Protest at woman leading prayers

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Isn't there great love for Muhammad's wife for the things she had done? (PBUTB)

Was she (PBUH) not some kind of scholar, or in a high status amongst the women of her time?

If so then why was she? Muhammad (PBUH) surely knew better, wasn't his words more than her's? (PBUH) Don't remember hearing anything about her (PBUH) standing behind him?

Are there not more male imam's that can replace another male imam if he becomes sick or unable to fulfil his duties? Yes of course! Same would apply to a menstruating female imam, surely she would not be the only female imam.

I mean no offence, and apologize for (going off a bit) in my first post. And sorry I do not remember her name off hand.

I'm by no means am an equalist, but do believe in fairness, men have there place and women also have there place, however when it comes to religion we all have a place and a duty.
I am getting rather frustrated with advocates of feminism so I'll try to counter them in my usual clumsy style by quoting from other Muslim sites (at least until Bros. Woodrow and abu Sayyad come on line and explain to these persons in proper English).

Question:
"Why do women have to pray behind men in Islam?"

Answer:
Because the Prophet, May Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him, said so.

further reading:

Woman Imam Leading Men and Women in Salat


Islam places no restrictions on women to teach, preach and guide both women and men.

“Men and women are supporters of each other. They command what is right and forbid what is wrong… (Al-Tawbah 9:71)

There are many women today who are fully qualified to be jurists (faqihah) and give religious opinions (fatawa). They do issue fatwa and teach Qur’an and Hadith in schools, colleges and universities all over the world.

Many Islamic organizations, Islamic centres and mosques in America also have very learned and knowledgeable sisters who participate in their Masajid’s boards and involve themselves in administration, teaching, preaching and counselling. Muslims should give them more opportunities, allow them and encourage them to become full partners in Islamic work.

Leading Salat, however, is restricted to male Imams only when the congregation consists of men and women both, whether the prayer is performed in the mosques or outside mosques, whether they are daily Salat or Friday and Eid Salat. Women are not allowed to lead such prayers.

This has also been the practice of Muslims all over the world since the time of the Prophet - peace be upon him. This Shar’i ruling is not because of any notion of spiritual deficiency among women. Men and women both are equal in the sight of Allah and both of them must be fully respected and honored. Women are allowed to lead the Salat when the congregation is all females. They are also allowed to lead the Salat in their homes among their family members, if they are more knowledgeable of the Qur’an and Islamic rules.

Recently some people have started a controversy about this matter of Shari’ah. Questions are being asked about the Islamic reasons why women are barred from leading the prayers of men and women both. In order to understand the rules and wisdom of Shari’ah in this matter, following points are in order:

There is a difference between Salat and Du’a in Islam. Salat is a fixed and formalized form of prayer. Its timings, positions, posture, style including the wording and recitations, are all fixed by the Prophet - peace be upon him. It is not permissible to introduce any new style or liturgy in Salat.

Du’a, however, is another form of Islamic prayer that is informal and there is no restriction as to who performs it and how and when it is performed. It can be performed in any language. It can be done individually or collectively. It can be led by males or females. In Salat we are supposed to follow the Sunnah. We cannot add or delete anything from the Salat if we want our Salat to be valid and acceptable to Allah.

About Du’a one can say that since we are not forbidden to do our Du’a in a particular manner we are allowed to do it the way we want it; but in Salat every thing is forbidden unless it is allowed. For example the Prophet -peace be upon him - did not say that Salat cannot be performed in English. He did not say that you cannot have Salat in congregation six times a day. Now based on this argument we cannot start having our Salat in English or six times every day.

In our Salat we stand very close to each other or as we say “shoulder to shoulder and ankle to ankle” almost touching each other. We stand in straight lines. We make ruku’ and sujud. We are supposed to pray with sincerity and devotion concentrating our heart and mind towards the prayer. For this reason the Prophet - peace be upon him - told us that men and women should have separate lines. The lines of men should be in the front area, then the lines of children and then women. The Imam should stand in front of the congregation and should make ruku’ and sajdah before the congregation and they should follow the Imam.

The ideal way in this structure of prayer service is to separate men from women and not allow a woman to be ahead of all men and bow and prostrate in front of them. Haya’ is a special character of Islam. It is emphasized that men and women both must observe Haya’ (modesty) always and especially in their places of worship. Prophet’s wife ‘Aishah and his Companion Ibn ‘Abbas are reported to have said that a woman leading other women in prayer should not stand in front of them like a male Imam, but in their midst.

Some people refer to the Hadith of Um Warqah who was allowed by the Prophet - peace be upon him - to lead the Salat. According to the Sunan of Abu Da’ud, the Hadith says: “Umm Waraqah wanted to accompany the Prophet - peace be upon him- to the battle of Badr, but the Prophet told her to stay in her home.” Further in this Hadith it is said that the Prophet - peace be upon him - used to visit her in her home. He appointed a person to give Adhan for her and he told her to lead the prayer for the people of her house (Ahl dariha). Abdur Rahman ibn Khallad (the reporter of this Hadith) said, “I saw her mu’adhin who was a very old man.” (Abu Da’ud 500). In another reports of this Hadith it is said that the Prophet told her to lead the prayers of the women of her house (nisa’ dariha). (Reported by Dar Qutni).

