George Bush talks faith

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Greetings and peace be with you all,
"I think anyone who murders to achieve their religious objective is not a religious person," he said. "They may think they're religious, and they play like they're religious, but I don't think they're religious. They are not praying to the God I pray to ... the God of peace and love."
He also said that going to war in Iraq "was not a religious decision."

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If going to war was not a religious decision, what then did he base his decision on?

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you all,


If going to war was not a religious decision, what then did he base his decision on?

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
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I would say it was based on national security concerns, faulty intelligence included.

When the president's CIA director bounces into the office and states that the case for WMD in Iraq is a "slam dunk", you would have to have some pretty credible evidence pointing in the other direction to change course. I'm referring to George Tenet of course, and one can find that statement of his all over the internet.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you all,


If going to war was not a religious decision, what then did he base his decision on?

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
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Did you think Bush's decision to go to war WAS based on religion?
 
"I think anyone who murders to achieve their religious objective is not a religious person," he said. "They may think they're religious, and they play like they're religious, but I don't think they're religious. They are not praying to the God I pray to ... the God of peace and love."
He also said that going to war in Iraq "was not a religious decision."
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read it again! OF COURSE his decision to "MURDER TO ACHIEVE HIS RELIGIOUS OBJECTIVES" "was not a religious decision!" just cold hearted murder!

he may think he's religious, and he may play like he's religious, but i don't think he's religious!

actually, you could consider it relgious, the religion of SHAYTAN!


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of course, with apologies to Keltoi...
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I thought he said Gold had told him to go to war.
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Bush may be delusional, but I don't think he's gotten to the stage where he believes metal is talking to him just yet.:p

As for the OP, I don't think pleasing God is the first thing on Bush's list of priorities...:rollseyes
 
Source: UPI

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 (UPI) -- Likely Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told her church congregation that the Iraq war was part of God's plan, a videotape revealed.

A 14-minute video of a speech the Alaska governor delivered in June to the Wasilla, Alaska, Assembly of God Church and posted Tuesday on the Huffington Post Web site showed her saying the United States' involvement in Iraq is "a task that is from God."

She is seen saying: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending (troops) out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

In the speech, she tells the congregation that building a long-sought, 1,715-mile natural gas pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, Alaska to Alberta, Canada, is also part of God's plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3468269
 
Reason #1: Oil (Iraq)
Reason #2: Uranium (Afghanistan)

I don't see religion, God, or anything else involved. All the weapons of mass destruction, terrorism and "faulty intelligence" were one big coverup.
 
mohsen1985 said:
Reason #1: Oil (Iraq)
Reason #2: Uranium (Afghanistan)

I don't see religion, God, or anything else involved. All the weapons of mass destruction, terrorism and "faulty intelligence" were one big coverup.
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Or maybe:
Reason #1 (Iraq). Saddam was one of the most evil dictators in the world.
He was directly responsible for over a million people dieing.
He had most of the world believe he had WMD.
He would no comply with the agreements he made at the end of Gulf War I.
He tried to assonate a standing president of the United States.

Reason #2: (Afghanistan).
The Taliban terrorized there own people and supported and defended a group who declared war on the United States and made multiple attacks on its interest culminating to an attack the killed almost 3000 civilians.


My stance:
I don’t think it is in the best interest of the United States to turn a blind eye to any group that wages war on us and kills our civilians. To take no action against those who harbor and protect those who are at war against us seams to me to invite more of the same.

I did not nor do I support any action that is taking place in Iraq. But to accept any reason that makes Bush/America look evil and ignore all reasons that give any validation to Bush’s actions, in my opinion, can only be the result of one sided bias thinking.
 
Wilma_Hum said:
Or maybe:
Reason #1 (Iraq). Saddam was one of the most evil dictators in the world.
He was directly responsible for over a million people dieing.
He had most of the world believe he had WMD.
He would no comply with the agreements he made at the end of Gulf War I.
He tried to assonate a standing president of the United States.

Reason #2: (Afghanistan).
The Taliban terrorized there own people and supported and defended a group who declared war on the United States and made multiple attacks on its interest culminating to an attack the killed almost 3000 civilians.


