Scores die in Israeli air strikes

[chacha_jalebi]

I guess the reason Israel doesn't stop bombin innocents is different that the reason the Palestinians continue to target innocents with there rockets.

Your right that peace is " a 2 way thing" and "not a one way thing".

So my question is why do you only speak out against one side?

well killin innocents is haraam, if a palestinian did that, then they are wrong, all muslims say that,

and what do palestinians do, throw a stone or summin or even a rocket in the middle of the street and israel "responds" with massive strikes, israel is in the wrong, if it wants peace it shouldnt "retaliate", period!


all i can say is that Allah (Swt) will deal with those who transgress

 

[Wilma_Hum]

well killin innocents is haraam, if a palestinian did that, then they are wrong, all muslims say that,

all i can say is that Allah (Swt) will deal with those who transgress

It is only Muslims that say killing innocents is wrong. Everyone says that killing innocents is wrong. But then use an alternate definition of "Innocent".

The problem is that the killing will never stop until both sides what peace as a prime objective.

 

[Mr. Sandman]

Because the opression from Israel is apparent, while the most hamas have done is either bring a small damage to a building or hit empty ground!

Why does hamas launch them if their so useless?

The Israelis, however, massacered 1000's of woman and children during Lebenons bombardment for capturing 2 Israeli soldiers who crossed the borders of Lebenon.

If Hezbullah had never kidnapped those soldiers, all those people would not have died.

Now they retaliate on the Palistinians for a cease fire treaty they broke.

Wrong, hamas broke it.

and they use Hama's rockets as an excuse to exterminate woman and children for no apparent reasons, since they broke the peace deal to begin with!

Well obviously, it was their rockets that caused this all.

Hamas fires a rocket which makes no more then a hole in a wall, and in turn Israel massacer 300 (and rising) innocent woman and children and injure over 600. If this happened to your country you wouldn't dare ask such a question.

Im pretty sure if you were Israeli you would be angry at Gaza.

 

[Mr. Sandman]

and what do palestinians do, throw a stone or summin or even a rocket in the middle of the street and israel "responds" with massive strikes, israel is in the wrong, if it wants peace it shouldnt "retaliate", period!

Well then what exactly should Israel do? Live in bomb shelters their whole life?

 

[KAding]

The Israeli message to the Gaza population seems clear: elect a party that wants war and you'll get war.

The Israeli message to Hamas seems even clearer: we will smash you if you even dare lift a finger against us.

Sad . The solution seems so obvious, return to 1967 borders. This is something, however, that neither Hamas nor Israeli fundis are willing to accept. And so it goes on and on.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Why does hamas launch them if their so useless?



If Hezbullah had never kidnapped those soldiers, all those people would not have died.



Wrong, hamas broke it.



Well obviously, it was their rockets that caused this all.




I'm pretty sure if you were Israeli you would be angry at Gaza.

Take your ANTI Palestine and PRO Israel views elsewhere!!

America supply weapons to these mass murdering Jews who are killing palestinians.

"WAR ON TERROR"? HA!

THIS IS A WAR ON ISLAM Not just Palestine.

And like i said before The sooner Iran have a nuclear bomb the better! And this time I don't care if i sound controversial!

GO Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

GO IRAN!

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Why does hamas launch them if their so useless?

Unlike the Israeli's, Hamas don't have hi-tech equipment so they deal with what they have.

If Hezbullah had never kidnapped those soldiers, all those people would not have died.

And why did hezbollah kidnap them in the first place?? Don't be so foolish to think that if soldiers from your nabouring country crossed the border the same wouldn't happen to them!

Wrong, hamas broke it.

Well obviously, it was their rockets that caused this all.

Really? Did you hear that in the news or did you hear that from the civilians living in Gaza?

Israel stopped attacking, agreed. Did they lift the blockades which will allow food and all other forms of support which the Palistinians are in need of?? No!

Was it breached by an Israeli raid on the Palistinians? Look it up and your in for a surprise!

