Palestinian Holocaust Continues….

[islamirama]

Would you agree that Hamas has done absolutely nothing to end this conflict?

Don't derail my thread like a typical troll, This thread is about massacre of Palestinians by a terrorist regime. The world, the US, the zionist pigs have done nothing to end this. They want to destroy a legitimate government elected by the palestinains and they are handing out collective punishment to them for electing someone that doesn't kiss the zionist behind like that dog abbas does. This thread is the highlight the suffering of the innocent palestinains by this terrorist barbaric occupying regime and providing aide to the needy. Go discuss your politics in another thread.

 

[Cabdullahi]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051028.html

These are the names of the glorious military victory we achieved there - Jawaher, age 4; Dina, age 8; Sahar, age 12; Ikram, age 14; and Tahrir, age 17, all sisters of the Ba'lousha family, all killed in a "precise" strike on the mosque. Another three sisters, a 2-year-old brother and their parents were injured. Twenty-four neighbors were wounded and five homes and three stores destroyed. This part of the military victory did not open our television or radio news broadcasts yesterday morning, nor did they appear on many Israeli news Web sites.

 

[Fishman]

Israel must stop attacking and settling in Gaza and the west Bank, and the Palestinians must stop bombing Israel if this conflict is ever going to be solved. But they won't simply agree to that, since the Palestinians are irrational bigots and the Israelis are treacherous schemers.

In our day and age, very rarely does war bring peace.

 

[Qingu]

Israel must stop attacking and settling in Gaza and the west Bank, and the Palestinians must stop bombing Israel if this conflict is ever going to be solved. But they won't simply agree to that, since the Palestinians are irrational bigots and the Israelis are treacherous schemers.

In our day and age, very rarely does war bring peace.

Neither does labeling all Palestinians as "bigots" or all Israelis as "schemers."

There are plenty of people on both sides who want real peace. There are plenty of Palestinians who are perfectly willing to work with Israelis and reject Hamas' violence. There are plenty of Israelis (and Americans) who want the Palestinians to have their own country and reject the oppression and disproportional violence of the Israeli government.

 

[Fishman]

Neither does labeling all Palestinians as "bigots" or all Israelis as "schemers."

There are plenty of people on both sides who want real peace. There are plenty of Palestinians who are perfectly willing to work with Israelis and reject Hamas' violence. There are plenty of Israelis (and Americans) who want the Palestinians to have their own country and reject the oppression and disproportional violence of the Israeli government.

I'm just talking about the governments, not the people. But plently of people from both countries haven't impressed me much either...

 

[Qingu]

I'm just talking about the governments, not the people. But plently of people from both countries haven't impressed me much either...

Alright, I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's important to acknowledge that there are at least some good people on both sides.

 

[malayloveislam]

How do you suggest they help the Palestinians exactly?

We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!! No more listening to the US nor the UN, they only are thinking of their own benefits and dragging others into sufferings with their greed. The UN is the tool of Western Arrogant Colonial Tool, just like Old Days. I hate to assume the US as enemy but the reality is they are, we can't live in dream anymore. The OIC and Arab league should not only being negotiators but they should act rather than talking!!!!! I only can see that Libya alone is brave, other countries in Arab league are just mouth-bickering with each other. My country too is actually pro-US. I hate my Government! Allah had said that we can't take non-Muslims as Awliyaa (Friends and Guarantor). Allah is the Only whom we can trust in because He never and will never deceives us.

Stop all kind of business dealing with the US in international level. Start business among Muslim countries, this new President would just be the same as before, they have their policy permanently stripped over their nose. We are in several countries compared to Israel. They are just one. Palestinian should be replaced in other Muslim countries, if Muslim Arab countries refuse to take them, other non-Arab Muslim countries can accept them while their country gaining peace, poor hapless children, old folks, and women, they are bombarded even in the refugee camp. They are innocent!

