Islam does not and should not provide the answers to everything

[czgibson]

Re: Concept of Ijtihad - Islam does provide the answers to everything!

Greetings,

indeed every thing necessary has been explained (but some will not see it since they may lack intellect/common-sense and/or education )

Since you clearly don't lack any of those things, perhaps you will be able to see that there is a big difference between saying "everything necessary has been explained" (although what is meant by 'necessary' is rather unclear) and "everything has been explained".

Peace

 

[doorster]

Quran - Sunnat - Ijtihad: Islam does provide the answers to everything!

my target audience are Muslim brethren at risk from your prosetlyzing and preaching tripe at them other than that I do not waste time on your type, feeding trolls is against my principles and taking them on could also get me banned, so excuse me!

Idle useless talk is haram wasting time on fruitless endeavours is against my religion!

23:1. Successful indeed are the believers;
23:2. those who humble themselves in their prayers;
23:3. and those who turn away from Al-Laghw (useless, false, vain talk).

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

my target audience are Muslim brethren at risk from your prosetlyzing and preaching tripe at them other than that I do not waste time on your type, feeding trolls is against my principles and taking them on could also get me banned, so excuse me!

It's so lovely to be made to feel welcome.

All the best with your chosen path.

Peace

 

[Saimah Ali]

Lol do you want to calm down people? Honestly, grow up!

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Islam has layed out the principles for answers to life's questions, so we can use these principles to answer the questions we do have in life.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Did everyone skip over the hadith I quoted before? It addressed the TC's question perfectly. What more is there to discuss?:ermm:


As for all these obscure questions that arent even important to our faith:

The messenger of Allah (saw) said :

"Part of someone's being a good Muslim is his leaving alone that which does not concern him."

fine hadith narrated by Termithi and others

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

You've placed limits on what kind of questions the Qur'an answers, whereas Muhammad said:



I'm simply pointing out that lots has been left out.

We're going in circles now. Remember when I said, "the sentences before and after it help to put it into the right context". And let us bear in mind that not all knowledge is beneficial, hence things that are not mentioned are not helpful for our ultimate success.

Regards.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Greetings,
We're going in circles now. Remember when I said, "the sentences before and after it help to put it into the right context". And let us bear in mind that not all knowledge is beneficial, hence things that are not mentioned are not helpful for our ultimate success.

Regards.

It seems you think you've answered my question, although I can't really see how your context changes what looks, on the face of it, to be an absurd statement (viz. "everything is explained in the Qur'an").

Am I right in thinking that what you actually mean is: "everything necessary for success in the afterlife is explained in the Qur'an"?

As for not all knowledge being beneficial, I can again think of many useful bits of knowledge not mentioned in the Qur'an. How to create a smallpox vaccine or an MRI scanner, for example.

Do you see what I mean? Do I see what you mean?

Thanks for your responses; I know it'll always be a thought-provoking discussion with you, Muhammad.

Peace

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you czgibson;

I can again think of many useful bits of knowledge not mentioned in the Qur'an. How to create a smallpox vaccine or an MRI scanner, for example.

Life on Earth is temporary and these medical innovations only prolong life for a few years. Surely the more important information to be found in scriptures is how to obtain eternal life. If we achieve immortality then we shall have no use for vaccines and other short term fixes.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric.

 

[doorster]

Greetings and peace be with you czgibson;


Life on Earth is temporary and these medical innovations only prolong life for a few years. Surely the more important information to be found in scriptures is how to obtain eternal life. If we achieve immortality then we shall have no use for vaccines and other short term fixes.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric.

greetings

God has not only given us Scripture for guidelines but also a head which contains a thinking brain, and he has not prohibited us from using that brain to come up with things that we need, be they medicine to save life or the A-Bomb to annihilate it.

These kuffar (and some believers too i.e if it were not done 1200 years ago, its bidha, poor things get confused with innovation in worship v innovation in technology) seem to be labouring under the impression that we are banned from using our head and learn/experiment

Peace!

 

[جوري]

Greetings,


It seems you think you've answered my question, although I can't really see how your context changes what looks, on the face of it, to be an absurd statement (viz. "everything is explained in the Qur'an").

Am I right in thinking that what you actually mean is: "everything necessary for success in the afterlife is explained in the Qur'an"?

As for not all knowledge being beneficial, I can again think of many useful bits of knowledge not mentioned in the Qur'an. How to create a smallpox vaccine or an MRI scanner, for example.

Do you see what I mean? Do I see what you mean?

Thanks for your responses; I know it'll always be a thought-provoking discussion with you, Muhammad.