Im pretty sure if you were Israeli you would be angry at Gaza.

As I said in my previous post, who needs this cease-fire treaty more, Israel who is backed by political support, weapons and men or an over-croweded Palistine who hardly have any weapons except rocks and stones that they throw at tanks and soldiers?

If I was a sincere Israeli, I would think my government is a over-reactional bloody tyrant!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

No its all about stopping these bast*** Americans/Israelis from TEARING US MUSLIMS APART.

Israel draws Muslims together on its own. Iran is just the PR.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I do recognize that the jews have always had a historic presence in the region, but the persecution of the Palestinians, the right of return, the dispossession, the ignominy of check points, the settlements, all this must be stopped and reversed.

Not sure what you meant there. Do you want Jews to be prevented from returning to Israel or do you want Palestinians to be allowed to return?

 

[Mr. Sandman]

Unlike the Israeli's, Hamas don't have hi-tech equipment so they deal with what they have.

Yet why launch them in the first place if their so useless! and do nothing, as you state. Why not have hamas say, "Israel, this is enough. We're tired of fighting. We want everlasting peace. Let's talk," as Egypt and Jordan did. Guess what? Their not at war with Israel! Negotiating works!

And why did hezbollah kidnap them in the first place?? Don't be so foolish to think that if soldiers from your nabouring country crossed the border the same wouldn't happen to them!

Oh please. Hezbullah crossed the border into Israel and kidnapped the sodeirs. This what happened. Nothing else.

Really? Did you hear that in the news or did you hear that from the civilians living in Gaza?

The news of course.

Israel stopped attacking, agreed. Did they lift the blockades which will allow food and all other forms of support which the Palistinians are in need of?? No!

As stated above, if hamas decided to negotiate with Israel, things would (slowly) get better.

If I was a sincere Israeli, I would think my government is a over-reactional bloody tyrant!

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If I was a sincere Israeli, I would think my government is a over-reactional bloody tyrant!

The election is near and Kadima is increasingly loosing votes to Likud who supports a tougher stance towards Palestinians. Perhaps the wide scale attacks are Kadima's way to gain popularity with the voters. If this is the case, well all I can say... politics...

 

[KAding]

There can be no such concept as international consensus on this when the nations defining the consensus are the ones who have deep and vested interests in the security of israel.

What 'vested interests in the security of Israel' do these countries have according to you? Personally, I don't see what interests those are. The costs of supporting Israel and angering many Muslim countries is obvious, especially considering their strategic importance concerning the supply of fossil fuels. What are the advantages of supporting Israel exactly?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Yet why launch them in the first place if their so useless! and do nothing, as you state. Why not have hamas say, "Israel, this is enough. We're tired of fighting. We want everlasting peace. Let's talk," as Egypt and Jordan did. Guess what? Their not at war with Israel! Negotiating works!

Go ahead and ask them but don't make baseless assumptions for their attacks because you don't know what their reasons are nor why and who they fire at. You won't hear Israel and the news channels tell you that except "they want to spread terror"!

You have secular views so you won't understand they long conflict. The news is filled with a one sided story of Israel, the muslim-jew history goes way back and as history tells us it's the jews who have caused a lot of the problems.

Oh please. Hezbullah crossed the border into Israel and kidnapped the sodeirs. This what happened. Nothing else.

The news of course.

Then you're views are nothing more then biased wishful thinking.

Since your only source is the news don't expect a two-sided story, if that was the case you will know Hamas inside out from their own words and not 10% of Hamas and 90% 'What we (i.e. Un - Israel) think Hamas goals are'.

Open your mind and give a fair judgement. Pour water on a glass that's upside down and see if you can fill the glass with water, it'll never work.

You hear all about Israel blaming the minority Palistinians being 'terrorist groups' and 'attacking israel' and 'breaching cease-fire', and Israel is all innocent and never does anything to ever provoke poor ol' tiny Palistine who barely have weapons, mens or any basic support to live from anywhere in the world!

