"Why I'm not a Muslim"

[SixTen]

You are not qualified to do your "own" thing, islamically, is why people are trying to help you. You can't make judgements on what the Qur'an or sunnah says, as a layman, and neither do I.

I just know, those guys on free-minds, are as layman as you or me - they are not scholars.

In the end, I don't know where you sourced that information about Abu Hanifa - but it seems to be from some shia site (they usually make many claims against him, even that other imaams such as Malik labelled him dajaal) - they seem purely fabricated or out of context accusations.

Just keep away from DIY scholarship, you just end up misguided - if everyone was like you - no 2 muslims would be the same, everyone would believe differently.

 

[Al-Zaara]

SixTen, I agree with you. My research on Qur'an alone has recently started as of the past few days. I'm doing my own research based on their statements.

Brothers, I don't wish to argue regarding this. I've come to a conclusion after many months of research. I consider the Qur'an as detailed and complete, which has absolutely forbidden any other hadeeth.

So what exactly were you reasearching months of times, which you stated earlier, if not the Qur'an?

 

[The Khan]

The noble Quran condemns following anyone blindly (2:170; 5:50,104; 10:78, 100; 17:36; 26:74; 31:21; 43:22,23).

Lol, I haven't come across any information on Abu Hanifa on any Shi'a site (aren't you being a Shiaphobe right now brother?), apart from one confirming popular Sunni belief that he was a student of Ja'far al-Sadiq. What I said is an undisputed source from Hanafis. It's on wikipedia, of course, first source I could find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafi#Some_distinctive_opinions_of_Abu_Hanifa_and_the_Hanafi_School

And that's good if everyone thinks differently. Allah (SWT) has commanded it. Allah (SWT) has given me a brain, and I shall use it.

@Al-Zaara: Both, the Qur'an and Hadith. My research is not complete. It's this free thinking belief which I've adopted recently and researching hadith rejection. I haven't completely rejected hadith yet, as I said, I'm reading a Shi'a hadith compilation right now. ^_^

Peace.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Shaykh Wiki! The all-knower of the Hanafi-fiqh. And that part, hasn't even sources! How reliable.

And that's good if everyone thinks differently. Allah (SWT) has commanded it. Allah (SWT) has given me a brain, and I shall use it.

Sects think differently. The Sunnis/Shias think differently. On some fiqh-points, madhabs think differently etc. There are many people who have thought differently and putten forth their thoughts, but you condemned it earlier here, saying it has caused division, bida etc. And now you consider it good?

 

[The Khan]

Don't misunderstand my point, I'm against causing sectarian differences. What differences every single being has in philosophy is between him and Allah (SWT). It's when they believe they are right over others which I hate, and which causes divisions and barriers. Religion is a private affair.

While I believe it's ok to discuss your differences, imposing your creed on others without promoting free thinking is entirely wrong (in my opinion).

 

[SixTen]

I wouldn't trust wikipedia, subsequent none of that was referenced properly... I am not a shiaphobe, but just go check answering-answer, on their book against the sunni's - you'll see what I am talking about.

Again brother, you are misquoting Quran verses (which is probably prohibited on this site). This is another problem with, the DIY style of learning - you learn it wrong.

None of those verses talk about, following a authoritative scholar to learn Islam (Which is actually not only advised, it is required, as DIY scholarship without qualification is haram).

I won't go through all the verses, (too time consuming), but lets take 2:170

And when it is said to them, the disbelievers, ‘Follow what God has revealed’, pertaining to affirmation of God’s Oneness and the good things that He has made lawful, they say, ‘No; but we follow what we found our fathers doing’, in the way of idol-worship, deeming unlawful the camel let loose, and [practising] the slitting of the camel’s ear (sc. bahīra). God says: What? (the hamza [of a-wa-law] is for repudiation), do they follow them, Even if their fathers do not understand anything, concerning religion, and they were not guided?, to the truth.

As you can see, it has nothing about following scholars.

I am not a scholar, but alhamdulillah I have learnt alot, but it was by means of scholars. May Allah guide you to the correct way.

(Those Quran-only muslims have an agenda I must say, that is, they are progressionists)

Also, it is DIY scholarship which causes secterianism - as everyone will have different opinions, if every layman was allowed to create a website to portray his/her belief - Islam would become 3984394 religions.

 

[The Khan]

Brother, I don't want to argue. I have my own views and you have yours. Lets keep it at that. I'm not imposing my belief on you. I have valid reasons for rejecting hadith, like I said earlier. "Mistranslation" is the most common excuse Christians have for defending their scriptures, and I see the same with Hadith supporters. Personally, I don't care how you follow Islam. I'm learning to follow what I find correct.

Peace.

 

[SixTen]

Brother, I don't want to argue. I have my own views and you have yours. Lets keep it at that. I'm not imposing my belief on you. I have valid reasons for rejecting hadith, like I said earlier. "Mistranslation" is the most common excuse Christians have for defending their scriptures, and I see the same with Hadith supporters. Personally, I don't care how you follow Islam. I'm learning to follow what I find correct.

Peace.

The problem is, you don't have valid reasons for rejecting hadiths (or, for your Qur'an verses, which are contradictive of authentic tafsirs). I will just leave you with a warning not to ever trust sites like free-minds, and hope Allah guides you away from the works of the shaytaan. Also, to label my refutations as mere "excuses" that can be compared to christians, is just appauling on your behalf.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

now now lets not argue, we all love each other dont we.... dont we .... yes

so so any discussions about inter religion, take it to the comparitive section

as most of the posts show, the book is full of lies, upon misquotes and further lies, so to summarise its total crap

:threadclo