Ahh those wacky wacky Parthians eh? All smite this and chop off that.
indeed, except all the Iranians I have met like to chop off prostate and lung lobes using state of the art robotics!
Your idea of religion being either practicing or non-practicing bears no relation to any religion yet formed. It's an extreme veiw to beleive that no extreme veiws exist.
I told you, this doesn't exist in Christianity and you a former christian.
I think if you actually understood the laws, you wouldn't find any of them extreme. It is a matter of what you personally willing to accept, to which there is no compulsion!
Your fishing for my veiws on israel?
Not really no, in fact I was working on my other thread when my email box dinged-- but I have a feeling you'll share anywho..
I beleive that israel had less claim to the land than the followers of Wotan have to the Plain of York.(The Wotan devout held york in 600AD, 1400 years ago. Israel lost their state 2300 years ago)
A "message from God" dosnt entitle someone to real estate; be that real estate Palastine or Spain.
well, they are there for a reason.. I am just bewildered why they are not upholding their Yaweh imposed laws it while they await their biblical events to take place?
So with a nonsensical claim and on the back of a terror campaign the UN voted for its establishment. Pretty mad to do that really, but thats world democracy as best as it could be arranged. Now we have generations of jews living there, the early kibbutzes failed and the land which was intended as a homeland for the jewish people, not a State of Judism is a reality. Several wars against attackers from all surrounding nations hasnt changed this. You could almost say that "God was on their side". But that again would be a mistake.
I never claimed that God was on their side at all. If I am to search my own
scriptures chapter 17..
وَقَضَيْنَا إِلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ فِي الْكِتَابِ لَتُفْسِدُنَّ فِي الأَرْضِ مَرَّتَيْنِ وَلَتَعْلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيرًا {4}
[Pickthal 17:4] And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.
فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ أُولاهُمَا بَعَثْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ عِبَادًا لَّنَا أُوْلِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ فَجَاسُواْ خِلاَلَ الدِّيَارِ وَكَانَ وَعْدًا مَّفْعُولاً {5}
[Pickthal 17:5] So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.
ثُمَّرَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا {6}
[Pickthal 17:6] Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.
إِنْ أَحْسَنتُمْ أَحْسَنتُمْ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ وَإِنْ أَسَأْتُمْ فَلَهَا فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ الآخِرَةِ لِيَسُوؤُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَلِيَدْخُلُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّرُواْ مَا عَلَوْاْ تَتْبِيرًا {7}
[Pickthal 17:7] (Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.
and at the end of the chapter
وَقُلْنَا مِن بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُواْ الأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ الآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا {104}
[Pickthal 17:104] And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.
I promise you, the promise of the end.. ISN'T A GOOD THING FOR THEM.. so we this is all but by divine decree, not by British or Jewish decree.. and it doesn't really matter who sympathizes or who thinks they are victims or who thinks they are entitled!
I apologize for pckthal's poor translation but I am sure you can understand and apply some history to event happened and even happening and event yet to happen?
Would I rather Israel not exist? It would have been in the circumstances we have , preferable that it diddnt.
Whats more preferable now? That Israelis and Muslims sort their mutual stupidity over religion and race out and live like human beings so that the rest of the 6 billion people on the planet dont suffer from the actions of twenty million.
I like your rosy dreams.. but I am afraid not everyone is sporting rose tinted glasses.. so you can (and I say this with an open heart) just enjoy your life and leave the creation to the creator, he'll sort it out.. and I will take back to my other thread and try to finish it this time hopefully without distractions...
cheers
