Mumbai – Islam's Reputation is at Stake - Sh. Salman al-Oadah

[Grace Seeker]

I think it is worth noting that terrorism is primarily a political tool. Yes, it is about murder, death, and carnage, but it is normally meant to serve a political ideology. Of course it can't be ignored that the religion of Islam has been hijacked by many as a justification for their terrorism, but I think that relationship is one of convenience by and large. What better propoganda tool to find new recruits than to wrap your political ideology with a blanket of religion?

I do believe there is a problem within Islam when it comes to terrorism, but I also have sympathy for the average everyday Muslim who watches his or her religion being connected with acts of unspeakable barbarity.

This is why I think that Woodrow is right in saying that it doesn't matter if these particular people were Muslim or not, it isn't about whether or not Muslims do behave this way, it is about whether or not Muslims are perceived to behave this way. Against such perception, Muslims who genuinely care about their faith need to say that this, this terrible political act you see, IS NOT genuine Islam. If you have done this in the name of Islam, it is wrong. If you have done this to serve political ends and you are a Muslim, that end does not justify this means. And if you are not a Muslim but are trying to do this as a false flag manuever, we reject that as well because it is an entirely unIslamic act and therefore we reject that it represents who and what the Ummah is. Even if you have not done this, but you are thinking that you love to see someone get their "just desserts", even the very thought is not in keeping with the true practice of Islam where we not only greet our brothers and sisters in Islam, but our brothers and sisters in humanity with the words "Salam". That is not just a phrase with no meaning, to truly be submissive to Allah, one must sincrely wish Salam on all whom you meet and greet. One cannot do that in one breath and then tacitly accept these sorts of terroristic activities in the next.

To put it in the market terminology of our day, it is about protecting one's brand. Just as you and I as Christians on this board have said that Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Crusades, the KKK, or bombings of abortion clinics don't represent a genuine Christian worldview so too Woodrow and other Muslims are declaring that terrorism does not represent a genuine Islamic worldview and are calling on all other Muslims to join them in declaring it to the world and hold one another accountable for the same. I commend such a practice.

 

[Amadeus85]

I have read today in local newspaper interesting explanation of these Mumbai attacks.
The pakistan taleban groups organized that attack because they expected that afterwards India would attack Pakistan. Then Pakistan would move 100 000 os their soldiers from their border with Afghanista (where they fight with talebans). It would be very dagnerous for Nato armies fighting in Afghanistan. But however, as we can see, USA convnced India not to attack Pakistan.

 

[islamirama]

From Jewish Complex to Mumbai Terror


“By way of deception, thou shalt do war,” - Motto of Israel’s Mossad.

Going through the reoprts from several mass-media outlets - it’s coming to light what really happened inside the Jewish complex (Nariman House) run by extremist Zionist Jews - Chabad Lubavitch movement.

Arun Asthahana, an Indian journalist told Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) that “some of the militants involved in Mumbai terror attacks had stayed at Nariman House for upto 15 days before the attack. These terrorists posing as students (remember Israeli Arts students ahead of 9/11) from Malaysia, had a huge mass of ammunition, and arms. Now the question is why Israeli Jews running the complex would give lodging to these unkown ‘Muslim’ students?”

Several other newspapers’ reports on what role the Jewish complex played during several weeks before deadly attacks on hotels, railway station and several other places in Mumbai on November 26.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/from-jewish-complex-to-mumbai-terror/
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[Qingu]

From Jewish Complex to Mumbai Terror


“By way of deception, thou shalt do war,” - Motto of Israel’s Mossad.

Going through the reoprts from several mass-media outlets - it’s coming to light what really happened inside the Jewish complex (Nariman House) run by extremist Zionist Jews - Chabad Lubavitch movement.

Arun Asthahana, an Indian journalist told Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) that “some of the militants involved in Mumbai terror attacks had stayed at Nariman House for upto 15 days before the attack. These terrorists posing as students (remember Israeli Arts students ahead of 9/11) from Malaysia, had a huge mass of ammunition, and arms. Now the question is why Israeli Jews running the complex would give lodging to these unkown ‘Muslim’ students?”