My stance:
I don’t think it is in the best interest of the United States to turn a blind eye to any group that wages war on us and kills our civilians. To take no action against those who harbor and protect those who are at war against us seams to me to invite more of the same.

I did not nor do I support any action that is taking place in Iraq. But to accept any reason that makes Bush/America look evil and ignore all reasons that give any validation to Bush’s actions, in my opinion, can only be the result of one sided bias thinking.
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I find it really really hard to believe that a bunch of people living in Afghanistan with a couple of AK47s have the brains and the tools to pull off something like 9/11.

They claimed they've found a couple of abandoned cars with Microsoft Flight Simulator packages in them parked near the airport. I was in NYC when all this happened and I'm well informed of everything. I have a cousin, crazy about airplanes and becoming a pilot, who used that software for ages, and now that he's in flight school he can hardly fly a small 6 passenger 1 engine plane. Come on now, how could've they learned to fly a gigantic complex commercial airplane like that? No noob can navigate an airplane into a building like that.

You might say they were tall buildings and it was easy to crash a plane into them. What about the plane that crashed into the pentagon? It takes very precise navigations to do that, certainly not the job of someone who used flight simulator. The navigation system, precise banking, adjusting the speed, adjusting the decline speed. Watch some landing videos of airplanes, even the pros are off by a noticable distance when landing. This was certainly not the job of a noob non-pilot.

The taliban didn't kill 3000 civilians. Even if they did, bush killed tens of thousands of civilians, and don't expect to see these numbers in NY1, fox5, CNN, BBC or any other news channel.

Most of the world SUPPLIED those WMD to saddam. They have track of everything they gave him, what he used, where he stored them, and even the parts of Iran saddam targeted with those weapons. Don't tell me they're THAT stupid to just ship off bombs and missiles to saddam and not keep records of what he's been supplied with.

And who was saddam a greater threat to? Iran or USA? Did he share borders with Iran or USA? Imagine if Iran said something like: saddam's a great threat to us, he's attacked us before and we fear he'll do it again, so we'll go into war with them. Wouldn't the entire world rise up against Iran? saddam's gone anyway, why won't they take their troops out? And all that faulty intelligence is one big childish lie. Only an idiot would fall for such a lie. What, the "World power" with all its advanced technology, sattelites, and see-through-walls-cameras and scanners couldn't see into a couple of warehouses? Hah.

israel is killing thousand of innocent people, why won't USA take actions against them? AND they got nuclear wepoans. So who's the greater threat here? Saddam or israel? Plus, how could saddam attack USA? Put all his WMD in a big ship and head off to USA and bomb them? The worst he could do is shoot something in a 500 km distance.

Who wouldn't try and assassinate a US president? What's with all the bodyguards and security when they go off to other countries? What's with all the protests as a welcome? What would make saddam any different?

So what can you conclude from all this? That USA wants to be the evil world dictator and kills anyone who stands in their way. They want to protect themselves from their enemies? Do it in your own land, the place where it's a 14 hour flight from where their troops are now.
 
mohsen1985 said:
I find it really really hard to believe that a bunch of people living in Afghanistan with a couple of AK47s have the brains and the tools to pull off something like 9/11.

They claimed they've found a couple of abandoned cars with Microsoft Flight Simulator packages in them parked near the airport. I was in NYC when all this happened and I'm well informed of everything. I have a cousin, crazy about airplanes and becoming a pilot, who used that software for ages, and now that he's in flight school he can hardly fly a small 6 passenger 1 engine plane. Come on now, how could've they learned to fly a gigantic complex commercial airplane like that? No noob can navigate an airplane into a building like that.

You might say they were tall buildings and it was easy to crash a plane into them. What about the plane that crashed into the pentagon? It takes very precise navigations to do that, certainly not the job of someone who used flight simulator. The navigation system, precise banking, adjusting the speed, adjusting the decline speed. Watch some landing videos of airplanes, even the pros are off by a noticable distance when landing. This was certainly not the job of a noob non-pilot.

The taliban didn't kill 3000 civilians. Even if they did, bush killed tens of thousands of civilians, and don't expect to see these numbers in NY1, fox5, CNN, BBC or any other news channel.

