Somali millitants destroy Churches, graves.

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Somali fighters destroying shrines Al-Shabab, an armed group fighting transitional government and Ethiopian forces in Somalia, is desecrating religious shrines in the south of the country, Al Jazeera has learned.
The ancient graves of clerics and other prominent people are among holy sites being targeted by the armed group in the port city of Kismayo.

Al-Shabab took control of Somalia's third-largest city about four months ago and quickly announced it would not tolerate anything it deemed un-Islamic.

Al Jazeera correspondent Mohammed Adow said Kismayo's Roman Catholic church was torn down just days after they seized power through bloody fighting.

"The 60-year-old church had not been used for nearly 20 years and not a single Christian lives in the city - but that was not a good enough reason for the militias to spare the building, he said."
"They are planning to replace it with a mosque."
Graves targeted

The fighters then turned their hammers on graves, some of which contained the remains of followers of Sufi, a mystical form of Islam.

The sites have been revered for decades and are regularly visited by people paying homage to the dead, a practice al-Shabab has condemned as being akin to idolatry.

"We are a chosen lot by Allah to try and correct the mystics of the people and guide them," Hassan Yaqub, a spokesman for the Kismayo administration, told Al Jazeera.
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"We have a responsibility to the people to guard the people against all evil deeds."

In Marka, another coastal town in the south of the country, Al Jazeera witnessed the public implementation of Sharia, or Islamic law.

Three men accused of smoking hashish were given a public flogging before the al-Shabab fighters set fire to the drugs that were purportedly found when the men were arrested.

Such practices have become more frequent as al-Shabab has increased its influence across southern and central Somalia, taking back many of the areas which were formerly controlled by the Islamic Courts Union until late 2006.

In October, a 13-year-old girl was reportedly stoned to death in Kismayo after she was found guilty of adultery.

The UN later said that she had been raped.

Last month, 32 people were whipped for taking part in a traditional dance in the town of Balad, about 30km north of the capital Mogadishu.

Public support

The crowds which were made to witness the flogging in Marka appeared to be overwhelmingly supportive of the new measures being taken by the new Islamist authorities.

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Graves and churches destroyed

"We support their efforts 100 per cent. The establishment of Sharia is a source of joy for us all," one resident told Al Jazeera.
Another said: "We are happy with the Islamists, we now have peace and the criminals have nowhere to hide."

Somalia has had no effective government since a coup removed Siad Barre from power in 1991, leading to an almost total breakdown in law and order.

The only relative stability areas of the country have enjoyed in recent years was during the short period of rule by the Islamic Courts Union in 2006.

"For the Somali people the choice is really a very difficult one ... which one would they want to live with, a strict sharia or a situation with no security," Billow Kerrow, a Kenya-based regional analyst, told Al Jazeera.

"I think in the beginning they might find it easier to implement a very strict code of Islam, but as the government responsibilities start setting in the challenges will be enormous ... to try and practice a system which will be accommodating to all."
Source: Al-Jazeera
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1. So much for Somalia being a 100% Muslim country. Why would they have Churches there if it was 100% Muslim?

2. If people don't like Churches or shrines then they have a right not to build them. But not to demolish other people's religious sites and whip them! I hope whoever they send to deal with the pirates also squashes these insects as well.

3. Islamic Courts Union is apparently against these guys, they fought recently.
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Source: Al-Jazeera
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1. So much for Somalia being a 100% Muslim country. Why would they have Churches there if it was 100% Muslim?

2. If people don't like Churches or shrines then they have a right not to build them. But not to demolish other people's religious sites and whip them! I hope whoever they send to deal with the pirates also squashes these insects as well.

3. Islamic Courts Union is apparently against these guys, they fought recently.
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The Churches were build by the Italians, as for Al-Shabaab, these men are the true definition of extremists, ignorant extremists. All they want is war, war, war. Yesterday they said they will fight oppression in Chile, Alaska, Iceland and some other peaceful countries. What oppression is there in those countries. :blind:
 
when Jerusalem was conquered, no churches, synagogues nor any place of worship was destroyed. Christians are people of the book, and are alloed to practice their religion
 
if no christians lived there whats the big deal... it will be turned into a mosque which people can actually use. as for the destruction of muslim graves. we dont know the whole story...perhaps people were falling into bid'ah and they did good if they destroyed em
 
whats the problem? they took down a church which NOBODY is using, and there are NO Christians in the town, so whats the use of having it up there?

as for destroying the grave, it seems ppl were going to this grave and commiting the bidah of worshiping at it, which is one of the worst sins, hence they did something good by getting rid of this, for instance if u see something completely evil which can lead to hell, will you not remove this harm? offcourse you will.
 
oh and as for the stoning of the little girl i coulda sworn i read somewhere she confessed and asked for the punishment. imma try and find the link
 
oh and as for the stoning of the little girl i coulda sworn i read somewhere she confessed and asked for the punishment. imma try and find the link

Sadly, that never was the case. Her family members including her father said the girl was 13, and was a rape victim. Al-Shabab spokesman claimed that the girl made those confessions.
 
still, why destroy the church, its part of the cultural heritage of Somalia, when the Muslim conquered Asia, they didnt destroyed the budha statues etc
 
There is an ever decreasing number of Christians in Somalia because of the treatment they have been receiving from Muslims. Some have been forced to convert to Islam, many killed.
 
