Scores die in Israeli air strikes

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Whatsthepoint said:
They can do anything that doesn't involve rocketing or in any other way attacking Israel. Why don't they strike, boycott etc, what they did during the intifadas. Civil disobedience works.

Prove it is illegal.
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Are you serious? Boycott what?!, they've been blockaded for over a year, there's nothing left to boycott!!
 
north_malaysian said:
I've watched ART (Arab Radio Television) channel this morning and they're playing Patriotic Arab Unity video clips..... maybe because of what is happening in Gaza...

Arab/Muslim unity? At the present state, "ARab/Muslim unity" is like having a snow in my country...imsad
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I pray that every leader in the Arab world who can do something about this and chooses to watch safely in the sidelines gets a worse punishment in the afterlife than the Israelis bombing Gaza.
 
They can elect a party that won't spent most of its time trying to fight and annihilate a vastly superior state and will focus on the well being of the people living in the current Palestinian territories instead.
 
Aaron85 said:
Actually according to tv news, 80 Hamas members were killed, the rest were civilians. On tv thez also said that since last 2 weeks Arabs keep firing long distance rockets at Israeli cities and over 70% of Jews in Israel wanted strong reaction and blamed the israeli goverment on lack of reaction.
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I hope this is strong enough for them.:)
 
crayon said:
Yup, bad luck.
I guess the only solution left is to die smiling and thanking Israel for their kindness.:)
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Not at all.
What I'm suggesting is that they realize that there is very little chance Israel will cease to exist in the next 5 years, so they can spent that time fixing relations with it and the rest of the chekpoint-opening and charity-giving world and and at the same time do something about the economy, education etc.
 
The_Prince said:
notice folks, more than 200 palis killed, mostly civillians, and the kaffirs of this forum are saying oh well they had it comming,
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I'm not sure if I am included in that description but I would like to know from anyone here who supports Hamas, what does Hamas want to achieve?

I am starting to wonder whether Hamas is pursuing a policy that is best for the Palestinian people or whether it is just following orders from Tehran?
 
Ramlah said:
the flippin Israelis shouldn't even be there to even begin! whats stopping them from gettin out of a place they dont belong in, in the first place. if they stay there illegilly, then serves them right!
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I think this is the view taken by Hamas etc., and I'd very much like to know what the argument is to suggest that Jews should not be living in Israel/Palestine/Judea or whatever else you call that area?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Not at all.
What I'm suggesting is that they realize that there is very little chance Israel will cease to exist in the next 5 years, so they can spent that time fixing relations with it and the rest of the chekpoint-opening and charity-giving world and and at the same time do something about the economy, education etc.
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And when should this start? Now? After Israel has killed almost 300 Palestinians, most of whom are civilians?
 
Well if we're going to go use if's...

If Israel had not been created in the first place, Palestine would be whole.
 
crayon said:
Well if we're going to go use if's...

If Israel had not been created in the first place, Palestine would be whole.
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Yep.
But now after 60 years have passed, one of the parties should change strategy.
I know it must suck to fight for 60 years without any considerable success and admit defeat, but this is what they should do.
 
Say Palestinians did agree to a 2 state solution, hypothetically; and then what? Do you sincerely believe that that will be enough for Israel? Do you sincerely believe that they will not want more land? (not rhetorical questions, i really want to know)
 
crayon said:
Say Palestinians did agree to a 2 state solution, hypothetically; and then what? Do you sincerely believe that that will be enough for Israel? Do you sincerely believe that they will not want more land? (not rhetorical questions, i really want to know)
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I believe the majority of Israelis are supportive of the 2 state solution.
And even if they should change their mind someday in the future, Palestine will be an independent country then and if they stop attacking their neighbor, Israel won't have any just reason to claim any further land.
The 2 state contract should prevent it anyway.
Palestine should be assigned with international guardians in case Israel starts an unprovoked attack.
Naturally, the definition of provoked may cause a lot of trouble down there.
 
Alaa inna nasrullahi qareeb :cry: :cry:
 
crayon said:
Say Palestinians did agree to a 2 state solution, hypothetically; and then what? Do you sincerely believe that that will be enough for Israel? Do you sincerely believe that they will not want more land? (not rhetorical questions, i really want to know)
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A lot of Israelis have similiar thoughts. If we give away Gaza and the West Bank, Palis will think they won the battle, they'll want more and more until they will push us into the sea.
That's me imitating Israeli thoughts.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I believe the majority of Israelis are supportive of the 2 state solution.
And even if they should change their mind someday in the future, Palestine will be an independent country then and if they stop attacking their neighbor, Israel won't have any just reason to claim any further land.
The 2 state contract should prevent it anyway.
Palestine should be assigned with international guardians in case Israel starts an unprovoked attack.
Naturally, the definition of provoked may cause a lot of trouble down there.
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Unfortunately, most of the time it's the governments opinion that matters. I have no doubt in my mind that even if the 2 state solution is accepted by palestinians, israel will still try to gain control of the rest of the area.
Israel didn't have any valid reason to claim palestine the first time round either, that didn't stop it from doing it.
As for international guardians... If Israel attacks the official state of Palestine, do you really think the US or the rest of its allies will fight against it?
 
crayon said:
Unfortunately, most of the time it's the governments opinion that matters. I have no doubt in my mind that even if the 2 state solution is accepted by palestinians, israel will still try to gain control of the rest of the area.
Israel didn't have any valid reason to claim palestine the first time round either, that didn't stop it from doing it.
As for international guardians... If Israel attacks the official state of Palestine, do you really think the US or the rest of its allies will fight against it?
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What do you propose the Palestinians should do then?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
A lot of Israelis have similiar thoughts. If we give away Gaza and the West Bank, Palis will think they won the battle, they'll want more and more until they will push us into the sea.
That's me imitating Israeli thoughts.
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But there are a main difference since Israel is occupying land that does not belong to them. So "give away" is not the right expression but withdraw their occupation forces from another nations land. They have no right to even be there. So pack up the moving trucks and leave both the Gaza and West Bank and move the wall that is cutting their land.

And then start to talk.

"Palis will think they won the battle" - yeay right, especially the one´s died already. Is it a question of win or loose to you? Doing the right thing is a loss? There are no winners in this conflict – just losers.
 
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