Male circumcision in Islam

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As we all know, practically all muslim men are circumcised.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, " The fitrah consists of 5 things: clipping or shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking or shaving the hair under the armpits and trimming the moustache." (Reported in Bukhari & Muslim)

So circumcision in Islam is practiced for hygenic reasons and unlike jews muslims don't circumcise because of God's covenant with Abraham. So to become a muslim it is not required of a man to be circumcised...

I am a supporter of male circumcision because I think it is cleaner: it helps prevent STDs, infections, unwanted odors...etc.

Some argue that there is no proof that circumcision is more hygenic and that we should not mutilate the human body because that is the way God created men and why would there be a foreskin if it was not necessary?
They say that a man can simply wash and clean himself well and the presence of the foreskin would not be a problem.

What is your opinion on this subject?
 
My opinion is if its not needed to be a Muslim then I wish I hadn't gone through all that pain.

Allah created us a certain way so why change it?
 
Allah created us a certain way so why change it?
That is the way life is. You struggle to become better, so I don't understand why people want to take the easy road with religion. To keep healthy you have to maintain a certain lifestyle, which is difficult than unhealthy lifestyle. It is like investment and return.

All five things mentioned for fitrah, if you notice, are good for basic hygiene.
 
Some argue that there is no proof that circumcision is more hygenic and that we should not mutilate the human body because that is the way God created men and why would there be a foreskin if it was not necessary?

That is such an odd thing to say, considering it is God Himself who instructed that men be circumcised!
 
Sorry if I sound ignorant but is it mentioned clearly anywhere that we need to be circumcised?
 
That is such an odd thing to say, considering it is God Himself who instructed that men be circumcised!

I've heard this from a lot of people.
 
Some argue that there is no proof that circumcision is more hygenic and that we should not mutilate the human body because that is the way God created men and why would there be a foreskin if it was not necessary?
They say that a man can simply wash and clean himself well and the presence of the foreskin would not be a problem.

What is your opinion on this subject?
(1) Commandment doesn't need proof. Do you need any proof to pray?

(2) People try to justify with the knowledge they have but that is wrong approach. They can try to understand it more, and don't expect anything more than that. For example, in sub-sahara africa which is plagued by AIDs, muslims communities have been not affected by AIDs much, one factor behind that is considered circumcision. That is not full explanation behind the commandment, but it is not difficult to understand that it may have worldly benefits. It might be gift of God to the believers. But this should not be reason to follow the commandment.
 
Sorry if I sound ignorant but is it mentioned clearly anywhere that we need to be circumcised?

Genital cutting is not mentioned in the Glorious Qur'an.

The Qur'an reveals that nothing is left out of the Qur'an:

- 6:114 Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained ? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers.

The Qur'an says that creation is perfect and needs no alteration:

- 3:191 Our Lord, you have not created all this in vain! Glory to you! Protect us from the punishment of the fire.

- 15:28-29 Your Lord said to the angels, "I am creating a human being from aged mud, like the potter's clay. Once I perfect him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him."

- 32:7 He is the One who perfected everything He created, and started the creation of the human from clay.

- 82:7-8 The One who created you, designed you, and perfected you. In whatever design He chose, He constructed it.

- 95:4 We created man in the best design.

I say leave him perfect; leave him intact. He can decide at any age later whether to alter his own body.
 
Genital cutting is not mentioned in the Glorious Qur'an.

The Qur'an reveals that nothing is left out of the Qur'an:


I say leave him perfect; leave him intact. He can decide at any age later whether to alter his own body.

As muslims we follow the Quran and sunnah. Muhammed :arabic5: was the perfect example of how to follow the Quran.

Its best to get it down young, the older the harder.
Id say first couple of months get it over and done with.

And to the original question, my opinion is whether there are medical things proven or not doesnt concern me. The hadiths regarding it are sufficient for me and it wouldnt have been something recommended if there was no benifit in it.
 
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I believe it is a Sunnat-e-Ibrahimi

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Male circumcision is among the rites of Islaam and is part of the fitrah, or the innate disposition and natural character and instinct of the human creation, and is from the religion of Ibrahim (peace be upon him). Allaah has said (interpretation of the meaning): "Then we revealed to you (the command) to follow the pure and uncorrupted religion of Ibrahim."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

"The Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) was circumcisized when he was eighty years old." (Al-Bukhari, Vol 6/p. 388, Al-Salfiyya printing).

Male circumcision is obligatory for the Muslim male if he is able to do it. If, however, he is unable, whether due to fear of injury or if a respected and authoritative doctor has told him he will experience profuse bleeding which may make his life miserable, then the obligation for cirumcision is waived and he does not commit a sin by not having it done.