 

[Qingu]

We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!! No more listening to the US nor the UN, they only are thinking of their own benefits and dragging others into sufferings with their greed. The UN is the tool of Western Arrogant Colonial Tool, just like Old Days. I hate to assume the US as enemy but the reality is they are, we can't live in dream anymore. The OIC and Arab league should not only being negotiators but they should act rather than talking!!!!! I only can see that Libya alone is brave, other countries in Arab league are just mouth-bickering with each other. My country too is actually pro-US. I hate my Government! Allah had said that we can't take non-Muslims as Awliyaa (Friends and Guarantor). Allah is the Only whom we can trust in because He never and will never deceives us.

Stop all kind of business dealing with the US in international level. Start business among Muslim countries, this new President would just be the same as before, they have their policy permanently stripped over their nose. We are in several countries compared to Israel. They are just one. Palestinian should be replaced in other Muslim countries, if Muslim Arab countries refuse to take them, other non-Arab Muslim countries can accept them while their country gaining peace, poor hapless children, old folks, and women, they are bombarded even in the refugee camp. They are innocent!

What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?

 

[Tony]

What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?

Allah is on our side

 

[KAding]

We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!!

I don't understand this. You are outraged about 400 dead Palestinians, so in response you advocate an approach that might well lead to large scale war and massive loss of Muslim life?

 

[islamirama]

Israeli rabbis: Thou shalt kill civilians
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79947&sectionid=351020202


According to this logic this means that Muslims can attack civilians in cities and towns in the United States and Europe that send troops, warplanes, bombs, missiles and military supplies to kill Muslims and destroy their homes in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia.



Why do Christians, Jews and secularists condemn the concept of jihad in Islaam and do not condemn the Jews for the same concept?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Allah is on our side

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

This article illustrates the difference between Israel and Iran.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I just read one of the top leaders of Hamas died.

Along with 7 members of his family.
And they hit a mosque too, though it was supposedly used as a terror hub, according to the Haaretz.
Fortunately it is coming to an end.

 

[Argamemnon]

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)

Not just 60 years, Muslims have been losing wars to the West for hundreds of years now, ever since the decline of the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century. As to God, He never helps people who don't help themselves. Muslims must be doing things wrong, that's why we are suffering. No doubt.

 

[Qingu]

Why do Christians, Jews and secularists condemn the concept of jihad in Islaam and do not condemn the Jews for the same concept?

I condemn it. So does everyone I'm personally close with.

Believe it or not, islamirama, a lot of Americans—not to mention Europeans, and even Israelis—do not support Israel's actions in Palestine. I am against religious extremism and "eye-for-an-eye" morality wherever it occurs.

That said, you left out this part of the article:

"The four added that a warning should be issued prior to any attacks; however, they reiterated that the army's response to rocket or mortar fires may be immediate "even if there is no time for a warning."

The rabbis argued that the army should announce that it would bomb any civilian community from which a rocket is fired to force the local residents into confronting those who fire rockets or mortars at Israeli targets."

I still don't support the rabbis' position, but you are exaggerating how cold-blooded that position is. To my knowledge, Hamas does not issue warnings when they fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian centers.

 

[islamirama]

I condemn it. So does everyone I'm personally close with.

Believe it or not, islamirama, a lot of Americans—not to mention Europeans, and even Israelis—do not support Israel's actions in Palestine. I am against religious extremism and "eye-for-an-eye" morality wherever it occurs.

I'm glad to hear that Qingu, I was also pleased to see worldwide protests against this terrorist regime and it's terrorizing of the Gazans. I believe most people (Muslim or non-Muslim) are good in nature but sadly ignorant of the facts or misinformed and mislead on purpose by their gov'ts and media for their hidden agenda purposes.

 

[The_Prince]

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)

When Allah does finally bring his wrath upon you and his enemies, dont say you didnt know it was comming.

infact what you just said is quite nice, since Allah quotes kaffirs as yourself saying the exact same thing, where is Allah to help the Muslims? he only gives you respite for a time being to increase your own evilness and sin, so your destruction becomes much worst and you have no escape nor excuse.

 

[wth1257]

What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?

I don't encourage war, however actually the last time Israel tangled with Hezbollah in Lebanon there was no clear victor.

