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Wow - once again I am amazed at how the simplest of questions can cause irritation !!

You call it irritation, I call it annoyance, especially considering your name "thinker" and yet lacking simple capabilities to comprehend an answer given to you already.
 
Hi,

I note that Muslims and Jews don’t eat pork. As there is no rational reason not to eat pork I presume that there is something written in the scriptures of both religions forbidding the eating of pork? I suspect that a couple of thousand years back pigs were full of all manner of worms etc., and there was a good reason to steer people away from pork and that’s how it might of got itself into Jewish scriptures but how did it get into Islamic teachings?
I'm not giving an Islamic perspective, but the fact that cannibals say that human flesh tastes a lot like pork would kind of put me off it even if my faith allowed it.

Wow – some harsh words said about pigs!

I’m sure that pigs would prefer to eat ‘Michelin’ quality food but what can they do when their fed crap. OK, so they like to role in mud but so do elephants, buffalos and lots of other animals.
And would you like to eat elephants, buffalos and lots of other animals?

There's also the fact that in Islam (I don't know about other religions' rulings on this) the eating of carnivorous or omnivourous animals is prohibited.

And pigs' eating habits are kind of in the realms of... God's vaccuum cleaners, so...

And yes they are susceptible to worms and the like but then cows get mad cow disease and chickens get that deadly mutant flu.
If just one farmer doesn't treat them correctly, yes, and the virus can spread very easily. Cows and chickens don't roll around in and eat their own excretement though.

I am not an advocate for eating more pork but recently returned from a Muslim country I was surprised at just how many ways pork was in my diet. I was suddenly deprived of bacon, pork sausages and ham sandwiches not to mention pork chops etc., and it highlighted just how versatile pork is.
Ever since I read articles about more than one cannibal saying just what human tastes like, I don't think I'll ever be swayed by pork's versatility.

All that aside, what I was trying to get to was the origins of the ban on eating pork. Clearly it pre-dates Islam and there seems to be a common root in that Jews apply the same ban and of course Jews and the original Muslims came from the same roots. I wondered if it was something from a cultural past that had found its way into religious doctrine?
Apparently in Middle Eastern climes pork doesn't keep for as long as other meats - i.e. it becomes rotten/inedible sooner than other meats.

It does not necessarily follow that this is the reason certain religions banned it. If that were the case, surely religions would simply implore their followers to prepare it faster (and not let it fester) rather than ban it outright.
 
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Why do we have to justify anything to Thinker???? :?

Allah SWT said don't eat pork so we won't eat it. Who cares if it is hygenic or not?

This is how it is... whether someone likes it or not.

Peace
 
Why do we have to justify anything to Thinker???? :?

Allah SWT said don't eat pork so we won't eat it. Who cares if it is hygenic or not?

This is how it is... whether someone likes it or not.

Peace

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Hi,

I note that Muslims and Jews don’t eat pork. As there is no rational reason not to eat pork I presume that there is something written in the scriptures of both religions forbidding the eating of pork? I suspect that a couple of thousand years back pigs were full of all manner of worms etc., and there was a good reason to steer people away from pork and that’s how it might of got itself into Jewish scriptures but how did it get into Islamic teachings?

Tinea Solium and cysticercosis as well the often fatal neurocysticercosis -- is very much alive and with us today..
Pigs are a prohibition on ALL Abrahamic faiths, including Christianity, if you'll recall it wasn't Jesus who abrogated that prohibition rather Saul/Paul
so it is really a no wonder that it is a prohibition on Muslims as well, since we believe the same God that brought down the Psalms of David and the scrolls of Abraham is the same one who brought the Quran..

Also as a general rule there need NOT be any scientific reason for a prohibition-- if it is brilliant in part and you have come to accept it, then by same token you'll accept the whole, even if it doesn't make much sense to you...

