Black President = white by weapons

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Contrary to popular belief, that right wasn't about a standing militia or hunting, it was about securing individual liberty from all opponents, even if that opponent happens to be the government.
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Doesn't that run contary to democracy though? What if all the gun-totting rednecks decide that a democrat in the white house is an opponent to their liberty, and they rise up to overthrow the elected government?

I would support a ban on armor piercing rounds for example.
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But government tyrants would be wearing armour.
 
Fishman said:
Doesn't that run contary to democracy though? What if all the gun-totting rednecks decide that a democrat in the white house is an opponent to their liberty, and they rise up to overthrow the elected government?
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Well, an elected government is not what is meant by a tyranny. If you read the writings of John Locke, for example, he points to a tyranny as a government that runs contrary to the personal liberty of its citizens. Meaning a dictator who assumes total power. If a segment of the population decides to overthrow an elected government they are themselves becoming tyrants.


Fishman said:
But government tyrants would be wearing armour.
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Quite possibly, but in terms of criminals vs. police it makes sense to limit the availability of certain forms of ammunition that are used for the sole purpose of penetrating body protection. I can get armor piercing rounds for any form of rifle, so limiting the availability of certain ammunition isn't going to limit the availability of any firearm.
 
Hanz said:
So are people buying guns to shoot Obama or buying them for fear that he will ban them? :S
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Fear that legislation might be enacted by the democratically controlled congress and signed into law by the democratic president restricting their ability to buy certain guns in the future.

Trumble said:
Maybe it was in 1776. Now it's an insane historical relic. What possible use do you have for an assault rifle?! I know you hunt, but those things are designed to hunt people, not wildlife.
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I tend to agree with you, but the Constitution makes no distinction between what a particular gun might be intended to be used for, so for the broad interpretation has been that all guns are equally protected under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
 
Is it possible to buy those heavy guns in South without any paper permition? Could I just walk in the store and buy M 16?
 
Fishman said:
Doesn't that run contary to democracy though? What if all the gun-totting rednecks decide that a democrat in the white house is an opponent to their liberty, and they rise up to overthrow the elected government?

can you say JFK??


But government tyrants would be wearing armour.
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:sl:

and what happens when it's a republican in the white house who has been an opponent of liberty? :)

:w:
 
Aaron85 said:
Is it possible to buy those heavy guns in South without any paper permition? Could I just walk in the store and buy M 16?
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You have to go through a background check and a 5 day waiting period before purchasing. In some states you need a special ID issued by the state to enter a gun store.
 
They're mostly buying guns because Obama voted for increasing gun taxes and making it harder for people to purchase guns. They're afraid of guns being harder to buy and afford once he ''officially'' becomes the president come the end of January. So it basically doesn't have much to do with him being black, although some people may buy it for that reason as well. :)
 
Ameena* said:
.... So it basically doesn't have much to do with him being black, although some people may buy it for that reason as well. :)
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Tell that to the McCain's supporters, one white extremist/fundamentalist has already been arrested for Obama assassination plot.
 
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also bare in mind the current economic crisis, people feel uncertain and crime rises when there is economic slow down, so families protect themselves.
 
islamirama said:
Tell that to the McCain's supporters, one white extremist/fundamentalist has already been arrested for Obama assassination plot.
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:sl: Yeah I noticed, two skin-heads plotted an assassination attempt as well. But they were already caught by the FBI. The secret service is beefing up their security for Obama because he's the first non-white President and he's therefore more vulnerable.
 
Ameena* said:
They're mostly buying guns because Obama voted for increasing gun taxes and making it harder for people to purchase guns. They're afraid of guns being harder to buy and afford once he ''officially'' becomes the president come the end of January. So it basically doesn't have much to do with him being black, although some people may buy it for that reason as well. :)
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I agree. I notice that out of all the large American cities, it is only in Fort Worth that this rash of gun buying has been reported in. I wonder if that may have something to do with the fact that Texans are very pro private firearms ownership and fear any legislation that may interfere with it. So far Texas has avoided most of the firearms restrictions place upon the citizen's but reality is if they are to stay part of the Union they will eventually have to follow suit. Obama being elected looks like the death bell for many gun owners and dealers in Texas. I suspect the word is out, "Buy Now, before the feds end gun ownership"
 
I think the whole idea that Barack Obama would ban guns was hype started by gun shop owners and manufacturers to shore up sales which had hit a 5 year low. It worked: they're selling guns for up to double what they would've gotten in October! We have a saying "there's a fool born every minute". The panicky gun buyers are proof of that.

What's sad is some people think owning a gun makes them safer: as a healthcare provider I can tell you the home with the gun is much less safe - especially for children - than those without. I treat both adults and children for accidental gunshot wounds. Then there is the temptation, especially to teens and those with depression, to use the gun to commit suicide.

On top of that we always have those sad cases where someone thinks their home is being broken into and they shoot a family member or worse. This Halloween a man shot a child who was trick or treating. (He'd forgotten what night it was) I treated one woman who kept a loaded handgun under her pillow, along with her asthma inhaler. During the night she had an asthma attack and, in her sleepy wheezy state shot herself through the cheek. Thank God (Praise Him always!) she survived.

If they wanted real safety they'd invest in a trained dog. I believe the less faith in God the more a person depends on a weapon.
 
Ameena* said:
:sl: Yeah I noticed, two skin-heads plotted an assassination attempt as well. But they were already caught by the FBI. The secret service is beefing up their security for Obama because he's the first non-white President and he's therefore more vulnerable.
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That may be, that it doesn't follow that the spike in people buying guns is for the same reason.
 

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