Israel prepared to attack Iran nuclear plants

[Whatsthepoint]

Interesting thanks..
sadly the ones who are irreligious are supposedly Muslim.. and they speak often of being occupied by Muslims... which is rather strange.. for instance Egypt has had a long pharpnic history before Islam and yet they were happy to embrace it.. I don't find that the case with Iranians at all.. also many of them can't give up their pre-Islamic celebrations, but I suppose that is true of many cultures anyway...
You are right about every country has its good and bad.. I knew two amazing Iranians one a physicist and the other in med school unfortunately both overshadowed by all the other Iranians I have met...

In fact, Egypt was fully Christian before the Muslims invasion. All pharaonic tarditions were gone by that time, I think the hieroglyphics were banned because of their pagan origin.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Now israel? heh. They won't start a war that they've already lost, because I'll slap them back to the stone age! (J/P)
But seriously, Iran is fully armed and ready to take on isreal, they'll be wiped off the map before their fighter jets even reach the borders of Iran. It's not 25 years ago anymore, Iran has very advanced military technology, and purchases more advanced weapons etc from Russia.
One last thing, as I recall they said they'd wipe off hizbollah in less than a week? And they ended up losing? Jeez, how do they want to take on someone 1000x stronger than hizbollah? :ermm:

Israel is stronger in terms of military power and has stronger and more willing allies, no 1 being the US with plenty of bases nearby.
No Iranian leader will be foolish enough to launch a preemptive strike on Israel.
I don't think Israel will ever attack Iran either.

 

[جوري]

In fact, Egypt was fully Christian before the Muslims invasion. All pharaonic tarditions were gone by that time, I think the hieroglyphics were banned because of their pagan origin.

Hieroglyphics are not banned.. I have a cousin who is well studied in hieroglyphics as well my own dad...

Egypt didn't see Monotheism as an invasion or negative change and I believe it goes back to the time of Moses and the pharoh.. as well some Pharaohs in Egypt were already monotheists like akhnaton..

peace

 

[جوري]

Israel is stronger in terms of military power and has stronger and more willing allies, no 1 being the US with plenty of bases nearby.
No Iranian leader will be foolish enough to launch a preemptive strike on Israel.
I don't think Israel will ever attack Iran either.

The interesting thing about Israel is it might have all that heavy artillery but it isn't strategically placed -- sort of like when you have an excellent restaurant and grade A chefs cooking the best meals.. but the neighborhood is dangerous-- no one will want to risk it to eat there...

Anything that they do even by way of nuclear war will annihilate its neighbors its true but will cascade right back to them!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Hieroglyphics are not banned.. I have a cousin who is well studied in hieroglyphics as well my own dad...

Egypt didn't see Monotheism as an invasion or negative change and I believe it goes back to the time of Moses and the pharoh.. as well some Pharaohs in Egypt were already monotheists like akhnaton..

peace

I said they were banned.
Well, Arabs invaded and took over the land, I call that invasion. Its a whole different thing if the people like what the invaders brought.
egypt was monotheistic prior to the invasion, though I guess Christianity doesn't fit into your definition of monotheism.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

The interesting thing about Israel is it might have all that heavy artillery but it isn't strategically placed -- sort of like when you have an excellent restaurant and grade A chefs cooking the best meals.. but the neighborhood is dangerous-- no one will want to risk it to eat there...

Anything that they do even by way of nuclear war will annihilate its neighbors its true but will cascade right back to them!

You're right, the placing sucks though not as much as it may seem. I believe most of the neigboring countries would choose not to interfere, Egypt with its puppet government, Jordan with its peaceful king, I don't know about Lebanon and Syria, the latter would most probably go against Israel.
I don't understand the final sentence.

 

[جوري]

Egypt saw them as liberators not invaders-- you are right, if people don't like it, they will leave it behind.. considering Egypt had a long history of wars and tyrant Pharaohs--

and you are right, Christianity as we know it today doesn't fit the definition of monotheism-- but I have no doubt that at some point it was.. Egypt was one of the first places of Christianity I believe Jesus PBUH visited it as well when he returns he'll lead the people to a mount there (whose name now escapes me) away from Gog and Magog..

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Egypt saw them as liberators not invaders

How do you know that?

 

[جوري]

You're right, the placing sucks though not as much as it may seem. I believe most of the neigboring countries would choose not to interfere, Egypt with its puppet government, Jordan with its peaceful king, I don't know about Lebanon and Syria, the latter would most probably go against Israel.
I don't understand the final sentence.

The sentiment of the people is different of their dictators -- when/if war erupts and it is full scale you'll see the people of Egypt coming out.. in fact there is a hadith to that extent I wish someone would locate for me...
where Prophet Mohammed PBUH stated.. that when entering Egypt to pick of its soldiery for its inhabitants are in committed with war to the day of recompense!


and Allah swt knows best

 

[alcurad]

whatsthepoint, the Arabs were helped by the Copts during the invasion, and the it was the Byzantines being kicked out of Egypt, which was how many miles from Constantinople again?
the Egyptians accepted the Arabs, and the religion that came with them, mostly because of the repression they were undergoing from their christian 'brethren',what's your point?