Several other newspapers’ reports on what role the Jewish complex played during several weeks before deadly attacks on hotels, railway station and several other places in Mumbai on November 26.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/from-jewish-complex-to-mumbai-terror/
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It all makes sense now. Obviously this is all a Jewish conspiracy. The shooters were all Jews pretending to be Muslims!

So now Muslims like yourself don't even need to confront terrorism done in the name of your religion. You can just say it's all a conspiracy and continue in your safe belief that people who self-identify as Muslims can do no wrong.

 

[Woodrow]

From Jewish Complex to Mumbai Terror


“By way of deception, thou shalt do war,” - Motto of Israel’s Mossad.

Going through the reoprts from several mass-media outlets - it’s coming to light what really happened inside the Jewish complex (Nariman House) run by extremist Zionist Jews - Chabad Lubavitch movement.

Arun Asthahana, an Indian journalist told Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) that “some of the militants involved in Mumbai terror attacks had stayed at Nariman House for upto 15 days before the attack. These terrorists posing as students (remember Israeli Arts students ahead of 9/11) from Malaysia, had a huge mass of ammunition, and arms. Now the question is why Israeli Jews running the complex would give lodging to these unkown ‘Muslim’ students?”

Several other newspapers’ reports on what role the Jewish complex played during several weeks before deadly attacks on hotels, railway station and several other places in Mumbai on November 26.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/from-jewish-complex-to-mumbai-terror/
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Could be true, could be false. That is the problem with theory, no matter how much evidence is presented, they will not be accepted, except by those who desire to accept them.

The truth of the matter is, we must openly condemn terrorism at every chance. The message needs to be loud enough and said often enough, Islam condemns terrorists and terrorism has no place in Islam. Until people can see we sincerely mean that, it is pointless to attempt to show any terrorist is not a Muslim.

Too many people believe we support terrorism and praise terrorists. We need to condemn terrorists, no matter who they claim to serve. Only when we prove to the world that we despise terrorist, will people believe us when we show evidence an act was not done by a Muslim.

 

[Qingu]

I also agree. Many who are caught up in terrorism sincerely desire to be good Muslims and firmly do believe they are right. In many ways they could have become our finest examples of Islam if they had not been mislead. Their courage and sincerity in doing right is very admirable.

Can you explain what you mean by "their courage and sincerity in doing right is very admirable"? You are referring to the shooters, right?

Actually I am saying:

"No Muslim could ever do these acts, and while groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and al-Qaeda may think they are Muslim, they are actually disgraces against Islam and should be blatantly told by all Muslims they are not following Islam and unless they change they should be prosecuted under Sharia Law as traitors to Islam. "

Again, this statement confuses me.

Are you saying that al-Qaida and other terrorist groups should only surrender to Shariah law governments? (As opposed to, for example, the governments of Pakistan and Afghanistan, or Iraq, or the U.S. government?)

And which governments would those be? Saudi Arabia and Iran? Other forum members have told me they don't believe there are any true Shariah Law countries and that, for example, Saudi Arabia is some sort of perversion of the actual law. Do you agree? And does that effectively mean that these groups shouldn't surrender at all?

 

[islamirama]

The truth of the matter is, we must openly condemn terrorism at every chance. The message needs to be loud enough and said often enough, Islam condemns terrorists and terrorism has no place in Islam. Until people can see we sincerely mean that, it is pointless to attempt to show any terrorist is not a Muslim.

Truth of the matter is that there are many evil things and acts of terrorism done in by anti-islam elements to blame Muslims and Islam. Yes,we have some astray Muslims who do evil things but the enemies of Islam group these astray Muslims and their organizations with legitimate freedom fights as one big group of extremists and terrorists. Truth of the matter is that Muslims today are cowards with no intelligence or self-esteem and accept what their western Masters impose on them rather then question the lies and propaganda and terrorism done and blamed on Muslims. People like Japense government and other prominent non-Muslims are questions US versions of stories related to terrorism like 9-11 and london and what not while the ignorant weak minded and low self-esteem muslims accept their master's version and dismiss anything else as "consipracy therories." Until Muslims stand up and grow a backbone and stand up to imperialism of the west and start being independent, we'll continue to be labed as "terrorist" while the enemies of Islam continue their terrorism in our name.