I wouldn't eat a giraffe or a rhino anymore than I'd eat a pig-- if you were stranded on a pig only Island with no other source of food, then necessity overrides prohibition but I doubt very much that will happen...

peace
Epidemiology and transmission of cysticercosis

Author
A Clinton White, Jr, MD, FACP, FIDSA Section Editor
Peter F Weller, MD, FACP Deputy Editor
Elinor L Baron, MD, DTMH



Last literature review version 16.3: September 2008*|*This topic last updated: August 29, 2008*(More)


INTRODUCTION*—*Cysticercosis is caused by the larval stage of the tapeworm Taenia solium; clinical syndromes include neurocysticercosis (NCC) and extraneural cysticercosis. In endemic areas NCC is an important cause of adult-onset seizures [1-4] .

The epidemiology and transmission of cysticercosis will be reviewed here. The clinical manifestations, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of cysticercosis and the life cycle of T. solium are discussed separately. (See "Clinical manifestations and diagnosis of cysticercosis" and see "Treatment and prevention of cysticercosis" and see "Intestinal tapeworms").

EPIDEMIOLOGY*—*Approximately 50 million people worldwide are estimated to have cysticercosis infection, although estimates are probably low since many infections are subclinical and there are relatively few population based data on prevalence [5,6] . Cysticercosis is endemic in many regions of Central and South America, sub-Saharan Africa, India, and Asia [1-4,7] . The prevalence of cysticercosis varies within these countries and is often higher in rural or periurban areas where pigs are raised and sanitary conditions are suboptimal [1-4,7] . In some such communities the rate of epilepsy approaches 3 percent, and 25 to 40 percent of these cases have evidence of cysticercosis [2-4] .

Individuals with cysticercosis also present for medical attention outside of endemic areas, particularly where there are significant numbers of immigrants [8-10] . In a prospective study of 1800 patients presenting with seizures to 11 US emergency departments over a two-year period, neurocysticercosis was the etiologic agent in about 2 percent of cases [9] . Neurocysticercosis was observed more frequently in emergency departments of Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque (5.7 percent), which had a higher proportion of immigrant Hispanic patients than the other hospitals. Travelers to endemic areas represent another source of cysticercosis, although such infection accounts for a minority of cases in the United States [9,11] .

Individuals with no history of pork consumption or travel to endemic areas can also develop NCC. In a report of four cases in an Orthodox Jewish community (whose dietary laws strictly prohibit consumption of pork), for example, infection was transmitted by domestic workers who had recently emigrated from Latin American countries where T. solium is endemic [12] . Epidemiologic studies have demonstrated tight clustering in households; household contacts of patients with neurocysticercosis have a three-fold higher risk of positive serology for cysticercosis in comparison with controls [13] .

LIFE CYCLE AND TRANSMISSION*—*Cysticercosis is transmitted by ingestion of T. solium eggs shed in the stool of a human tapeworm carrier (show figure 1). Following ingestion, embryos (oncospheres) hatch in the small intestine, invade the bowel wall and disseminate hematogenously to brain, striated muscles, liver, and/or other tissues. Over a period of three to eight weeks, tissue cysticerci develop; these consist of membranous walls filled with fluid and protoscolices (composed of rudimentary bodies and heads with suckers and hooks). Localization of cysts to the brain results in neurocysticercosis; humans with cysticercosis are incidental dead end hosts.

Humans become T. solium tapeworm carriers by ingesting undercooked pork containing cysticerci in muscle tissue. Once ingested, the protoscolices are released from the cysts and attach to the human small intestine by their suckers and hooks. Subsequently, maturation into an adult tapeworm occurs over a period of two to four months. Adult tapeworms can reside in the small intestine for years; they may develop up to 7 m in length with each proglottid segment containing 50,000 to 100,000 eggs.

About 5 to 40 percent of patients with cysticercosis are tapeworm carriers, and most individuals with intestinal tapeworm infection do not develop symptomatic cysticercosis [14] . However, human tapeworm carriers are at risk for fecal-oral autoinoculation of eggs and subsequent development of cysticercosis. It has also been postulated that human tapeworm carriers may ingest eggs from proglottids carried from the small intestine into the stomach by reverse peristalsis, although this mechanism has not been proven.