 

[جوري]

How do you know that?

because they are my ancestors and all who chose to embrace Islam 90% of Egypt see it that way, else they would have remained copts-- prophet Mohammed PBUH also said to be gentle of the Copts of Egypt -- for the most part Egyptian Copts and Muslims have a great relationship --outside the fold of what goes in the media now a days and the human devils working to incite civil wars... yes there are evil copts and Muslims alike but mostly it is peaceful-- again if you ask how I know.. because I have lived there and I have see it

peace

 

[mohsen1985]

Israel is stronger in terms of military power and has stronger and more willing allies, no 1 being the US with plenty of bases nearby.
No Iranian leader will be foolish enough to launch a preemptive strike on Israel.
I don't think Israel will ever attack Iran either.

israel won't dare attack Iran. Like I said before, Iran fought half the world before empty handed, if war was to come, israel will be sorry for starting it.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

because they are my ancestors and all who chose to embrace Islam 90% of Egypt see it that way, else they would have remained copts-- prophet Mohammed PBUH also said to be gentle of the Copts of Egypt -- for the most part Egyptian Copts and Muslims have a great relationship --outside the fold of what goes in the media now a days and the human devils working to incite civil wars... yes there are evil copts and Muslims alike but mostly it is peaceful-- again if you ask how I know.. because I have lived there and I have see it

peace

Now you didn't live there in the 7th century, did you.
The fact that 90% of the population became Muslim in time doesn't mean that the people saw Arabs as liberators.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

israel won't dare attack Iran. Like I said before, Iran fought half the world before empty handed, if war was to come, israel will be sorry for starting it.

If either of them starts it, they will be sorry for it and so will the rest of the world. Why can't you and your just levae each other alone?

 

[جوري]

Now you didn't live there in the 7th century, did you.
The fact that 90% of the population became Muslim in time doesn't mean that the people saw Arabs as liberators.

Egypt had pre-Islamic wars galore and never came under the Influence of Greeks or Romans or whomever else.. the fact that they assimilated fully under Islam is its own testament to how well received as well that is what History books record.. it was very peaceful massive conversion.. and hence my original question about Iran.. whereas Most Egyptians see Islam as a blessing and have totally given up their previous pagan practices.. Iran can't seem to get over it is Persian pride..

peace

 

[alcurad]

in fact there is a hadith to that extent

أبو يعلى في مسنده (3/رقم1473) وعنه ابن حبان في صحيحه (15/رقم6677) وابن عبد الحكم في فتوح مصر (ص53) من طرق عن أبي هانئ الخولاني عن أبي عبد الرحمن الحبلي وعمرو بن حريث وغيرهما أن رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: "إنكم ستقدمون على قوم جُعد رؤوسهم، فاستوصوا بهم خيرا، فإنهم قوة لكم، وبلاغ إلى عدوكم بإذن الله عز وجل -يعني قبط مصر-.
وسنده صحيح على شرط مسلم.

 

[mohsen1985]

If either of them starts it, they will be sorry for it and so will the rest of the world. Why can't you and your just levae each other alone?

They planned to attack our nuclear plants! They started it.

One more thing!!!!!!!!

Why won't they get rid of their nuclear weapons? What's a greater threat to the world? 1 - A country WITH nuclear weapons, already at war with a bunch of defenseless people, killing and bombing them or 2 - A country that is trying to build nuclear PLANTS purely for the purpose of producing electricity?

Do you know why the USA is terrified of Iran having nuclear plants?

Because with them, they burn less fossil fuels for energy! That way they have more oil and gas to play the world market. That's what they don't want! They couldn't care less if Iran had nuclear weapons, they know they'll never use them. They also know Iran can simply purchase any amount of nuclear weapons it wants from Russia, or any other country for that matter!

 

[جوري]

أبو يعلى في مسنده (3/رقم1473) وعنه ابن حبان في صحيحه (15/رقم6677) وابن عبد الحكم في فتوح مصر (ص53) من طرق عن أبي هانئ الخولاني عن أبي عبد الرحمن الحبلي وعمرو بن حريث وغيرهما أن رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: "إنكم ستقدمون على قوم جُعد رؤوسهم، فاستوصوا بهم خيرا، فإنهم قوة لكم، وبلاغ إلى عدوكم بإذن الله عز وجل -يعني قبط مصر-.
وسنده صحيح على شرط مسلم.

Excellent Jazaka Allah.. can you find the other one too? I am not well navigated with Hadith as I am with the Quran..

the one about taking jund katheer from Egypt as they are fi jihad ila youm ad'deen

 

[alcurad]

عن عمر بن العاص حدثني عمر أنه سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول إذا فتح الله عليكم مصر بعدي فاتخذوا فيها جندا كثيفا فذلك الجند خير أجناد الأرض قال أبو بكر ولم ذاك يا رسول الله قال إنهم في رباط إلى يوم القيامة
but some scholars say it's its weak, not sure though.

as it were, the Israelis probably won't attack, it would be too costly. it's mostly propaganda me thinks.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Egypt had pre-Islamic wars galore and never came under the Influence of Greeks or Romans or whomever else.. the fact that they assimilated fully under Islam is its own testament to how well received as well that is what History books record.. it was very peaceful massive conversion.. and hence my original question about Iran.. whereas Most Egyptians see Islam as a blessing and have totally given up their previous pagan practices.. Iran can't seem to get over it is Persian pride..

peace

Egyptians fully assimilated into at least 3 different cultures, Greek, Christian and Islamic.
Well, what I said in my first post is that they didn't have any pagan practices to give up, seeing how Egypt was aChristian land back then. That is unless you consider Christianity to be a pagan religion.