Western Women - Liberated, eh?

I'm sorry but your friend in your example seems really oblivious herself. She does things because the media that she reads recommends her to do? That is very weak.

You tell me to expand my sphere of influence and look to the wider population. How do you know I have not and you haven't? It is my humble opinion that many people on here would like to think that a fair chunk of women in the west feel compelled to do things in the name of fashion because it suits their position. Have you spoke to those who are not influenced by fashion and the media?

Skavau.

Did you even read through this thread? In case you missed it, here you go:
http://beespree.com/story.php?title=Sexy_imagery_harms_young_girls-1


Anyway, this has been done to death. Peace out everyone!
 
Just deleted a bunch of stuff that doesn't pertain to the topic. Take whiny debates/lies about religions where they belong: the Comparative Religion section :p
 
I'm not saying people don't follow it. It depresses me that many do allow their lives to be controlled by a fashion magazine like the Feminazi Cosmopolitan.

I know some women though who just read these fashion magazines but don't get controlled by it.

Edit: And yes, I agree with you on good commercialisation like smoking. But how do you mean specifically?

When cigarettes were in an thing, when it was new, the media did their best to make it look like it was the best thing in the world. Tricked people into thinking it was cool and was not harmful to you. Now look at society falling apart cause of it and how its been taken one step further with drugs. You have more drug/alcohol businesses than ads and places to stop people from smoking. Took society a long time to realize this and still haven't gotten anywhere with the greatest effect.
 
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Movies like this are....well......gross, be it a woman or a man. Personally I don't watch stuff like this. It makes me sick and gives me nightmares. I like the quote from Rose McGowan in that link. Something about it being a how-to book for future killers. I think that the imaginations that come up with this stuff should be used for something constructive and not thinking up of new twisted ways to torture and kill people. It is just plain sick.

I disagree to be honest, since the argument that porno films or exploitation cinema or whatever inspires murders and things is firstly, a scapegoat, and secondly, falls at the hurdle which assumes that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction - and to be fair, people who are unable to do that are more than likely to be nutcases anyhow.

Let's see... Seong of Virginia Tech fame - he was a loner type, social misfit, didn't really fit in, not particularly capable of making his feelings known.

Kip Kinkel - Likewise, also a girl who he fancied had something to do with it, and his firearm obsession came from the fact that his parents were so authoritarian about having violent media in the house, it became to him le fruit défendu if you will.

Michael Ryan (the Hungerford mass murderer.) - See above, social misfit, emotional problems.

Ian Brady/Myra Hindley - Folie á deux which probably wouldn't have really set off had they not met each other. Still, he was arguably - and still is - a sick individual on his own merits.

Dylan Klebold/Eric Harris - Yes, they played violent video games and liked angry industrial music. But both of them were misfits and often blurred the line between fantasy and reality. Easy access to guns didn't really help either.

Now I'm not going to go into too much detail on this, for I'm certainly no social scientist.

Regarding scapegoatness, it's more politically convenient to blame death metal or violent video games or exploitation cinema for murder sprees and things than it is to bite the bullet and say, "Look here chaps. The guy was a mental. Isn't it clear from the circumstances? If he were well adjusted he would have been able to tell that the fiction presented on the film/game/song was, well, fiction, and that he would have known that emulating it is wrong." It also, let's be frank, sells more papers for the editor to blame such a thing, or to quote a "person of standing" (be it legal, political, scientific, religious, whatever) as claiming that.

I could hold forth for days solid on why the tabloid media is harmful, brain-melting drivel, but it'd be off topic. Needless to say, the above paragraph would figure in it.

Islamirama - Funny you should mention that, because although it's easy to scapegoat the instances of sexual assault and teen pregnancy in the US on porn and "indecency" in the media, but take Denmark. That's a country in which hardcore porn has been legal since the late 60s, which hosted the first cable porn channels, the first hardcore magazines, and suchlike, yet it's got some of the lowest rape and teen pregnancy rates in the world. Holland likewise. I know that correlation =/= causation, but doesn't that at least imply that they're just acknowledging and providing a legally regulated outlet for man's more animalistic instincts, rather than brushing it under the carpet or stigmatising it?
 
I disagree to be honest, since the argument that porno films or exploitation cinema or whatever inspires murders and things is firstly, a scapegoat, and secondly, falls at the hurdle which assumes that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction - and to be fair, people who are unable to do that are more than likely to be nutcases anyhow.


I am not saying that movies like this make normal people do evil things. It is the people that are already unstable that it effects. The movies then give them even more ideas on how to be twisted. Violent movies and video games are not the reason why children do horrible things. That falls on the parents. Yes, maybe that shoot 'em up video game made the kid want to shoot people. But it is the parents responsiblity to 1) not let them play those games in the first place and 2)teach them right from wrong and real from fiction.
 
I am not saying that movies like this make normal people do evil things. It is the people that are already unstable that it effects. The movies then give them even more ideas on how to be twisted. Violent movies and video games are not the reason why children do horrible things. That falls on the parents. Yes, maybe that shoot 'em up video game made the kid want to shoot people. But it is the parents responsiblity to 1) not let them play those games in the first place and 2)teach them right from wrong and real from fiction.

Exactly, but those people who are unstable enough to go and shoot up their school or town or whatever don't generally need a stimulus to do so. Michael Ryan, the Hungerford massacrist, didn't watch violent films and video games weren't really around then. As I said, though, it's more politically convenient for the media to pin the blame on a scapegoat and sells more papers if they do rather than claim that the person did it because he was a nutcase.

Would I let my children, if I had any, watch exploitation cinema? Probably not. Once they started going out on their own and things, though, and they were big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves and I was convinced of that, then it wouldn't bother me too much.
 

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