This Hadith does not give permission to women to lead the Salat of men in the Masjid, it is restricted to home and according to some version only for the women of the home. Most of the scholars of Hadith and Fiqh did not use this as a general permission of the Prophet for women to be Imams of the Masajid and lead men and women in prayers. If this would have been the general case then many other very able and qualified women in the time of the Prophet and after him would have been leading Salat in the Masajid.

We pray to Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala that we sincerely follow His Deen without any innovation or exaggeration. Ameen.


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Related: Can Women Lead People in Friday Prayer?

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i agree that women can lead for WOMEN ONLY prayers but for mix come off it guys its big time HARAM. Is she supposed to recite Quran in a high voice infront of all the men? lol
yes i believe in gender equality but not beyond islamic laws
And Allah (swt) knows best
 
Surely it states NOWHERE that a man can run naked but a woman has to cover from head to toe. They both must be modestly dressed.

Fascinating. Where have you seen Muslim men running around naked? I sure must have missed it!

Success of children in there adult lives is only due to the women, after all where are the men for the first part of there children's lives? Understandably they need to work to support the family and the women mostly stay home to guard and educate them, however a man's duties are less than what a woman's duties are. hmmm man = work (support) V woman = (wife, mother, guardian, educator, feeder, caretaker, nurse, listener) hmmm, you men are right about something there is no equality between men and women....WOMEN SIMPLY DO MORE

That is so unfair! You've totally ignored all the hard work men do! Who said men don't also have a duty to educate their children and look after them?

Let's not forget that men are also: husbands, fathers, guardians, educators, feeders (they might not always cook but at least they work hard for the money to buy the food with), listeners (who said men can't listen??), disipliner (my mum can't discipline us, sad but true), main source of income (typically - and this can be VERY stressful, imagine juggling two jobs or being fired and how ashamed they would be that they can't provide for their family, or being stuck in a job they hate to provide for their kids), gardener, handyman and so much more!!!

By the way, are you a Muslim?
 
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Well lets put it into perspective, usually the highest earning job is not necessarily the most work but the one with most responsibilities and the one with most stress
So I have to say men have the biggest responsiblility in the household so if anything goes wrong we just blame them LOL
Thats what mum does LOL
 
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even though it would not cause fitnah if men and women were in separate partitions, pray tell, who is gonna takeover every month during her monthly break (or there will be 2 lady imams who will have periods at different times)?

edit: this lady "imam" wants mixed jamaat so my original point is lost^^

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A person with more knowledge than the rest can lead prayer. There is no thing as having a fixed imam in islam. So the 'monthly' issue isn't a problem.
 
A person with more knowledge than the rest can lead prayer. There is no thing as having a fixed imam in islam. So the 'monthly' issue isn't a problem.
ah yes that was all me (made in haste due to the fact that Imam in our local Mosque is paid a weekly "wage" by us and if we changed to 2 lady imams (due to the fact that every person in our mosque is not an aalim we are a collection of half-educated and illiterate Pakistanis) we will end up needing to collect twice the amount we currently require.

What do you say to this >> http://www.islamicboard.com/1029122-post21.html
 
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Success of children in there adult lives is only due to the women, after all where are the men for the first part of there children's lives? Understandably they need to work to support the family and the women mostly stay home to guard and educate them, however a man's duties are less than what a woman's duties are. hmmm man = work (support) V woman = (wife, mother, guardian, educator, feeder, caretaker, nurse, listener) hmmm, you men are right about something there is no equality between men and women....WOMEN SIMPLY DO MORE

Sister i dont know but from your name i guess you are married because you are the mother of sara and by the style you write by its as if though you have had a bad relationship with your husband and from that 1 encounter you have deduced that men are losers...

....ok you are right we men are losers but you have to go a bit further because both us men and women are losers
arguing about petty things,sister i would suggest you to stop visiting feminists websites that get poor women all hyped up and worked up because its clouding your judgment and that clashes with the 'set' islamic rules
Us males have testosterone and for a woman to bend over and lead the prayer with a gentle voice i dont want that!!! i want to focus and keep humble..as a femi you are probably gonna say 'its not fair we should also have testosterone'

No hard feelings my sister,i respect you with all my heart because you are a mother
 
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Sister i dont know but from your name i guess you are married because you are the mother of sara and by the style you write by its as if though you have had a bad relationship with your husband and from that 1 encounter you have deduced that men are losers...

Sherlock Junior? :giggling:
 
So, it probably has authentic basis (in terms of beneficial) and we should not call it innovation in a haste.
If so, quote an authentic hadith to show that women leading men in congregational prayer is not a modern innovation, or bida.
 
Some people have crazy idea for gender equality, it is like saying guy should get pregnant for gender equality.


Yes. Just as it is totally impossible for a man to get pregnant, it is likewise laughably impossible for a woman to lead prayers. The very thought!

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Allah will always expose the plots of these evil people, they will never be successful in their plans of changing islam.
 
This thread is getting a bit too deep to continue without the input of a scholar.


It is far better we just look at this as some possible questions to refer to a scholar and not try to carry it on as our opinions over what is or is not bi'dah.

If you are a Muslim and do not know the answers ask a scholar or your Imam.

If you are not a Muslim, this thread has gone as far as us lay people can explain.

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