Hindu Extremism Being Ignored

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To be a muslim in india


Whenever India talks about its Muslims, Shahrukh Khan, Aamir Khan or Mohammad Azharduddin are mentioned. This despite the fact that they do not represent a typical Indian Muslim. Still, the few success stories that there are of Muslim bureaucrats, politicians, cricketers and film stars, are projected to the world as Indian secularism in practise. I was able to see things for myself on a recent trip to India.

My interest in exploring the subject of how Muslims fare in India was fuelled by my friends from the fashion industry who visit India on regular basis. And who hold that Muslims don't have a bad deal. If that is true, I thought, why have Pakistan? Why did we fight for a separate country? And why don't we become one again? These were the questions nagging my mind when I set off to celebrate Eid in India. I spent my first few days meeting well-to-do Muslims. From film stars to politicians, most sounded like thoroughly patriotic Indians, once they discovered my origin. I could see why these people were the envy of my friends back home. They were exactly like us, they had the freedom to practise their religion as they saw fit, with the proviso that they had much more freedom and much more fun than we have here in Pakistan. But, I asked myself, are up-market Indian Muslims representative of the majority of Muslims in India? No, they are not, just as we are not representative of our majority here in Pakistan.

Clearly, my friends so enamoured of the liberties Indian Muslims enjoy had never gone past the nightclubs and private parties to meet the dirt poor Muslims of the stinking streets around Delhi's Jama Masjid. I was determined that for me it would be it a true voyage of discovery. First, I went to Jaipur where my rickshaw driver took me to a Muslim locality where my co-religionists had poured in from adjoining areas looking for work. It was here that I heard tale after tale of how Indian Muslims love and cheer Pakistan's cricket team or how Imran Khan and Wasim Akram are bigger heroes for them than Kapil Dev and Tendulkar. I was also told some gory details of how Muslims suffered during and after the Babri Mosque crisis. A few statements were unforgettable. As soon as someone found out that I was from Pakistan, I was told that I had come from the home country: "Aap tau hamaray mulk say aye hain".

An old woman whose two daughters and a grandson had married into Hindu families told me, "You (Pakistanis) don't value freedom. You don't know what a blessing it is to live in Muslim societies. At least when your daughter runs away with a boy you are assured that he would be a Muslim. Here we live in constant fear that Muslim girls and boys will marry outside the faith". Having regaled me with her tale of woe, she proceeded to condemn Hrithik Roshan's marriage to a Muslim girl, Suzanne Khan, and was violently opposed to Salman Khan dating Ashwariya Rai. Here was the first difference between the Muslim elites of India and ordinary folk.

My next stop was Lucknow, where my host and I went to participate in a cultural event. In the middle of that event I was whisked away to see the famous sites of Lucknow. Amongst them were the famous Jamia Masjid, A beautiful Imambara next to it and the palace of Wajid Ali Shah. It was on one of these excursions that I met a local Muslim family who were "frightened" of the "hatred" they felt which was building up in India's underbelly against Muslims. "Why is it that every Indian movie or a music video will always feature a Muslim girl and a Hindu boy? Why can't Muslim men be shown dating Hindu girls?" In the past, one of my interlocuters said, Muslim actors had had to change their names to Hindu ones in order to be successful -- Yusuf Khan became Dilip Kumar, Nasim became Madhubala -- and now he said a director could not risk making a film with a Muslim boy and a Hindu girl as hero and heroine respectively. He gave examples of the films that had worked at the box office: "Bombay", "Fizza" and "Zubaida" -- all with Muslim heroines and Hindu heroes.

I was in Delhi for Eid and went to the famous Jamia Masjid for my prayers. It was so like Karachi, it was uncanny. The men were in their tight fitted pajamas, churidars, whereas the women hid colourful finery beneath black burqas. There were open sales of meat and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's qawwalis were being played at a deafening pitch. This was the Chandni Chowk area with a strong Muslim population. My non-Muslim hosts called it "mini-Pakistan". Most Muslim families I met there had relatives in Pakistan and a few of them even had the Pakistani flag inside their houses. I wonder if any of Pakistan's minorities could fly the flag of a foreign country, especially India, within their homes?

In Chandni Chowk, I was eagerly met and regaled with the things they liked about my country: Omar Sharif's stage plays and Shahid Afridi thrashing the Indian bowling attack. The serious talk began when I was told about police brutalities upon Muslims during search operations. I was shown scars of wounds on a few young men arrested they said, "for betting on the Pakistan cricket team". Next I visited some Muslim homes which had been burnt down during the Ayodhya crisis. The police had stood by when mobs attacked, they said.