It is not permissible under any circumstance for the issue to become a hindrance for a person wanting to accept Islaam. The validity of one's acceptance of Islaam is not dependent on his performance of circumcision and it is valid for one to adopt Islaam even if he has not had himself circumcized

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/463/circumcision
 
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Excerpt from Islamqa.com

Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer: “Fitrah: the deen (way or religion) of Allaah.”...

This word (fitrah) was also mentioned in the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Five things are part of the fitrah: removing the pubic hair, circumcision, trimming the moustache, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the nails.” (Reported by al-jamaa’ah )

What is meant by these five things being part of the fitrah is that when they are done, this is in accordance with the natural pattern on which Allaah made mankind and urged them to follow, so that they will be better and more perfect… This is the ancient sunnah (way) which was followed by all the Prophets and which was enjoined by all the laws they brought. It is a natural and innate way. (Al-Shawkaani, Nayl al-Awtaar, Baab Sunan al-Fitrah).


Here are links to some more information about circumcision in Islam:
http://islamqa.com/en/search/circumcision/AllWords/t,q,a

In Summary:

Fitrah: The deen (way or religion) of Allah.
Circumcision is part of the fitrah, meaning the way Allah intended it to be.

Imagine if you 'left' your nails the way they were. How long would they grow? And how dirty they would get? And how much discomfort they would cause? But Allah intended us to strive for purity and adhere to Allah's prescribed way.

Hope that helped.
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It always confused me that seemingly God created us one way and then wants us to alter our bodies by cutting into them.

I suppose it is somekind of 'test' whether we are willing to follow his commands? But then again, circumcision is usually performed when one is still very young, meaning one can't consent to it. Abit weird 'test' that.

Oh well. I gotta say I'm surpised to hear that Muslims shave their pubic and armpit hair, didn't know that. Seeing how they love their facial hair, I just assumed that extended to other parts of the body as well!
 
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Excerpt from Islamqa.com

Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer: “Fitrah: the deen (way or religion) of Allaah.”...

This word (fitrah) was also mentioned in the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Five things are part of the fitrah: removing the pubic hair, circumcision, trimming the moustache, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the nails.” (Reported by al-jamaa’ah )

What is meant by these five things being part of the fitrah is that when they are done, this is in accordance with the natural pattern on which Allaah made mankind and urged them to follow, so that they will be better and more perfect… This is the ancient sunnah (way) which was followed by all the Prophets and which was enjoined by all the laws they brought. It is a natural and innate way. (Al-Shawkaani, Nayl al-Awtaar, Baab Sunan al-Fitrah).


Here are links to some more information about circumcision in Islam:
http://islamqa.com/en/search/circumcision/AllWords/t,q,a

In Summary:

Fitrah: The deen (way or religion) of Allah.
Circumcision is part of the fitrah, meaning the way Allah intended it to be.

Imagine if you 'left' your nails the way they were. How long would they grow? And how dirty they would get? And how much discomfort they would cause? But Allah intended us to strive for purity and adhere to Allah's prescribed way.
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Cutting your nails - the analogy is lost on me !!!
 
hygiene isn't an alteration of the body.. your natural state would be stinky, if you were left in your own sweat and refuse.. you came from the midst of amniotic fluid which is basically your own fetal urine that you were ingesting along with sloughed off skin that you were desquamating in utero , and that is fine, but say you'd aspirate on meconium the first mucoid feces also naturally produced by your body, you'd be in bad shape.. two pediatricians will be trying hard to insert a small suction tube to get it out of you...

as for the analogy of finger nails, I personally got it.. you wouldn't let them grow and grow untrimmed, yes that indeed would also be natural, but also disgusting .. circumcision is very useful is stopping things such as "Smegma" from accumulating under the glans and causing some serious problems as well as pathological Phimosis, uncircumcised infants suffer urinary tract infections of a ratio of 10~1. Yes, I am aware that UTI's happen in a small percentage to begin with, but, why take your chances?

Anyhow... yes I am still sick with the flu, so I don't want to protract this topic, actually with or without the flu, I wouldn't want to protract this topic. it is done when you are a few days of age, and you have no memory of it, and now they implement the usage of anesthetics so there is really nothing to complain about!

oh, and it is a religious obligation-- that is enough of a reason.. if your religion appeals to your reason!

cheers
 
It always confused me that seemingly God created us one way and then wants us to alter our bodies by cutting into them.

I suppose it is somekind of 'test' whether we are willing to follow his commands? But then again, circumcision is usually performed when one is still very young, meaning one can't consent to it. Abit weird 'test' that.