Most of the world SUPPLIED those WMD to saddam. They have track of everything they gave him, what he used, where he stored them, and even the parts of Iran saddam targeted with those weapons. Don't tell me they're THAT stupid to just ship off bombs and missiles to saddam and not keep records of what he's been supplied with.

And who was saddam a greater threat to? Iran or USA? Did he share borders with Iran or USA? Imagine if Iran said something like: saddam's a great threat to us, he's attacked us before and we fear he'll do it again, so we'll go into war with them. Wouldn't the entire world rise up against Iran? saddam's gone anyway, why won't they take their troops out? And all that faulty intelligence is one big childish lie. Only an idiot would fall for such a lie. What, the "World power" with all its advanced technology, sattelites, and see-through-walls-cameras and scanners couldn't see into a couple of warehouses? Hah.

israel is killing thousand of innocent people, why won't USA take actions against them? AND they got nuclear wepoans. So who's the greater threat here? Saddam or israel? Plus, how could saddam attack USA? Put all his WMD in a big ship and head off to USA and bomb them? The worst he could do is shoot something in a 500 km distance.

Who wouldn't try and assassinate a US president? What's with all the bodyguards and security when they go off to other countries? What's with all the protests as a welcome? What would make saddam any different?

So what can you conclude from all this? That USA wants to be the evil world dictator and kills anyone who stands in their way. They want to protect themselves from their enemies? Do it in your own land, the place where it's a 14 hour flight from where their troops are now.
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You want to ignore a million facts and believe the CIA did it.
Fine.
 
Wilma_Hum said:
Or maybe:
Reason #1 (Iraq). Saddam was one of the most evil dictators in the world.

yes, but his sponsor was the US.

He was directly responsible for over a million people dieing.

most of his killing he did for the US

He had most of the world believe he had WMD.

OF COURSE we believed he had WMDs, we GAVE them to him!

He would no comply with the agreements he made at the end of Gulf War I.
He tried to assonate a standing president of the United States.

don't believe everything you here from a 50+ year CIA man...

Reason #2: (Afghanistan).
The Taliban terrorized there own people and supported and defended a group who declared war on the United States and made multiple attacks on its interest culminating to an attack the killed almost 3000 civilians.

what evidence do you have for that? the Taliban offered to deal with him if they were provided with some evidence!


My stance:
I don’t think it is in the best interest of the United States to turn a blind eye to any group that wages war on us and kills our civilians. To take no action against those who harbor and protect those who are at war against us seams to me to invite more of the same.

much like the gulf of Tonkin, we have been lied to in order for the MEGA corporations to reap proffits!

it is believed that MORE people will die because Bush had the EPA LIE and say that the environment in NY was safe...

I did not nor do I support any action that is taking place in Iraq. But to accept any reason that makes Bush/America look evil and ignore all reasons that give any validation to Bush’s actions, in my opinion, can only be the result of one sided bias thinking

you needed to learn more about false flag operations and especially the history of the Bush family. Papa Bush was in on the Kennedy assassination and Grandpa Prescott funded the NAZIs before and DURING WWII! grandpa also groomed one Richard M Nixon!
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You want to ignore a million facts and believe the CIA did it.
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here's one FACT: Usama bin Laden IS on the FBI's most wanted list, HOWEVER he is NOT wanted for 9/11/01!

why? because the FBI has NO SOLID EVIDENCE that he was involved in 9/11/01!

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

we won't even mention that over 1/3 of the "hijackers" are STILL ALIVE!!

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YusufNoor said:
here's one FACT: Usama bin Laden IS on the FBI's most wanted list, HOWEVER he is NOT wanted for 9/99/01!
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And I should think not, respectable organisations like the CIA would without a doubt accept the 12-month calendar rather than these newfangled hundred-month ones!
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George Bush is definateley talking somethig, dont think its faith tho :D
 
These threads tend to be such a waste of time. "George Bush is a saint. No, Bush is the devil." I believe Bin Ladin did 911 as his son said he did it. Just because someone lives in a cave does not make them stupid. Also even if Bin Laden did 9/11 still does not justify killing civilians in Afganistan. I believe George Bush is a Radical Christian.
 

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