Pigs acquire infection through ingestion of food or water contaminated by infected human feces. Rates of transmission are high in rural communities where pigs roam free and human fecal contamination of soil is common. Pig-to-pig transmission also occurs, although the magnitude and effect of this transmission on rates of human infection is not fully understood [15] .

A common misconception is that cysticercosis is acquired by eating pork. However, as the above life cycle illustrates, ingestion of infected pork only causes adult tapeworm infestation (taeniasis), because infected pork contains the larval cysts that develop into adult worms in human intestine, but does not contain the eggs that cause cysticercosis [16] .

Transmission of cysticercosis was previously thought to occur by indirect means such as by the ingestion of produce irrigated with water contaminated with human feces containing T. solium eggs. However, epidemiological evidence suggests that the most common source of infective eggs is an asymptomatic household tapeworm carrier [17,18] . Therefore, cysticercosis should be viewed as a disease largely transmitted from person to person, with infected pigs as perpetuators of infection.

The taenia life cycle is discussed in further detail separately. (See "Intestinal tapeworms" section on Taeniasis).

SUMMARY Cysticercosis is caused by the larval stage of the tapeworm Taenia solium. (See "Introduction" above). Approximately 50 million people worldwide are estimated to have cysticercosis infection, which is endemic in many regions of Central and South America, sub-Saharan Africa, India, and Asia. The prevalence of cysticercosis varies and is often higher in rural or periurban areas, especially where pigs are raised and where sanitary conditions are suboptimal. (See "Epidemiology" above). The most common source of infective eggs is an asymptomatic household tapeworm carrier. Household contacts of patients with neurocysticercosis have a three-fold higher risk of positive serology for cysticercosis, in comparison with controls. (See "Epidemiology" above). Cysticercosis is transmitted by ingestion of T. solium eggs shed in the stool of a human tapeworm carrier. Following ingestion, embryos (oncospheres) hatch in the small intestine, invade the bowel wall and disseminate hematogenously to brain, striated muscles, liver, and/or other tissues. (See "Life cycle and transmission" above). Humans become T. solium tapeworm carriers by ingesting undercooked pork containing cysticerci in muscle tissue. About 5 to 40 percent of patients with cysticercosis are tapeworm carriers, and most individuals with intestinal tapeworm infection do not develop symptomatic cysticercosis. (See "Life cycle and transmission" above). A common misconception is that one can acquire neurocysticercosis by eating pork. However, ingestion of infected pork causes adult tapeworm infestation (taeniasis) but not cysticercosis. This is because infected pork contains the larval cysts that develop into adult worms in human intestine, but does not contain the eggs that cause cysticercosis. (See "Life cycle and transmission" above).

ACKNOWLEDGMENT*—*The editorial staff at UpToDate, Inc. would like to acknowledge Drs. Peter Weller and Karin Leder, who contributed to an earlier version of this topic review.


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It would seem the consumption of pork is not a major health threat in countries where meat production is properly regulated.
 
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Several reasons:
1) According to cannibals, pork tastes like human beings (that's what I was told anyway!)
2) Impracticalities in killing the animal; for an animal to be fit for consumption, all the blood has to be drained - Islamically speaking that is. With a pig, you cannot drain all the blood since it has no neck. The only way to drain all of the animal's blood is to desecrate the corpse - something that is not allowed in Islam. The whole purpose of halal meat is to inflict the least amount of pain (so it doesn't suffer) AND that it's blood is all fully drained. Cutting the neck is the only way to do it.

Yeah it's a nasty job but if you're THAT self-righteous about the whole thing then the mere concept of killing animals for food would put you into a coma!

That makes sense. If you don't want to inflict pain, then why is the pig regarded is vile and unclean? That's not respectful is it. I know halal makes it edible, as you've asked Allah to forgive you for talking it's life. In Sikhism we belive the same, only we're told not to kill any animal to begin with. :D
 
That makes sense. If you don't want to inflict pain, then why is the pig regarded is vile and unclean? That's not respectful is it.

I've heard a lot about pig's cleanliness - some say it is not very clean and others say it is (just depends on whether the farmer does his job properly). I myself barf everytime I go near pigs and knowing that you cannot kill it in a halaal way (through minimal pain and without desecrating its corpse) is enough for me not to want to eat it.