Oh well. I gotta say I'm surpised to hear that Muslims shave their pubic and armpit hair, didn't know that. Seeing how they love their facial hair, I just assumed that extended to other parts of the body as well!

Hey there,

When you are being circumcised you are not cutting into the body exactly, it is cutting around the foreskin to remove it. It is a surgical operation like a tonsil removal.

You are correct in the sense that it is a test for those who need to get it done at an older age or even for the parents who have to get it done for their children. The infants are spared from this test so if you ask them about it, they will say that they are happy and didn't have to deal with it.

Shaving pubic and armpit hair is very hygienic correct?

Take care!
 
As Salam Alaykum,

I found this page while doing a web search and decided to join the forum so that I could post here (in the future, I will also browse other topics and contribute as necessary, insha'Allah). This current subject is pertinent to me, as I am a convert to Islam - been Muslim for seven years - and intact (not circumcised), given my ethnic background. I realize this is a subject where many brothers and sisters have strong opinions, but I ask them to consider the following observations:

Muslims are agreed that all human beings were created upon the Fitra, or natural state of disposition. Islam has no concept of Original Sin or notion that human beings are born sinful or impure. Quite the opposite! Were we not created in the best design, according to Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) in the Qur'an (15:28-29, 32:7, 82:7-8, 95:4)? So let us examine the evidence about Fitra. I notice that the hadith which mentions circumcision as one of the acts of Fitra is oft-quoted. But what about those ahadith with different expressions?

“Five things are included in the fitra: trimming the moustache, cutting the nails, shaving the pubic hair, plucking the armpits, and using the siwak (arak stick for cleaning the teeth).” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Adab al-Mufrad)

"Ten are the acts according to Fitra: clipping moustache, letting the beard grow, using the tooth-stick, snuffing water in the nose, cutting the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the hair under the armpits, shaving the pubes and cleaning one's private parts with water." The narrator said: "I have forgotten the tenth, but it may have been rinsing the mouth." (Sahih Muslim, Book #2, Hadith #502. Also reported by Ahmad, al-Nasa'i, and at-Tirmidhi)

Notice that in these two versions, the latter of which describes ten acts of fitra rather than five, circumcision is not even mentioned. So why quote one to the exclusion of the others? Notice that the last two ahadith describe six characteristics not mentioned in the first hadith: Istinja', using the siwak, growing the beard, snuffing water up the nose, washing the finger joints, and rinsing the mouth. So I ask my brothers and sisters to look at the context.

The Rasulullah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) mentioned various things on different occasions, whenever it served a specific purpose. Circumcision was taken for granted because it was part of Arab culture. Look for example at the hadith where the envoys from Quraish are interrogated by the Byzantine emperor Heraclius, who is told that the Arabs circumcised like the Hebrews. It must be seen in this cultural light and not as an a priori extension into Islamic law, a matter which I shall discuss further insha'Allah.

Arguably, the most important of the above would be Istinja', which is necessary for the validity of Salat. In fact, Salat is invalid without the proper Istinja', at least according to my Maliki madhhab. There is a logical distinction that should be made between mean and end. Being intact, I can confirm that it is not hard at all to practice istinja': it only takes a matter of seconds, just like other body parts need to be washed. Therefore, using the "hygiene" argument to justify circumcision seems to be a weak excuse to project one's own cultural traditions onto the religion, attempting to make the Arab culture and Islam absolutely synonymous.

Wudhu is the act of purification for Salat, and is likewise wajib for the validity of Salat. In fact a strong opinion in my madhhab is that deliberately praying without wudhu is an act of kufr! So if we examine the above characteristics of Fitra, the Sunna mentions snuffing water in the nose, washing the finger joints, and rinsing the mouth. The end is purification, whether it is Wudhu or Istinja' or even the various acts of spiritual cleanliness (such as al-Arkan al-Khamsa, each of which likewise symbolizes an act of spiritual purification). What does it matter about the mean towards that end?

The alleged "scientific" or "health" benefits likewise should be avoided, as such theories are representative of our limitations as human beings; we are not perfect and infinite. Statistics can be used to justify either side of a given position and I have likewise seen convincing evidence used by the Intactivist movement in this regard. However, I would like to steer clear of such arguments of "health" since we are examining circumcision strictly from the religious perspective.

Given that this is my first post here, and that it is already quite lengthy, I would like to conclude with some quotes from some great Islamic scholars. No sane or intelligent Muslim would dispute the knowledge and piety of these great scholars. What is significant is that each of them explicitly ruled that circumcision was not Wajib or even an issue raised in da'wa, yet somehow some modern-day individuals pretend to know better than them. I do look forward to feedback on this issue, as it is my intention to open up free dialogue on the matter....