On my last night in India, I decided that I would not go out but sit back and think about all that I had seen. The Muslim elite is protected and pampered as are elites here in Pakistan. They live mostly in the big cities, I could not see that there were any significant number of Muslim landed elites. This, I suppose, is because India implemented a thorough land reform, unlike Pakistan. So those Muslims that have made it good in India have done so my dint of their own hard work. They have been able to rise through the ranks and credit for that must go to the system of education that was available to them.

The Muslims that stayed aloof from the mainstream have become steadily more disenfranchised, steadily more powerless, and poorer. Are they themselves to be blamed for their pitiable state? Or is the Indian state to blame? It is a bit of both. A feeling of discrimination exists amongst a majority of Indian Muslims and the state has not been able to foster confidence in its policies. Equally, Indian Muslims hanker after a glorious past but are not prepared to change their ways to alter their abysmal present. Muslim icons Shabana Azmi and Dilip Kumar advocate that all Muslims educate their children, and plan their families. But their voices don't go far and the underprivileged Muslims of India continue to wallow in poverty, much like the Muslims of Pakistan.

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We Muslims give them money for these atrocities by spending on indian movies and merchandise. Worldwide Musilms should be banning these Indian unislamic & antislamic products.
 
And sadly we have some indian muslims on this forum who in their brainwashed mentality defend there HINDUstan and parrot shamelessly the same lines their hindu masters preach in their hindu bollywood movies.

More sadly we have some so-called muslims on this forum who shamelessly defend a Nation who is responsible for devastating a whole muslim nation.
 
I hope this crappy thread gets closed soon (before the autopsy of east and west Pakistan is carried out) and indira's dreams --of annihilating whole of Pakistan (with help of traitors from within Pakistan) only partially succeeding-- are exposed. may she long be roasted along with yayah khan, bhuto and Mojib!
 
I hope this crappy thread gets closed soon (before the autopsy of east and west Pakistan is carried out) and indira's dreams --of annihilating whole of Pakistan (with help of traitors from within Pakistan) only partially succeeding-- are exposed. may she long be roasted along with yayah khan, bhuto and Mojib!

Brother I was talking about Afganistan and not east or west Pakistan this time. But U can well continue cursing Indra or anyone else. Will ALLAH listen?
 
Brother I was talking about Afganistan and not east or west Pakistan this time.
Thank you for clearing that up, each time I am reminded of that calamity of 70s I become ill and a bit emotional

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But U can well continue cursing Indra or anyone else. Will ALLAH listen?
On Dec 18, 1971, after having midwifed the birth of Bangladesh Indira Gandhi triumphantly yelled: "We have avenged 1,000 years of history." Since you clearly lack sympathy for plight of Muslims under her rule, do you think that she will not be answerable for en masse sterilization of Indians which included lower caste Hindus too? and what about mass murders of Khalisa?
 
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On Dec 18, 1971, after having midwifed the birth of Bangladesh Indira Gandhi triumphantly yelled: "We have avenged 1,000 years of history." Since you clearly lack sympathy for plight of Muslims under her rule, do you think that she will not be answerable for en masse sterilization of Indians which included lower caste Hindus too? and what about mass murders of Khalisa?

Brother what do U mean by plight of muslims under her rule? What wrong she did to muslims while in office? And sterlization did happened and she paid the price for that in 1977 general elections. How ALLAH is going to judge her is not my task to predict. About mass murdur of sikhs(Khalisa as u wrote) it happened right after her assasination, so she cant be held guilty for that act of violence. But that massacre will remain as a blot on India's face just like Gujrat massacre.

See brother, I dont belong to the schood of thought which preaches hatred. Be it for muslims or any other community or sect. U can see right here on this thread that a brother is busy in promoting sense of hatred for hindus by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of hindus. In fact he is cut from the same cloth of Bajrang Dal, RSS, VHP, BJP mentality. They spread hatred against muslims by quoting misdeeds of some muslims, and they have their first cousins in muslim community who do exactly same things like them against hindus. So their slogan is very much the same. U ARE BAD COZ U ARE A MUSLIM/HINDU.

These so called muslims turn a blind eye when millions of muslims are massacred in Darfur, but when they hear news of some muslims being killed by non-muslims only their tear glands gets activated. Dont U feel that they will be answerable for their pathetic behaviour? and for spreading hatred in the name of Islam, which is itself the religion of peace and love?

Brother history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims. Its time that U guys realize that enemy of Islam and muslims are from amongst U ppls only. A word for the wise is enough.
 
