The cathedra in Cordoba is a sensitive issue especially for spanish catholics. Of course the bishops of Spain and Pope would do what they think is right in their opinion.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
That's an interesting point ...
Yes, I cannot imagine that Christian prayer (which equals shirk in Islamic view) would be permitted in any mosque ... although I would love to hear if I am mistaken.
Salam glo.The Pope prayed in the Sultan Ahmed Mosque in İstanbul at his last visit.
That's an interesting point ...
Yes, I cannot imagine that Christian prayer (which equals shirk in Islamic view) would be permitted in any mosque ... although I would love to hear if I am mistaken.
The Pope faces Mecca to pray alongside Turkey's Grand Mufti, Mustafa Cagrici, at the Blue Mosque. Prhotograph (Patrick Herzog/EPA/Pool)
Salam glo.The Pope prayed in the Sultan Ahmed Mosque in İstanbul at his last visit.
hola,
it was a moment of silent reflection... not a prayer. the Holy Father said so, Catholics would recognize this since he did not cross himself (which is what we do when we pray).
regarding the issue of hagia sofia... hagia sofia is not a Church, it is desconsecrated (no longer dedicated to God)... it is just a building, a very beautiful building, but no more sacred than a museum. it is not a Church or a Cathedral anymore... nor will it be until it is reconsecrated if that should ever happen.
the Cathedral of the Assumption of the Virgin is a Cathedral, not a mosque... it is sacrilege for non Catholics to have a permanent place of worship on consecrated space. it is not allowable to break religious law in order to appeal to secular standards like multiculturalism, nor would reciprocity (like allowing hagia sofia to be reconsecrated) make it allowable.
the Cathedral of the Assumption of the Virgin is a Cathedral, not a mosque... it is sacrilege for non Catholics to have a permanent place of worship on consecrated space. it is not allowable to break religious law in order to appeal to secular standards like multiculturalism, nor would reciprocity (like allowing hagia sofia to be reconsecrated) make it allowable.
So you mean to say that a Muslim can return a converted Church to Christianity, but a Christian can never return a converted Mosque to Islam, or even acknowledge the fact that Muslims built it by offering part of it as a Mosque? That isn't really very fair, is it?
So you mean to say that a Muslim can return a converted Church to Christianity, but a Christian can never return a converted Mosque to Islam, or even acknowledge the fact that Muslims built it by offering part of it as a Mosque?
hola
i could not imagine a circumstance in which muslims would willingly return a former Church building to the Church, in the event such a thing happened the building would need to be reconsecrated... that would make it a Church again, and that would allow worship, sacrements to be performed and services offered.
on the flip side, a Church building must be deconsecrated before it can be used for a non Catholic (called 'profane') purpose. after it is deconsecrated the fate of the Church building (no longer a Church) is up to the owner. so it is possible for a former Church building to become a mosque, ice cream store or apartment building. deconsecrated Churches cannot be used for Church services, worship, sacrements et cetera.
there is no circumstance in which a consecrated Church can be used for a non Catholic (profane) purpose. nor is there any circumstance in which sacrements could be offered in a deconsecrated space. because of this there is no circumstance in which you would see Mass offered alongside Salat prayers, in a designated sacred building, ever.
it may be possible to do what amounts to a 'trade' through the deconsecration of the Cathedral of the Assumption of the Virgin and the consecration of Hagia Sofia... but i could not imagine that any bishop would ever elect to do such a thing. it is certainly impossible to share a sacred space... even if by invitation of the muslims to share hagia sophia.
fairness, like 'multiculturalism' is a secular moral... we have Canon laws and morals which sometimes conflict with these secular beliefs. our beliefs against homosexuality are one example, this issue of 'sharing' a consecrated space is another issue.
in this instance i see it is the peculiar scenario of a muslim inviting us to share a cathedral against our religious laws... and unnecessarily opening up old wounds. i find that very inappropriate, they should not have made such a request.
Pope Benedict XVI said that he just turned his minds to meditation, not pray.
SO!!
I think brother Qatada post you a hadith did you read it?
Ibn Ishaq in his Sirah (biography of the Prophet) stated: 'When the delegation of Najrani Christians came to the Prophet at Madinah, they entered his mosque in the afternoon to meet him. It was their prayer time, so they began to perform their prayer in the mosque. Some Muslims were about to prevent them from doing so, but the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "Let them pray.", So they faced eastward and performed their prayer.'
If yes .. then I think you who don't accept to pray in a mosque not us who forbid you.
it was a moment of silent reflection... not a prayer. the Holy Father said so, Catholics would recognize this since he did not cross himself (which is what we do when we pray).
Oh Ok, I understand but then he fooled us LOL.The Mufti asked him to pray and we all thought that he prayed.
Oh Ok, I understand but then he fooled us LOL.The Mufti asked him to pray and we all thought that he prayed.
hola,
in Catholicism a prayer is formal, you begin by crossing yourself and saying 'in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit' and then you say the prayer and then you repeat crossing yourself and saying that part. like when the previous Holy Father kissed the quran as a sign of thanks for the gift, this has been misinterpreted to include religious significance that did not exist.
it should also be noted that it is okay for Catholics to say personal prayers anywhere... and it is allowable for non Catholics to say personal prayers in Churches. but those kinds of prayers are like what you call 'dua,' actual rites and services... like salat prayers and khutbahs and things of this nature, or to consider a Catholic Church something else are impermissable in the Church.
Why do you think he decided to meditate instead of praying, evethough he is allowed to do the latter in a mosque?
hola Whatsthepoint,
i do not know, only he can answer for the reasons he does things. i imagine that he did not find it an appropriate time, reason, place or occasion to pray. why he felt that way is not something i can answer... i probably would not have prayed, i would feel tremendously out of place praying in a mosque...
besides, there is much to meditate on, especially considering the purpose of his visit, meeting with the ecumenical patriarch... the Holy Father is the first Roman Catholic bishop to stand in hagia sophia since the cardinal left the excommunication for the patriarch 1000 years ago. that is a big deal...
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