from a society that thrives on animalistic instincts only. Last month it was in the news that US is the most Promiscuous country in the world. When you are bombarded with pornographic commercials, movies, tv shows, billboards, peer talks, crude jokes, and active sexual activities as young as 10yrs; what can you expect from such a nation but to perverted sex obessed animals.

When these are the values given to a nation of people, it's no suprise there is a rape every 2 minutes and a murder every minute or so with college students and middle school students taking machine guns to take out their classmates. This is the great liberated nation of US. Land of pornography, murder and Promiscurity.

It obviously doesn't reflect it, but everything (including this) shapes it...

format_quote Originally Posted by Hbot 5000

I recommend you wake up and smell the coffee. You may know no-one (i doubt it assuming you're not lying) then perhaps you need to expand your sphere of influence and look to the wider population.

I'm sorry but your friend in your example seems really oblivious herself. She does things because the media that she reads recommends her to do? That is very weak.

You tell me to expand my sphere of influence and look to the wider population. How do you know I have not and you haven't? It is my humble opinion that many people on here would like to think that a fair chunk of women in the west feel compelled to do things in the name of fashion because it suits their position. Have you spoke to those who are not influenced by fashion and the media?

Skavau.

format_quote Originally Posted by Jazzy

^^What do u expect. Do you think people dont follow it? Why doesnt the media not show it in the first place. Chances are she isnt the only one. How about good commercialing for a change, maybe people will be keen on following something worthwhile rather than degrading.They did that with smoking in the past, did they not?

I'm not saying people don't follow it. It depresses me that many do allow their lives to be controlled by a fashion magazine like the Feminazi Cosmopolitan.

I know some women though who just read these fashion magazines but don't get controlled by it.

Edit: And yes, I agree with you on good commercialisation like smoking. But how do you mean specifically?

Well said, .:Umniyah:.
I'd say the thread stops there, really. XD
Muslims are not islam itself and westerners are not the west itself. In the end we're all the same.