Terrorism strikes Mexico and the USA border.

[AvarAllahNoor]

If they were really inspired by catholicism or protestantism to kill and murder we would surely hear about it, especially that western media mostly are in hands of people who dislike our religion.

Lords Army claim they follow the teachings of the Bible. 'Islamic' terrorists claim they follow the teachings of the Quran.... The difference here baffles me?

 

[Amadeus85]

Lords Army claim they follow the teachings of the Bible. 'Islamic' terrorists claim they follow the teachings of the Quran.... The difference here baffles me?

The question is how much their actions follow the christian teaching and do they have support from the bishops and priests.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

The question is how much their actions follow the christian teaching and do they have support from the bishops and priests.

How manu Imans support the terror attacks on innocents? I'm sure it's not the majority, just a few misguided ones.

 

[Keltoi]

It is also about the "holy war" mentality. These terrorist groups, whose members are self-proclaimed Muslims, wrap their message and their actions in the blanket of jihad. One can debate about what jihad really means but we have no doubt what it means to groups like Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the numerous other groups who fall under the umbrella.

A terrorist act committed by a Muslim doesn't necessarily mean it was influenced by his or her religious beliefs. However, when the "martyrs" who have just blown themselves and a group of civilians to pieces also left behind a videotape describing his motivations it is a little difficult to deny the label.

 

[The_Prince]

lol its amazing, you look at aaron and see how deperate some christians are, for instance aaron says oh well these african 'christian' terrorists arent really christian, they dont follow the Bible, and dont have support from bishops etc.

so conveniantly for you Muslims who do terrorism are following Islam, but for christians no no they have it all wrong?

go get ur facts straight buddy, the Catholic Church in congo backed the genocide commited by congo against the rwandans.

but again notice the double standards by these christians, when Muslims commit terrorism yesssssss its ISLAMIC ISLAMIC LETS SAY IT, when christians commit terrorism backed by their faith the christians now say oh well u seeeeee theyre just wrong and this isnt christian at all.

 

[The_Prince]

It is also about the "holy war" mentality. These terrorist groups, whose members are self-proclaimed Muslims, wrap their message and their actions in the blanket of jihad. One can debate about what jihad really means but we have no doubt what it means to groups like Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the numerous other groups who fall under the umbrella.

A terrorist act committed by a Muslim doesn't necessarily mean it was influenced by his or her religious beliefs. However, when the "martyrs" who have just blown themselves and a group of civilians to pieces also left behind a videotape describing his motivations it is a little difficult to deny the label.

and the same applies to bush and his war hawks, who evoked the bible and christian terms for their wars in afghanistan and iraq, hence stop looking at things from one angle to try and demonize Islam when your own leaders do the same thing, but nooooooooo thats different isnt it?!!!!!!!

when bush says this is a crusade, and you are either with us or against us, one a christian religous concept, and the other straight from the bible, nooooooooooooooooo thats just erm well u see thats erm erm well no no u see ermmmmmmm. give us a bl00dy break will u?

 

[The_Prince]

bush and his gang are Christian terrorists. FACT. now watch christians make excuses to show everybody their hypocrisy yet again.

 

[The_Prince]

bush says crusade: no thats not christian related

bin laden says jihad: well u see this is somehow related to Islam, we cant deny it.

bush says ur either with us or against us, which is from the bible itself: well u see no, not really.

bin laden quotes Quran: see, its Islam related im afraid, he quotes Quran.

lolllllllllllllllllll dang are these Christians for real? their hypocrisy is so bl00dy sickening.

 

[Keltoi]

and the same applies to bush and his war hawks, who evoked the bible and christian terms for their wars in afghanistan and iraq, hence stop looking at things from one angle to try and demonize Islam when your own leaders do the same thing, but nooooooooo thats different isnt it?!!!!!!!

when bush says this is a crusade, and you are either with us or against us, one a christian religous concept, and the other straight from the bible, nooooooooooooooooo thats just erm well u see thats erm erm well no no u see ermmmmmmm. give us a bl00dy break will u?