I know halal makes it edible, as you've asked Allah to forgive you for talking it's life. In Sikhism we belive the same, only we're told not to kill any animal to begin with. :D
Hehehe. Well, at least you know where you stand. Islamically, we're allowed to eat most meat - just not pork and carnivores (which, scientifically speaking is quite clever since carnies won't have a lot of nutrients in them). Islam actually allows for a balanced and mixed diet if you look at it holistically.

Still, to each their own ways.
 
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Hi aamirsaab,
You've said here above that islamically, we're allowed to eat most meat, just not pork and carnivores. I totally agree about pork, but what about fish? I mean, we're allowed to eat fish, even though some fish eat other fish (the ones that are smaller than them of course)?
 
Hi aamirsaab,
You've said here above that islamically, we're allowed to eat most meat, just not pork and carnivores. I totally agree about pork, but what about fish? I mean, we're allowed to eat fish, even though some fish eat other fish (the ones that are smaller than them of course)?

Yah. Fish is a whole can of worms (or should I say tank of fish - yeah I know that was lame) that I don't have much knowledge on. I know that Shark and pirahna would be haram under the carnivore ruling but that's the limit of my knowledge on the matter.
 
Yah. Fish is a whole can of worms (or should I say tank of fish - yeah I know that was lame) that I don't have much knowledge on. I know that Shark and pirahna would be haram under the carnivore ruling but that's the limit of my knowledge on the matter.

Oh Ok doesn't matter then :)
Thanks anyways!
 
Why do we have to justify anything to Thinker???? :?

Allah SWT said don't eat pork so we won't eat it. Who cares if it is hygenic or not?

This is how it is... whether someone likes it or not.

Peace

Why do you think that I am asking anyone to justify anything? Why are you and some others so defensive? I have no hidden agenda, I asked a simple question about the origin of the ban on pork; I made some simple observations about the fact that the ban existed long before Islam. I don't care if you eat pork or don't eat pork and I am not asking any Muslims or Jews to 'justify' why they don't eat pork. Why does such a simple question irritate some of you?
 
Hi aamirsaab,
You've said here above that islamically, we're allowed to eat most meat, just not pork and carnivores. I totally agree about pork, but what about fish? I mean, we're allowed to eat fish, even though some fish eat other fish (the ones that are smaller than them of course)?
There are two schools of thought (or of fish? :p) on the matter - one school of thought would discourage eating carnivorous fish; the other school of thought would permit all 'creatures of the ocean'.

There is a key hadith in this area which I can't quite remember. I'll see what I can do inshallah.

I have no hidden agenda, I asked a simple question about the origin of the ban on pork; I made some simple observations about the fact that the ban existed long before Islam.
Any secular explanation is purely speculatory at this point.
 
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There are two schools of thought (or of fish? :p) on the matter - one school of thought would discourage eating carnivorous fish; the other school of thought would permit all 'creatures of the ocean'.
Even sea pigs?
 
Why do you think that I am asking anyone to justify anything? Why are you and some others so defensive? I have no hidden agenda, I asked a simple question about the origin of the ban on pork; I made some simple observations about the fact that the ban existed long before Islam. I don't care if you eat pork or don't eat pork and I am not asking any Muslims or Jews to 'justify' why they don't eat pork. Why does such a simple question irritate some of you?
bugs are irritating :P
 
It would seem the consumption of pork is not a major health threat in countries where meat production is properly regulated.

as stated in my post.. you don't need to make a super genetically engineered clean pig to bypass God's law.. If you've built your faith on reason, then you'll accept the minor nuances that come with the territory -- I don't think we are missing much? Do you miss eating Giraffes or zebras? We have an abundance of everything else-- why do we always have to go for what is prohibited? Be that as it may-- you can get a series of worms that can set shop anywhere from ANY meat you eat, it is true-- but a B12 deficiency from Diphyllobothrium latum from a fish hardly compares to Neurocystericosis whatever the percentage!

peace
 
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