Peace

You are so funny.. I really don't want to steal someone else's thunder, but what ludicrous expectations..
Let me pose you this question..
you are embarking on a two week holiday to the cayman islands you call your travel agent get a little pamphlet of town attractions, activities for tourists, things to do and things to avoid, how to get there for the best price where to stay, what to do in general to have a safe pleasant trip and stay.. do you also expect from that same pamphlet an answer on how to handle your spouse' peanut allergies?

What is the point of living at all if everything is handed you? Do you give your students the answers to exam questions in advance? why bother, learn live and grow or discover, just have your memories and expectations all set in advance and close the book.. or just simply sit there and await death..

If we are to assume you were given the ability to reason, and we know that God has already stated all the knowledge of the world is already within us, all we have to do is but reach for it.. we have MRI machines and small pox is indeed under control, why would you want that in divine revelation? diseases and needs change as time goes by, what was relevant 7000 yrs ago isnt today and vice versa...some diseases go extinct, some new ones arise, some we have brought upon ourselves, the message of a divine book should be universal.. you should reason your way out of difficulty not whine over why the answer wasn't given you in divine text..

honestly think of what you are requesting.. you'll always be unhappy no matter what lies therein.. because that is your nature (or the nature of some as we have all witnessed)... the same way folks peddle inane questions on every thread-- why five prayers? why not three or six.. well if it were three or six you'd question why not two or seven?
If you have established the criterion, the guide by what all else should be measured, You'll be satisfied it is the skeletal upon which all else is built..

Many scientists are satisfied not to have an actual visible reason behind many elusive phenomenon in our universe.. say 90% of essential hypertension for instance, yet go on treating it anyway without an influx of useless drivel.. for the greater good, in lieu of wasting a life time asking but why with a bunch of geezers who never seem to agree-- don't further the progress of humanity and in the scheme of things don't influence anyone in any positive way!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Was all of that meant to be relevant to my posts in some way?

Peace

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Greetings,

Was all of that meant to be relevant to my posts in some way?

Peace

Peace CZ,

I wonder if these 2 hadiths have not answered your questions about Islam's stance?


Once when the Prophet was deputing his companion Mu`adh to Yemen, he asked the latter,"What will you do if you have to decide a matter faced by you?" He replied, "I will decide it according to the Book of Allah." The Prophet further asked, "If you do not find anything about it in the Book of Allah, then what?" He answered, "In that case I’ll decide according to the Sunnah of the Prophet of Allah." At this the Prophet asked, "If you do not find anything in the Sunnah of the Prophet?" He said, "I’ll decide it with my own opinion (i.e. apply the reasoning power) and leave no stone unturned." Hearing this, the Prophet applauded, "Praise be to Allah who guided the apostle of the Prophet the methodology which the Prophet himself likes." (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Also

The messenger of Allah (saw) said :

"Part of someone's being a good Muslim is his leaving alone that which does not concern him."




The first hadith lays out the proper procedure for looking into Islam for answers. The second says that we are given what we need to know to be good Muslims through Islam. That phrase "good Muslims" is pertaining to striving for peace, justice, good manners, education, just to name a few.

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings czgibson,

Sorry for the delayed response. I haven't been active here for a while.

It seems you think you've answered my question, although I can't really see how your context changes what looks, on the face of it, to be an absurd statement (viz. "everything is explained in the Qur'an").

Am I right in thinking that what you actually mean is: "everything necessary for success in the afterlife is explained in the Qur'an"?

As for not all knowledge being beneficial, I can again think of many useful bits of knowledge not mentioned in the Qur'an. How to create a smallpox vaccine or an MRI scanner, for example.

Do you see what I mean? Do I see what you mean?

It seems that we are simply getting caught up in semantics. Going back to the previous posts, it has been clearly mentioned that there is a context behind this, and nobody is suggesting that everything imaginable has been explained in the Qur'an. Rather, whatever Allaah the Mighty and Majestic has deemed fit to include in His Book, then that is sufficient for all our needs.

Success in this life and the hereafter lies in following Islam, and thus everything required to attain such success has been explained. This leads on to the point that Islam is comprehensive and covers all that is required by mankind in all aspects of the religion including both guidelines for our beliefs and worship as well as guidelines for our relationships with everything around us. So not only are we taught how to worship God and draw nearer to Him, but we are also taught how to live a good life on earth.

The topic of scientific discovery and other such knowledge falls into a different category. I did not say such knowledge was not useful, rather we are encouraged to experiment and discover such things for our living on earth. But there is a type of knowledge which one cannot realise through discovery, rather it is only acquired through revelation from God.


I hope that makes things clearer.

Peace.