For one thing, the word "crusade" is not simply a Christian term. It is used in various ways in modern common speech. President Bush made a mistake in using that term because he was obviously ignorant of what that word brings to mind in the Arab world. He was not suggesting that the U.S. military was representing the will of God in a holy war.

As for "you are either with us or against us", I fail to see how that comes "straight from the Bible." It was a justification for Bush's war policy, which was preemptive.

I would have no problem labeling a Christian group, who was involved in mass killings and terrorism, that justified its actions as the will of God or in "defense of Christendom", as Christian terrorists.

The Mexican drug cartels do not fit that description.

 

[The_Prince]

For one thing, the word "crusade" is not simply a Christian term. It is used in various ways in modern common speech. President Bush made a mistake in using that term because he was obviously ignorant of what that word brings to mind in the Arab world. He was not suggesting that the U.S. military was representing the will of God in a holy war.

As for "you are either with us or against us", I fail to see how that comes "straight from the Bible." It was a justification for Bush's war policy, which was preemptive.

I would have no problem labeling a Christian group, who was involved in mass killings and terrorism, that justified its actions as the will of God or in "defense of Christendom", as Christian terrorists.

The Mexican drug cartels do not fit that description.

lol lol BUSH IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, so when he says CRUSADE i think we know what he meant, so big fail there with your weak response, we all know what he meant, you know what he meant, you dont even believe your response.

as for your with us or against us from the Bible, here you go my friend:

He that is not with me is against me, Luke 11:23

He that is not with me is against me, Matthew 12:30

this is directly from the Bible, you are either with us, or against us! and again, bush is a born again Christian as he says, so u really think were all stupid and expect to believe when he used the term crusade, as well as using a phrase exactly from the Bible is mere coincidences and not religously motivated? lol well if you want to be in denial, be in denial.

 

[aamirsaab]

Bush did also claim God told him to attack Iraq....which everyone seems to have forgotten.

Anywho, let's get back to the topic: Terrorism strikes mexico and the USA border.

I always found that weird - the level of animosity between the two neighbouring countries. Of course, I also find certain americans saying immigrants should get out of the USA also weird but whatever.

 

[Keltoi]

Bush did also claim God told him to attack Iraq....which everyone seems to have forgotten.

Anywho, let's get back to the topic: Terrorism strikes mexico and the USA border.

I always found that weird - the level of animosity between the two neighbouring countries. Of course, I also find certain americans saying immigrants should get out of the USA also weird but whatever.

I think you miss the point. Americans aren't saying immigrants should leave the country, most, for some strange reason, think illegal immigrants should leave the country. There is a big difference there.

As for Bush saying that God told him to attack Iraq, that has been debunked long ago. That actually came from a Palestinian diplomat, who later retracted that statement and said he didn't mean it that way.

 

[Keltoi]

lol lol BUSH IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, so when he says CRUSADE i think we know what he meant, so big fail there with your weak response, we all know what he meant, you know what he meant, you dont even believe your response.

A Crusade, a term that wasn't even used until about the 4th Crusade, describes a holy war legitimized by papal authority. In the modern age it is a term used to describe a goal or mission. For example, Batman is called "the caped crusader." Does that mean he is on a holy war to reclaim the Holy Sepulchre? Obviously not.

as for your with us or against us from the Bible, here you go my friend:

He that is not with me is against me, Luke 11:23

He that is not with me is against me, Matthew 12:30

this is directly from the Bible, you are either with us, or against us! and again, bush is a born again Christian as he says, so u really think were all stupid and expect to believe when he used the term crusade, as well as using a phrase exactly from the Bible is mere coincidences and not religously motivated? lol well if you want to be in denial, be in denial.

The actual verse is: "The person who isn't with me is against me, and the person who isn't gathering with me is scattering."

That is referring to the fact that those who are not involved in bringing people to God are involved with scattering them away.

That is not what Bush was saying. He was referring to those who give aid or refuge for terrorists inside of their country. It was a warning to those countries who believe they can stay out of the conflict on one hand and on the other give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States. As is usually the case, statements require context.