US Attacks syria

[Keltoi]

The Iraqi government demands the US turn over all BlackWater soldiers accused of indiscriminate killing of Iraqi civilians. Rather than doing so the US continue to allow such soldiers to simply be fired and returned home. I response to this the Iraqi's sen an Iraqi army specail opps unit to infilitrate the US and capture the BlackWater soldiers. In the ensueing firefight 24 innocent US civilians are killed because they happen to live in the BW soldiers apartment building, 12 of which are children.

What would be the reaction of the US's civilian populace?

Because I'm willing to bet there would be hell to pay for this violate of our sovereignity and the deaths of our civilians.

Blackwater is a mercenary group hired out by companies to protect VIPs and convoys. They are not sanctioned by the U.S. military. There have already been indictments in the Blackwater convoy shooting case, and it looks like the case will go to a federal grand jury rather soon. As American citizens they will be tried under American statutes. People will be going to jail as a result.

 

[wth1257]

Blackwater is a mercenary group hired out by companies to protect VIPs and convoys.

I know what Blackwater is

They are not sanctioned by the U.S. military.

No, but they do work for the US government and have been given wide liberties and immunities while opperating in Iraq

There have already been indictments in the Blackwater convoy shooting case, and it looks like the case will go to a federal grand jury rather soon. As American citizens they will be tried under American statutes. People will be going to jail as a result.

Besides the fact that they ought to be tried in Iraq where they actually commited their crimes that one incident has absolutly nothing to do with my point.

I have asked you a hypothetical, how do you think the US populace would respond? Do you think they would say, "well sucks for those kids but the Bush Administration has to learn" or would there be widespread outrage?

 

[coddles76]

From what I understand the U.S. military followed some jihadist types across the Syrian border and assaulted them there. They have been crossing the border, doing whatever it is they do, and then retreating back into Syria. If Syria wants to shout about "serious aggression" they need to reign in those who take advantage of the border to inflict damage on the Iraqi people and Coalition forces.

LOL Thats the funniest response I've heard in centuries. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[coddles76]

Firstly, terrorists hide in civilian areas. That is part of their strategy.

lol Thanks for another laugh. I guess you have just added to the statistics of the majority who have no individual brains to think for themselves and fall to the prey of the propaganda and brainwashing steam train held by the one and ONLY terrorists which threaten our civilisation.

 

[Karl]

excellent verse, it perfectly describes the situation.

The USA was born from genocide of the Natives ...do you think these guys are going to stop...they have a plan to genocide and control all that is not in their image... that suits their way of life ...if Islam will not change it will be destroyed ...so False Muslims are being created in the West ...are put into powerful positions to usurp the real ones ...wake up people!! ...these guys are evil and they know it

 

[islamirama]

Syrian minister accuses U.S. of "terrorist aggression"



LONDON (Reuters) – Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem accused the United States on Monday of carrying out a "terrorist aggression" on Syria after a deadly raid which Damascus said killed eight civilians.


"The Americans do it in the daylight, this means it is not a mistake, its by blunt determination. For that we consider this criminal and terrorist aggression," Moualem told a news conference in London.


He said Syria will ask the United States and Iraq for an investigation into the attack, which took place in the Albou Kamal area in eastern Syria on Sunday. Baghdad has said the strike targeted insurgents who attack Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081027/ts_nm/us_iraq_syria_moualem_1​

 

[nocturnal]

The Iraqis themselves are insisting on prosecuting crimes committed by mercenary groups like Blackwater inside Iraq where the atrocities were perpetrated. As an occupation force, granting the US military and its affiliates (of which blackwater is one), unashamed immunity from prosecution based on the Iraqi judicial system is tantamount to simply issuing them with a blank cheque to go on killing indiscriminately and relentlessly.

If the threat of Iraqi prosecution were there, perhaps even the most diabolical of elements within US forces and mercenaries would think carefully before embarking on killing sprees, but bestowing on them total freedom in that manner is just absurd and sets dangerous precedents.

 

[wth1257]

The Iraqis themselves are insisting on prosecuting crimes committed by mercenary groups like Blackwater inside Iraq where the atrocities were perpetrated. As an occupation force, granting the US military and its affiliates (of which blackwater is one), unashamed immunity from prosecution based on the Iraqi judicial system is tantamount to simply issuing them with a blank cheque to go on killing indiscriminately and relentlessly.

If the threat of Iraqi prosecution were there, perhaps even the most diabolical of elements within US forces and mercenaries would think carefully before embarking on killing sprees, but bestowing on them total freedom in that manner is just absurd and sets dangerous precedents.

They can be tried in the US however as late as 2008 not a single one had been prosecuted.

 

[Keltoi]

I have asked you a hypothetical, how do you think the US populace would respond? Do you think they would say, "well sucks for those kids but the Bush Administration has to learn" or would there be widespread outrage?

I'm sure there is outrage in Syria. As long as terrorists are crossing the border to carry out attacks that outrage means nothing. Stop jihadists from crossing the border and the problem goes away. Do you expect the U.S. military to just shrug their shoulders and say "aww shucks" when they see cross border incursions into Iraq with the intent to destabilize the country?

 

[Keltoi]

lol Thanks for another laugh. I guess you have just added to the statistics of the majority who have no individual brains to think for themselves and fall to the prey of the propaganda and brainwashing steam train held by the one and ONLY terrorists which threaten our civilisation.

Yeah, you're right. The brave freedom fighters stand out in the desert and face U.S. forces in righteous conventional warfare far from civilian cover. My bad.

 

[Izyan]

Again, the campaigns which were undetaken by Saddam, were done so with the direct approval of the US, and with the military ordnance provided by the US administration during the Iran-Iraq war.