 

[islamirama]

Interesting Comments I found on Aljazeera's English channel's website:

link


The corrupt and criminal Israeli leaders have said they aspire to live in peace and not to provoke them into attacking Gaza. Governments which aspire to peace do not (1) use cluster bombs, (2) indiscriminately use missile strikes to kill innocent children, women and men bystanders, (3) carry out preemptive illegal assassinations of suspected opponents (4) illegally abduct, imprison and torture critics (5) blockade and cut electric power to struggling civilians (6) harass and humiliate Palestinians on a daily basis (7) forcibly retake the land and properties from Palestinian owners (7) prevent Palestinians from returning to their own land (8) withhold natural resources and money meant for Palestine (9) violate UN resolutions and humanitarian rights and (10) ignore overwhelming international condemnation. The Israeli government can wisely make amends or continue on its disastrous path and be held responsible for war crimes and forced to pay reparations and relinquish Palestine.
Sunny, Ottawa, Canada

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If we analyse, Hamas itself was created by Israelis due to a manner of brute force. How? Hamas are group of Palestinian people who have seen their family members getting killed by the Zionist terrorists in front of their eyes. Hamas would have never evolved if the Zionists were of peaceful blood. Even the faithful Jews are against the Zionist terrorist regime. The USA govt and the UN are controlled by Zionist Israelis. The US economy is failing due to Wars against innocents being framed for nothing, and due to pumping of billions and trillions of dollars into a country which is good for nothing (Israel). Israel just wants to frame Hamas as terrorist and conquer the whole of Gaza strip.
shiva, hyderabad, India

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allowing aid into ireland is called free trade, into Palestine its called a terror act. Long live Palestine.
eoindavid, dublin, Ireland

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I propose that the UN should decide to form a strong police force aiming to guarantee law and order in Gaza.’ - Pelle, Stockholm, Sweden. Really? How can the UN do this without Israel’s permission and when Israel can bar UN members from entering Israel? On Dec 14 Richard Falk who is a professor of international law and the UN's special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories, was barred entry by Israel. He was leading a UN mission that had intended to visit the West Bank and Gaza to prepare a report on Israel's compliance with human rights standards and international humanitarian law. On Dec 14, in Tel Aviv air port, he was taken to a locked tiny room that smelled of urine and filth. It contained five other detainees and close to claustrophobia. He spent 15 hours so confined, in the miseries of prison life, including dirty sheets, inedible food and lights that were too bright.
Gim, Aden, Yemen

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Alladin, you have been duped and you have to remove the blinker to see the truth. Seth Freedman in his article “Remove The Blinkers and See the Truth” says: “The fact that the Israeli regime has not beheaded me for my dissent is ample proof that all is well in our little corner of the Middle East. Which, of course, it isn't, despite the best efforts of Israel's squadron of cheerleaders to convince the world otherwise. Although I am a relative newcomer to Israel's Mediterranean shores, the amount of exposure I have had during my four-year sojourn in the Holy Land to the daily humiliation and oppression being meted out to the Palestinians is more than most armchair critics will see in a lifetime. I should know – I was one of them myself for my first 24 years on the planet, and am all too aware how easy it is to be duped by second- or third-hand reporting from the front lines, whether through the media or via friends and family giving their skewed take from inside Israel's borders."
Gim, Aden, Yemen

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Aladdin: “The root cause for the ME problem is religion as you know” – No it isn’t. The root cause is political Zionism’s desire to impose “Jewish” ethnic sovereignty over Palestine. In other words their aim being to make a homeland out of Palestine for people from foreign lands whilst disregarding the rights and aspirations of the indigenous population is the problem. The religion of Judaism was co-opted by the mainly secular Zionists to give their enterprise some sort of spurious legitimacy. To answer your Q1: The Zionists of course, who else? And Q2: They will never willingly abandon their enterprise, they will need to be compelled to do it and the US and or an awakening to morality of diaspora “Jews” holds the key to this.
Colin Mitchell, Johannesburg, South Africa