"No Muslim could ever do these acts, and while groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and al-Qaeda may think they are Muslim, they are actually disgraces against Islam and should be blatantly told by all Muslims they are not following Islam and unless they change they should be prosecuted under Sharia Law as traitors to Islam. ".

What do you mean they "may think they are Musim"? They ARE Muslims. Muslims are not sinless and all pure. A muslim can be a bad muslim and a muslim can be a sinner. It is easy for those sitting in the west reading western papers to believe the trash that comes out about other Muslims. It's quite sad to see some muslims on this forum being either so blind or naive to think every act of violence done in the name of Islam or by "muslims" is not necessarily done by them.

 

[Woodrow]

Truth of the matter is that there are many evil things and acts of terrorism done in by anti-islam elements to blame Muslims and Islam. Yes,we have some astray Muslims who do evil things but the enemies of Islam group these astray Muslims and their organizations with legitimate freedom fights as one big group of extremists and terrorists. Truth of the matter is that Muslims today are cowards with no intelligence or self-esteem and accept what their western Masters impose on them rather then question the lies and propaganda and terrorism done and blamed on Muslims. People like Japense government and other prominent non-Muslims are questions US versions of stories related to terrorism like 9-11 and london and what not while the ignorant weak minded and low self-esteem muslims accept their master's version and dismiss anything else as "consipracy therories." Until Muslims stand up and grow a backbone and stand up to imperialism of the west and start being independent, we'll continue to be labed as "terrorist" while the enemies of Islam continue their terrorism in our name.

There are many non-Muslim who are terrorists. I personaly believe they are in the majority. Our problem is not that non-Muslims are terrorists, our problem is we need to speak out against all terrorism. If we speak out only against the acts done by non-Muslims, or worse try to emphasise them as being typical of non-Muslims, we would be no better than the media that is doing that to us.

We need to rise above the media and show we condemn all acts of Terrorism.

What do you mean they "may think they are Musim"? They ARE Muslims. Muslims are not sinless and all pure. A muslim can be a bad muslim and a muslim can be a sinner. It is easy for those sitting in the west reading western papers to believe the trash that comes out about other Muslims. It's quite sad to see some muslims on this forum being either so blind or naive to think every act of violence done in the name of Islam or by "muslims" is not necessarily done by them.

I stand corrected. You are right. And I do agree that many if not most acts of terrorism are done by non-Muslims. But, to correct the media we must openly condemn all terrorism. We must speak openly that we will not condone terrorism and not dwell over if the terrorists are Muslim or non-Muslim. We need to show we are against terrorism. We need to show that terrorism is the act of terrorists, not the act of Muslim or non-Muslim.

 

[islamirama]

There are many non-Muslim who are terrorists. I personaly believe they are in the majority. Our problem is not that non-Muslims are terrorists, our problem is we need to speak out against all terrorism. If we speak out only against the acts done by non-Muslims, or worse try to emphasise them as being typical of non-Muslims, we would be no better than the media that is doing that to us.

We need to rise above the media and show we condemn all acts of Terrorism.

I agree with you that we need to condemn all acts of terrorism no matter by whom they are done. We also need to start doing our own independent investigations into these terrorist acts done by "muslims" to bring the real terrorists to justice and to show the world what kind of elements are behind this.

 

[Qingu]

Islamaram, what is your opinion of groups like Lakshar-e-Taiba and al-Qaida?

You seemed to imply they are "bad Muslims." Why do you think this? Because in other posts you have implied that they're not actually responsible for acts of terrorism.

 

[Yanal]

This is insanse but true Muslims should build their religion strong in India so Muslims do not get blamed hope everything turns out right AmeeN.