You don't know much about the Iraqi military do you. The US does not produce:

T-55
T-72
AK47
Dassault Mirage F.1EQ
MiG-21
Tu-22KD/KDP

All of which came from France and the soviets. We were given 2 transport helicopters from the US. That's it.

 

[MO783]

May Allah those who are in difficulty

Ameen

 

[Izyan]

The reason the US was attacked on 9/11 and before that in East Africa was precisely because of it's stance towars Israel. You have a very ignorant, and simplistic notion of how things work in international affairs.

This is not as simple as Al Qa'ida vs US (and it's cronies). The entire international community has laid down firm preconditions for peace in the middle east which israel has routinely violated.

Cease settlements
Withdraw from all occupied territories to the 1967 borders
Lift the seiges, blockades, sanctions and military incursions
Guarantee the right of return from Palestinians who were uprooted and exiled.

The failure of Israel to observe these conditions is what spawned the likes of Al Qai'da, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Oppression justifies resistance.

If the US called on Israel to lead the way in negotiations by implementing the aforementioned conditions, it may well have resulted in widespread international support and enhance american credibility, and also turned moderates in the Muslim world against the likes of Al Qa'ida.

It is the cataclysmic failure to do that, which has resulted in popularizing immensely the very same movements which the US today deems terrorist organizations.

You mean like the Roadmap to Peace? The US has always been an honest broker. Your terms are unacceptable to muslims. It is all or nothing.

 

[Izyan]

The USA was born from genocide of the Natives ...do you think these guys are going to stop...they have a plan to genocide and control all that is not in their image... that suits their way of life ...if Islam will not change it will be destroyed ...so False Muslims are being created in the West ...are put into powerful positions to usurp the real ones ...wake up people!! ...these guys are evil and they know it

Well with Keltoi being native I'm sure he will tell you that things aren't as black and white as you think they are.

 

[nocturnal]

You don't know much about the Iraqi military do you. The US does not produce:

T-55
T-72
AK47
Dassault Mirage F.1EQ
MiG-21
Tu-22KD/KDP

All of which came from France and the soviets. We were given 2 transport helicopters from the US. That's it.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2002/506/27605

http://brasschecktv.com/page/17.html

 

[nocturnal]

You mean like the Roadmap to Peace? The US has always been an honest broker. Your terms are unacceptable to muslims. It is all or nothing.

Israel has systematically with help from the west violated egregiously the rights of the Palestinian people which is enshrined in international law. This is undeniable.

The terms i outlined are not mine, they are of the Palestinians, the Muslim world and the international community at large. And let me remind you unreservedly, that the Palestinians, just as they rejected the 1947 partition plan, are under no obligation to accept a 2 state solution. Yet they are accepting one.

What does this tell you in terms of the concessions being made to the zionist regime?

 

[Izyan]

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2002/506/27605

How about a legit site?

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of "dual use" chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades, with potential for both industrial uses and manufacture of chemical weapons. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/nyt-041303.gif

 

[Izyan]

Israel has systematically with help from the west violated egregiously the rights of the Palestinian people which is enshrined in international law. This is undeniable.

The terms i outlined are not mine, they are of the Palestinians, the Muslim world and the international community at large. And let me remind you unreservedly, that the Palestinians, just as they rejected the 1947 partition plan, are under no obligation to accept a 2 state solution. Yet they are accepting one.

What does this tell you in terms of the concessions being made to the zionist regime?

They are not accepting a 2 state solution. HAMAS has publicly stated that this is only to ensure a ceasefire so they can rebuild to finish the job. Ask any muslim here. Muslims are not allowed to give up 1 inch of Palestine and that includes all of Israel.

 

[nocturnal]

They are not accepting a 2 state solution. HAMAS has publicly stated that this is only to ensure a ceasefire so they can rebuild to finish the job. Ask any muslim here. Muslims are not allowed to give up 1 inch of Palestine and that includes all of Israel.

Ofcourse they're not allowed to, there is no secret to this. Palestine cannot be forsaken. This is in the conscience of every Muslim.

Given the prevailing circumstances at the moment, Hamas itself has offered a ceasefire with israel in return for lifting the crippling embargo on Gaza, and easing the checkpoints in the West Bank.

Why should Hamas accept the legitimacy of the state of israel? The issue is not between Muslims and Jews, it is the validity of the zionist doctrine which has led to the situation in the middle east today. During the administration of FDR, assurances were given, especially to the Saudis, that no decision would be taken to recognize a jewish homeland in Palestine, yet upon his death, Truman not only recognized it, but expedited the entire process.

Such perfidious actions are reminiscent of the British betrayal of the Arabs in the aftermath of the first world war when the Ottomans were defeated, and the Balfour declaration subsequently issued.

Israel has done in Palestine what the US did to the native Inidians, it systematically sought to exterminate them. Hamas cannot recongnize israel, asking them to do this is like asking the Jews not to recognize the holocaust.

Yet, they have made concessions for a ceasefire, one which is subject to extensions and that, if worked on assiduously, will result in a lasting peace. Do not speak ignorantly of a subject of which you know little or nothing.

 

[The_Prince]

They are not accepting a 2 state solution. HAMAS has publicly stated that this is only to ensure a ceasefire so they can rebuild to finish the job. Ask any muslim here. Muslims are not allowed to give up 1 inch of Palestine and that includes all of Israel.

you keep saying Muslim this Muslim that as if to assume that the Jews can give up land, many Jews thanks to the book you call 'Holy' believe the whole land is theirs, and more should be taken as well for the vision of greater Israel.

you are a Christian, it is a part of your racist bigoted view that the land only belongs to the Jews and the others there are inferior people to the chosen ones, and that eventually Jesus will come back and save Israel and destroy all the others.

so why dont you mention these facts as well instead of comming here acting like an angel and that it is only Muslims who are not allowed to do this or that.