US Attacks syria

[barney]

barney, stop living in clouds, sure there are groups that target civilians, but there are groups that only target the occupation as well.
if there were no resistance, the US would've stayed for half a century... just like they do now in japan and south Korea. and please don't say that's because of the north, the north-south problem is not resolved as of yet because of the US...
one of the reasons for wanting to pullout has been casualties-despite how meager they are compared to Vietnam and so on. now you been brit, I can understand your feelings, but do you seriously think brits would be silent and lay down arms and get jobs so the say, germans would leave, that after the germans besiege the country for a decade, destroy most infrastructure, topple the government and destabilize the country:?

Hmm. Who runs Japan? What is the Japanse Land self Defence Force? A Puppet of the Bush administration? Who votes in their leaders? Where are the bases?(Okinawa...In other words isolated islands that dont affect Japan) 70% of Japanese people want US bases on their soil. 67% of them smaller bases. If the Japanese government asked tommorow for the US to leave, it would have to. yup it would whine and whinge, but it would have to leave.

If you think the US forces in the ROK, who have drawn down to 35000 are the cause of the stand off then you clearly have no idea about Juche, the Korean war or the history of the country. It's an inteeresting read so i would encourage you to find out, but simply quoting Kim Jong Ill's mantra is no saner than saying he is a god.

Yes the US might want permenant bases in Iraq, it'spossible, but it's up to the Iraqi Government elected by the people to decide this, not someone sitting in Peckham fuming about the capitalist pigs dominating the world.
There is no way that the US presence will drop till the country is safer for people there to walk in the streets and the Militias snap out of their tribal frenzy pumped up as they are on the support of the ignorant in muslim nations.

Six months of ceasefire and peace and no more street beheadings or IED's slaughtering ques of young Iraqi lads looking for a job serving their country, and the deverstation that Saddam methodically caused can be started to be fixed. Iraqis can have jobs, food, electricity, peace and live in harmony with its neighbours at last. The USA rebuilt all Europe's flattened cities in 10 years after WW2 costing them trillions of pounds, in the days when a trillion wasa lot of money.

Take a look at Vietnam if you like, what that nation is like now and how its people live in fear and poverty and hunger imprisonment and death.

The Mahdi Army i'm sure will within a few weeks of chasing the last chinook out of Baghdad have restored a wonderful islamic state where roses spring forth from the desert and people sing from dawn to dusk.

 

[alcurad]

I was speaking of the milirally not the government etc in japan.
and if you don't believe that the US policy in Korea is generally the reason for the split and so on, fine by me...
Iraqi's don't know what a western style democracy is, and never will for the foreseeable future, I don't get how you believe Iraq can have a democracy after what has been done to it, but whatever.
Iraqis will kill each other some more after the pullout, then stop and make whatever could be made, but only after the pullout, the occupation creates even more havoc while it stays, and intra-fighting has toned down only because there is not many left to kill.
the US is following what it always does in such cases,as it did in latin America, Mosaddeq's Iran, and so on. there is a book titled 'Game of Nations', I recommend it if you haven't read it already.

 

[barney]

I was speaking of the milirally not the government etc in japan.
and if you don't believe that the US policy in Korea is generally the reason for the split and so on, fine by me...
Iraqi's don't know what a western style democracy is, and never will for the foreseeable future, I don't get how you believe Iraq can have a democracy after what has been done to it, but whatever.
Iraqis will kill each other some more after the pullout, then stop and make whatever could be made, but only after the pullout, the occupation creates even more havoc while it stays, and intra-fighting has toned down only because there is not many left to kill.
the US is following what it always does in such cases,as it did in latin America, Mosaddeq's Iran, and so on. there is a book titled 'Game of Nations', I recommend it if you haven't read it already.

I was speaking of the military too. The Yanks stay in their base only to come out and spend hundreds of thousands on japanese goods further boosting the economy that the US kickstarted in the forties. They had a different attidude.

There was a fight not so long back in Iraq between two tribes over a cow. After the arguement left 17 dead 30 wounded and the cow dead, they went home to bomb up for tommorows scrap. This sort of thing is the norm.The US troops are not mind-controlling these people to do this.

The US however has "caused this" by removing the man who had to use bulldozers to shovel the dead civilians he killed under the sand in their hundreds of thousands.
If you fancy, visit a mass grave for the evidence.

I havnt read the book you mentioned, i'll keep a look out for it. I have read enough Chomsky however to know the mindset I imagineit is written on, but i'll still give it a read if i can.

cheers.

 

[doorster]

Read this Book: Game of Nations

Read this Book:> Game of Nations

Posted on October 3, 2008 by Rob
There are so many books written on the Middle East that sometimes its hard to know which ones are worth reading: Game_of_Nations:The Amorality of Power Politics by Miles Copeland is UN-PUT-DOWN-ABLE.


Picture a 1950s version of Bob Baer without the cursing. Copeland was unapologetically involved in all the major US action ( instigating coups etc) in the Middle East during the 1950s and 1960s and puts Egyptian-American relations into his Ultra-Realist theory of how “The Game of Nations” is played. An awesome book. Not well known, but its an excellent and realistic look at Egyptian-American relations, Egyptian history and IR. Does a very nice job of overcoming the Vacuum problem.

Books

• The Game of Nations: The Amorality of Power Politics, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1970
• Without Cloak or Dagger: The Truth About the New Espionage, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1974
• The Game Player: Confessions of the CIA's Original Political Operative, London: Aurum Press, 1989
• Meyer, Karl E. and Shareen Blair Brysac, Kingmakers: the Invention of the Modern Middle East, New York, London: W.W. Norton, 2008, ISBN 978-0-393-06199-4

 

[Keltoi]

Large portions of Iraq are now under Iraqi control. All of the south and another northern province was handed over last week.

 

[Fishman]

This thread fails...

 

[aamirsaab]

This thread fails...

This combined with the amount of pages for this thread indicates it is everyone's favourite time.....

...no not lunch time. But thread-locking time!

YAY *giggles and performs star jumps*