Brother what do U mean by plight of muslims under her rule? What wrong she did to muslims while in office? And sterlization did happened and she paid the price for that in 1977 general elections. How ALLAH is going to judge her is not my task to predict. About mass murder of Sikhs(Khalisa as u wrote) it happened right after her assasination, so she cant be held guilty for that act of violence. But that massacre will remain as a blot on India's face just like Gujrat massacre.
east Pakistan; In my original post, I mentioned roasting of 1 hindu indira & 3 "Muslim" traitors
See brother, I don't belong to the school of thought which preaches hatred. Be it for Muslims or any other community or sect.
So says you
by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of Hindus.
again so says you but in reality, mere shadow of a muslim can make a hindu home unclean and it does not become pure again until after it has been scrubbed clean with cow excreta, in other words we are regared dirtier than cow crap
U can see right here on this thread that a brother is busy in promoting sense of hatred for hindus by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of Hindus. In fact he is cut from the same cloth of Bajrang Dal, RSS, VHP, BJP mentality. They spread hatred against Muslims by quoting misdeeds of some Muslims, and they have their first cousins in Muslim community who do exactly same things like them against Hindus. So their slogan is very much the same. U ARE BAD COZ U ARE A MUSLIM/HINDU.
I could not agree more, I've been trying to get him removed for years, You should have seen what he posted in this thread yesterday, He enjoys hatred, when we had a chance of survival with Musharraf in-charge, this fellow was preaching terrorism against us in Pakistan, now when America has installed their own man in Pakistan, Islamirama has turned towards India (which I have no kind of love for but I did have a desire for vengeance in form of a strong Pakistan that India will never again try to turn back into united Hindustan).

Regarding mass murders of Sikhs being outside her responsibility due to her having been sent to her reward in hades, prior to the killings, what was the catalyst for that? pray tell what caused her bodyguard to turn on her?
These so called muslims turn a blind eye when millions of Muslims are massacred in Darfur, but when they hear news of some muslims being killed by non-muslims only their tear glands gets activated. Dont U feel that they will be answerable for their pathetic behaviour? and for spreading hatred in the name of Islam, which is itself the religion of peace and love?

Brother history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims. Its time that U guys realize that enemy of Islam and muslims are from amongst U ppls only. A word for the wise is enough.
I will comment on this later after having consulted with a site admin
Ya brother, assisting Americans in devastating Afghanistan is indeed not nice on part of Pakistan, the only country formed in the name of Islam.
and please don't get me started on that or darfur, or I will get in to bother with mods. However you can look up some of my old posts to see what I think of and know about Afghan Muslims, who, for a long time had India and Iran as their masters until the Soviets arrived
 
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history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims

I find that hard to believe, sources?
and Pakistan being formed on 'religion alone' makes it a very fragile state. what's done is done though..
 
which I have no kind of love for but I did have a desire for vengeance in form of a strong Pakistan that India will never again try to turn back into united Hindustan).

Where U got the idea of United Hindustan from? And what is the relevance of word Again in ur quote?

Regarding mass murders of Sikhs being outside her responsibility due to her having been sent to her reward prior to the killings, what was the catalyst for that? pray tell what caused her bodyguard to turn on her?

If u feel that responsibility was her's than I wont argue more. ALLAH hu Alim I would say. And idea of terrorism caused her bodyguard kill her I feel. U are free to disagree.


and please dont get me start on that or darfur, or I will get in to bother with mods. However you can look up some of my old posts to see what I think of and know about Afghan Muslims

Okay sir.
 
I find that hard to believe, sources?
and Pakistan being formed on 'religion alone' makes it a very fragile state. what's done is done though..


Brother plz get informed how many muslims did Saddam killed, about eight-years-long Iran Iraq war, East Pakistan massacre, And to end with Darfur conflict. U wont have to ask for any source to believe that Muslims have killed more muslims than non-muslims.
 
Brother plz get informed how many muslims did Saddam killed, about eight-years-long Iran Iraq war, East Pakistan massacre, And to end with Darfur conflict. U wont have to ask for any source to believe that Muslims have killed more muslims than non-muslims.
No.

Post a source or stop making accusations.

This is an entirely different topic altogether. If you wish to discuss how many people Muslims have killed in the history of time, do so in another thread.

And post a source.
 
No.

Post a source or stop making accusations.

This is an entirely different topic altogether. If you wish to discuss how many people Muslims have killed in the history of time, do so in another thread.

And post a source.


This is not different topic brother, but the extention of topic being discuessed here. It suggests that accusing hindus of being muslim killers is not justified at all. The topic in question paint all hindus as killers and hence suggests that they should be hated. I just want to emphasize that killing is human nature. All humans have shaitan in themselves irrespective of their religion. So accusing any one community of killing and sparing the other is just like falling in shaitan's trap, and being a hypocrite.

But ur orders here are supreme. I cant bypass it. So I will leave this thread NOW. Start a new thread, and will try to post SOURCES INSHALLAH.
 

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