"That all peoples, white and black, Romans, Persians and Abbysinians accepted Islam in the time of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and none of them were investigated concerning circumcision." - Al-Hasan al-Basri

"It has been narrated from Al-Hasan that he allowed adult converts to Islam relaxation in getting themselves circumcised. He did not see any harm in their being uncircumcised. He did not see anything wrong with their being called as witnesses or their slaughtering animals or their going for Hajj or their offering prayers." (Imam Ibn Abd al-Barr, Al-Tamheed)

"If a male adult embraces Islam and feels apprehensive about circumcision, it is waived in his case, since ablution, ghusl or grand ablution, and other obligations are waived in his case if he feels any of these is hazardous. It makes then more sense for circumcision to be waived in such a case." (Imam Ibn Qudama, Al-Mughni)

After the conversion of many people stopped the revenues from Jizya, Jarrah the governor in Khurasan, advised that circumcision be adopted as the religious test for true acceptance of Islam. However, Khalifa Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz (rahimahullah) - whom scholars have regarded both as the fifth of the Khulafa ar-Rashidun and the Mujaddid of the first Hijri century - replied in a letter: "Allah sent Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to summon men [to Islam] and not to circumcise." (Ibn Jarir At-Tabari, Annales, vol. II, p. 1354)

Wa Alaykum as-Salam
 
circumcision is very useful is stopping things such as "Smegma" from accumulating under the glans and causing some serious problems as well as pathological Phimosis, uncircumcised infants suffer urinary tract infections of a ratio of 10~1. Yes, I am aware that UTI's happen in a small percentage to begin with, but, why take your chances?
It would be nice if you could comment on the OP's assertion that circumcision prevents STDs.
 
circumcision is very useful is stopping things such as "Smegma" from accumulating under the glans and causing some serious problems as well as pathological Phimosis, uncircumcised infants suffer urinary tract infections of a ratio of 10~1. Yes, I am aware that UTI's happen in a small percentage to begin with, but, why take your chances?

This "problem" is overstated and exaggerated. The problem is still rare and remedied by simple hygiene. Circumcision is no guarantee against it, as one study found they are actually just as likely to encounter it as intact men: the issue is not the foreskin or lack thereof, but rather simple hygiene. It is quite comparable to earwax, yet I don't hear people advocating cutting off ears to forestall the possibility of earwax! I mean this is ridiculous, as most cultures do not practice circumcision and they don't suffer from some epidemic of smegma.

As for the argument about pathological Phimosis, the simple remedy is not to retract the infant's foreskin but rather it will naturally retract in a short period of time. Infants require much care and this would extend to other aspects, as their bodies in general are still developing. One must treat them with the utmost of care. Let us look at Finland as an example:

"The Finnish National Board of Health provided national case records for the year 1970 for both phimosis and paraphimosis. A total of 409 cases was reported for males 15 years and older,which represents only 2/100ths of 1% (0.023%) of the total male population in that age group. This means that 99.97% did NOT develop a problem. Moreover, according to Finnish authorities, only a fraction of the reported cases required surgery - a number too small to reliably estimate" (Edward Wallerstein, Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy, p. 128).

As for UTIs, Australian and Israeli studies found that circumcision is no guarantee against them. Studies also found that for every circumcision that prevents it, there are 194 that do not so how is circumcision some magical guarantee against it? Likewise, it is more common in girls than boys but we don't see anyone suggesting FGM as a "remedy", so why the double standard? The only variable is not circumcision, but rather catheterisation - i.e., yet another problem that can be remedied by simple hygiene. UTIs are easily treated with antibiotics.

You concluded your post with an interesting statement: "If your religion appeals to your reason". Indeed, we are urged to use our logic and reason. Yet it is interesting you ask "why take your chances?" If we were to look at all possible illnesses that could occur, and alter the given body parts as a safeguard against their potentiality, then what body part would be left intact? I mean seriously, there are illnesses which affect all parts of the body and I don't see this same "logic" applied consistently.

I regret that in their insistence on looking at the means, or rather of accepting their own cultural status (which is fine) and projecting it as given from the religious standpoint (a notion I simply reject), some are neglecting the end which is to meet Islamic or basic human hygiene requirements. All intact men can affirm that there is no problem with simple cleaning. Why is there not some dreadful epidemic in most countries of the world if the lack of circumcision is somehow the cause of these medical problems? Certainly, then there are other factors to blame.
 
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