As stated above, if hamas decided to negotiate with Israel, things would (slowly) get better.

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Talk to the Israeli president, Hamas isn't the problem it's the illegally occupied Israel which legally belongs to Palistine.

Look into history because all of this didn't happen over night.

 

[MKE Brother]

The election is near and Kadima is increasingly loosing votes to Likud who supports a tougher stance towards Palestinians. Perhaps the wide scale attacks are Kadima's way to gain popularity with the voters. If this is the case, well all I can say... politics...

Agreed, the whole thing reeks of politics. What better way to instill a sense of nationalism and power in your party before an election than to start bombing people on false or shaky grounds? It is right out of the Bush/Cheney/Rove playbook.

 

[Mr. Sandman]

Go ahead and ask them but don't make baseless assumptions for their attacks because you don't know what their reasons are nor why and who they fire at. You won't hear Israel and the news channels tell you that except "they want to spread terror"!

You have secular views so you won't understand they long conflict. The news is filled with a one sided story of Israel, the muslim-jew history goes way back and as history tells us it's the jews who have caused a lot of the problems.

Of course I know what their reasons are. They are sick of Israel controlling them and what them the **** out. I once supported them, as well as hezbullah, until I realized using violence is not the way to achieve anything. Whether its by sending suicide bombers into Israel or firing rockets indiscriminately, violence is not the way.

Then you're views are nothing more then biased wishful thinking.

Since your only source is the news don't expect a two-sided story, if that was the case you will know Hamas inside out from their own words and not 10% of Hamas and 90% 'What we (i.e. Un - Israel) think Hamas goals are'.

You hear all about Israel blaming the minority Palistinians being 'terrorist groups' and 'attacking israel' and 'breaching cease-fire', and Israel is all innocent and never does anything to ever provoke poor ol' tiny Palistine who barely have weapons, mens or any basic support from anywhere in the world!

Did I ever say I am against the Palestians? I am against hamas and every other terrorist group that knows nothing but violence.

Talk to the Israeli president, Hamas isn't the problem it's the illegally occupied Israel which legally belongs to Palistine.

Look into history because all of this didn't happen over night.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you look into history and see what non violence can achieve and how violence gets us no where?

 

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[Muhammad]

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['Abd-al Latif]

Of course I know what their reasons are. They are sick of Israel controlling them and what them the **** out. I once supported them, as well as hezbullah, until I realized using violence is not the way to achieve anything. Whether its by sending suicide bombers into Israel or firing rockets indiscriminately, violence is not the way.

Did I ever say I am against the Palestians? I am against hamas and every other terrorist group that knows nothing but violence.

Why don't you look into history and see what non violence can achieve and how violence gets us no where?

And whose fighting for Palistine in Palistine? It's Hamas and no one else!

Hamas is neither a terrorist group nor is it promoting the violence. And nor am I promoting terrorism or violence, but I do support fighting those who fight you, and what's happening to Palistine is oppression with a fake label of justice. Any individual with common sence will agree to the following:

Allah says:

Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

[Surah Al Mumtahinah 60:8-9]

I'm sure if someone attacked you, you will fight back.

Let's go back mid 1940's and see who began this violence.

Oh and did I forget to mention how many people are dieing in Palistine as opposed to Israel?

Death toll for Palistine: 300+ and 600 Injured

Israeli: 1 dead.


Whose using the violence? Palistine or Israel?

Lebenon Death toll of 2006:

estimate 1200 dead and many more injured - mainly woman and children because the armies didn't have a single encounter!

Israel:

156 dead!

Shall we carry on with the statics or do you have something better to say? Who are the blatent terrorists labeled as heros?!

 

[The_Prince]

Egypt should open the border, and keep it open, and allow goods and aid to go through, and allow the injured out.

 

[Woodrow]

Egypt should open the border, and keep it open, and allow goods and aid to go through, and allow the injured out.

Very true Akhi. I get very frustrated over the inaction of some of our own brothers and sisters living in nations that border Palestine, or what was Palestine.