There is an ever decreasing number of Christians in Somalia because of the treatment they have been receiving from Muslims. Some have been forced to convert to Islam, many killed.

Are these so called Christian Somalis any different from the thousands of Muslim Somalis that are being killed by other Muslim Somalis for the past 18 years?

As far as i am concerned Al-Shabab is no different that any other armed group in Somalia, they find it very easy to kill fellow Somali Muslims. imsad
 
There is an ever decreasing number of Christians in Somalia because of the treatment they have been receiving from Muslims. Some have been forced to convert to Islam, many killed.

dont forget to mention alot of Somali Muslims have been oppressed by Ethopian Christians, when they invaded Somalia with the support of the USA to forcefully remove the Islamic courts, hence dont make it seem one way traffic, Christians have done their fare share of oppression to Somalis.
 
whats the problem? they took down a church which NOBODY is using, and there are NO Christians in the town, so whats the use of having it up there?
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Yes, good idea. Maybe we should go into Egypt and take down those pryramids too, nobody's using them! After all, they were built by the Pharaoh, much worse than the Christians. :skeleton:



as for destroying the grave, it seems ppl were going to this grave and commiting the bidah of worshiping at it, which is one of the worst sins, hence they did something good by getting rid of this, for instance if u see something completely evil which can lead to hell, will you not remove this harm? offcourse you will
Wether worshipping at graves is Bidah or not is debateable. Just not on this site. But it is a simple fact that these millitants are repressing people's religious freedom. Would you support knocking down Shia Mosques? I suspect not...
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Yes, good idea. Maybe we should go into Egpyt and take done those pryramids too, nobody's using them! After all, they were built by the Pharaoh, much worse than the Christians. :skeleton:




Wether worshipping at graves is Bidah or not is debateable. Just not on this site. But it is a simple fact that these millitants are repressing people's religious freedom. Would you support knocking down Shia Mosques? I suspect not...
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Rather than make a one-sided judgement with a few media repoerts - why don't you give these brothers the benefit of the doubt?. "Seek 70 excsuses for your Muslim brother" is a quote I hear sometimes - did you seek one for their actions?, if so please list it. Actually list the 70 if you like. You've never met them or heard things first hand from them - just reports. You've gotta know what atrocities Ethiopian Christains have done to these people and what that would do to a community's mindset. Just like Muslims committing suicide in Gitmo when Islam forbids suicide.

Maybe they removed the building because a mosque WAS needed there and the church's foundations were strong and already in place. I don't think Somalia is a very wealthy country - so perhaps they were in dire need. In Islam where there is a need it overriides the general rule e.g. if your stuck in a desert with a rescue chopper radioed in at 5 days away and you need a drink to live and all there is is hogs around you then maybe the blood/flesh of swine is what you need.

If no-one worshipped there for 20 years I doubt someone is gonna pull up on Sunday next week and start a hoo-haa about having a sermon etc.

Check out the facts first Insh'Allah.
 
Rather than make a one-sided judgement with a few media repoerts - why don't you give these brothers the benefit of the doubt?. "Seek 70 excsuses for your Muslim brother" is a quote I hear sometimes - did you seek one for their actions?, if so please list it. Actually list the 70 if you like. You've never met them or heard things first hand from them - just reports. You've gotta know what atrocities Ethiopian Christains have done to these people and what that would do to a community's mindset. Just like Muslims committing suicide in Gitmo when Islam forbids suicide.

Maybe they removed the building because a mosque WAS needed there and the church's foundations were strong and already in place. I don't think Somalia is a very wealthy country - so perhaps they were in dire need. In Islam where there is a need it overriides the general rule e.g. if your stuck in a desert with a rescue chopper radioed in at 5 days away and you need a drink to live and all there is is hogs around you then maybe the blood/flesh of swine is what you need.

If no-one worshipped there for 20 years I doubt someone is gonna pull up on Sunday next week and start a hoo-haa about having a sermon etc.

Check out the facts first Insh'Allah.
Why would you seek even 1 excuse if the act is inexcusable? When christians blow up abortion clinics I don't look for excuses I look for culpability and punishment.
 
may Allah assist them in doing what is right, keep them sincere and save them from evil.
 
all the media is up in arms and muslims line up to apologise for Islam when an empty building, which is in ruins, is destroyed. But no international media reports AND no Muslims line up on ALjazeera when Ethiopia militia occupy nearly every masjid in Muqdisho, us them as military bases, prevent people from worshipping or butcher Islamic scholars to death.
 
all the media is up in arms and muslims line up to apologise for Islam when an empty building, which is in ruins, is destroyed. But no international media reports AND no Muslims line up on ALjazeera when Ethiopia militia occupy nearly every masjid in Muqdisho, us them as military bases, prevent people from worshipping or butcher Islamic scholars to death.
Is it ok to tear down every mosque that's in disrepair? If it is empty is it no longer a holy site?
 
1. So much for Somalia being a 100% Muslim country. Why would they have Churches there if it was 100% Muslim?

:sl: It was left over from the Italian colonizers, mainly in the capital city of Mogadishu.
 
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